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Gun Owners' Next Victory in D.C.
Washington Post ^ | 1 Sept,2009 | Robert A. Levy

Posted on 09/02/2009 5:05:52 AM PDT by marktwain

The Supreme Court, in District of Columbia v. Heller, declared that Washington’s 32-year ban on all functional firearms violated the Second Amendment. Justice Antonin Scalia’s majority opinion, however, applied only to possession of guns in the home. The court did not address, and was not asked to address, firearms carried outside the home. That’s the issue posed in a new lawsuit against the District by Tom Palmer (disclosure: my colleague at the Cato Institute) and four other plaintiffs — represented by Alan Gura, the lawyer who successfully argued Heller before the court.

After Heller, the District relaxed its ban on residents seeking “to register a pistol for use in self-defense within that person’s home.” But D.C. law still states that “[n]o person shall carry within the District of Columbia either openly or concealed on or about their person, a pistol, without a license.” Currently, the city affords no process by which to issue such a license. A first violation of the carry ban is punishable by a fine of up to $5,000 and imprisonment for up to five years.

Does the Constitution mandate that the nation’s capital allow firearms to be carried outside the home? The right to bear arms, the court said in Heller, is an “individual right unconnected to militia service.” To “bear” means to “carry.” More specifically, when used with “arms,” the opinion said, “bear” means “carrying for a particular purpose — confrontation.” Nothing in that formulation implies a right that can be exercised only within one’s home.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; dc; heller; supremecourt
Printed in the Washington Post. Wings on Pigs?
1 posted on 09/02/2009 5:05:52 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The swine seem to be in taxi position at the end of the tarmac.


2 posted on 09/02/2009 5:09:18 AM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: marktwain

I saw this the other day in an email. I’m not sure I trust Gura on this. He threw Class III under the bus in Heller. If it does get to the SC, I hope they’re able to make the argument that laws on the books about CCW permits are meaningless if the states refuse to issue the permits. New Jersey is a good example of this. Technically, you can have a carry permit there, but you’ll never get one.


3 posted on 09/02/2009 5:24:52 AM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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To: sig226

I’m not sure I trust Gura on this. He threw Class III under the bus in Heller.


You misunderstand the appellate process. Admissions by counsel about issues not on the table have no precedential effect.

One brick at a time...


4 posted on 09/02/2009 7:01:38 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Socialism: The sin of envy, masquerading as a political movement.)
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To: sig226

And could make it an equal protection issue also. Who is most affected by the lack of permits? The majority black population of the District of Columbia. But shall not be infringed is the much better language to cite.


5 posted on 09/02/2009 7:03:03 AM PDT by bIlluminati (The kingdom of heaven is among us.)
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To: Beelzebubba
One brick at a time...

Exactly. They were taken incrementally, they will be restored incrementally. One specific criteria case at a time.

6 posted on 09/02/2009 7:05:27 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: marktwain

I guess what gets me the most about this is that it took 32 years to give them a smack on the tooshy, and a time out in the corner...

And still, you cannot have a “functioning” firearm in your home in D.C.


7 posted on 09/02/2009 8:32:41 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: sig226

Indeed. Any right that you have to go, hat in hand, to the laird to ask permission to exercise is no right. It is a privilege granted to those serfs that the laird trusts. Not the ones who need it most.


8 posted on 09/02/2009 9:15:22 AM PDT by magslinger (Inside every father is a Bryan Mills waiting to get out.)
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To: stevie_d_64

Whadayamean? the “safe storage” requirement was struck down as well IIRC.


9 posted on 09/02/2009 12:01:08 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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To: ctdonath2

Not sure, all I really understand is that there is One guy in all of D.C. that has been given permission to ask to keep a gun in his home in the district...Other than that, everyone else who would like to is still screwed...

No one else I have heard of has even asked the authorities to do so...

But then again, I feel I may be embelishing somewhat...I’m just glad I don’t live there...


10 posted on 09/02/2009 1:00:39 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: stevie_d_64

Every single gun group from the NRA to the Second Amendment Sisters asked the Supreme Court for a broad view so we wouldn’t have to have 20,000 lawsuits to defeat 20,000 gun laws EXCEPT ONE.

Guess the gun group.


11 posted on 09/02/2009 1:52:59 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: marktwain

12 posted on 09/02/2009 2:11:54 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: bIlluminati

An illuminating, and hilarious point. I wonder if the Buffalo Soldiers have a D.C. chapter. The notion that the long legged mac-daddy might have to defend a bigotry case in D.C., based on years of precedent and ample historic facts, is too delicious to contemplate. :)


13 posted on 09/02/2009 3:47:24 PM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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To: Beelzebubba

I understand it very well. Dicta has a nasty way of emanating from the penumbra.


14 posted on 09/02/2009 4:08:46 PM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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To: marktwain
I am nervous about this.

We are always one USSC case away from loosing everything. Better to keep the 2nd amendment cases local.

15 posted on 09/02/2009 5:20:17 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Better to keep the 2nd amendment cases local.

If the Second Amendment is in trouble anywhere, then it is in trouble everywhere, IMHO.

16 posted on 09/02/2009 7:55:34 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

But when you loose at the Supreme Court level, you loose every where and everything.

It is an all or nothing gamble with a body that thinks it is king.


17 posted on 09/03/2009 4:20:55 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

But the question posted to the SCOTUS was designed to NOT allow a broad opinion to be returned...

I was not very happy with the technicalities of the question or process anyway...So when it all got processed, I was not surprised by the outcome...

Oh, the way the question was presented, might very well have gone against us easier than some would have thought...

Roberts was not a lock in our favor at the time, which obviously would have been a disaster for the correct interpretation of the issue...Remember who it was that wrote the majority opinion???

We got lucky with this one, yet nothing really has happened has it???

I figured we’d be lucky to get a “individual right” opinion from them, yet, nothing tangible would be implemented to make the kinds of changes everyone thought would occur if it all went in our favor...


18 posted on 09/03/2009 5:06:32 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: redgolum

But you do realize, that at the end of the day you still have your guns, right???

Everyone needs to understand this reality...

I’m not saying it is not disturbing that challenges are made against our moral and unalienable right to keep and bear arms is under attack...

Physical reality (our continued possesion) trumps someone elses desires, and words on a piece of paper anyday...

Just my opinion...


19 posted on 09/03/2009 5:14:50 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: stevie_d_64

Another recent thread observes that 550 DC residents have done so.


20 posted on 09/03/2009 6:17:41 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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To: stevie_d_64
But it still remains out of all the gun groups, state associations and Rights groups only one asked for the narrow view. The goa.

The other realization the haters don't get is when the NRA tried to halt this process, we would have lost. Roberts and Alito were not on the Supreme Court when Parker was first scheduled.

21 posted on 09/03/2009 6:24:06 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: stevie_d_64

Good point, but how many people do you honestly think will start shooting if the order is made to turn in their guns?

History has shown, not many do. Most turn them in, a few hide them. Few if any start shooting. And if they do, the state forces quickly kill them.

And yes, I believe that most cops and a good portion of the military would just follow orders.


22 posted on 09/03/2009 5:44:22 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

I have a few cash for clunkers I keep around for just such a contingency...

We will never mount a collective resistance, it will be a bunch of Henry Bowmans who went Galt on us...

hehehe


23 posted on 09/04/2009 5:24:57 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: marktwain

The Post also called for Charlie the tax cheat to step down. I suspect we’ve found a newsroom with backbone...


24 posted on 09/04/2009 5:49:50 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." - - Adam Smith)
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