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NASA sat snaps LA wildfire ( Station Fire Just North of Los Angeles)
The Register ^ | 2nd September 2009 09:45 GMT | Lester Haines

Posted on 09/02/2009 9:15:35 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

NASA's Terra satellite has captured a dramatic image of the Los Angeles "Station Fire" wildfire. It is one of at least seven conflagrations currently affecting California, which by yesterday had reportedly laid waste to over 133,000 acres and consumed 80 buildings.

NASA's Terra images of the California fires

NASA explains: "The area covered by the image is 245 kilometers (152 miles) wide. Several pyrocumulus clouds, created by the Station Fire, are visible above the smoke plumes rising from the San Gabriel Mountains north of Los Angeles in the left-center of the image.

"Smoke from the Station Fire is seen covering the interior valleys along the south side of the San Gabriel Mountains, along with parts of the City of Los Angeles and Orange County, and can be seen drifting for hundreds of kilometers to the east over the Mojave Desert."

The Station Fire is described as "the most intense wildfire" the authorities have faced in a decade. It alone has already accounted for 120,000 acres and 70 buildings and continues to menace the hills along the northern edge of Los Angeles. Firefighters say it could take up to two weeks to completely control the blaze. ®


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: socal; wildfires

1 posted on 09/02/2009 9:15:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Sparkles

PING


2 posted on 09/02/2009 9:17:45 AM PDT by tazman3
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To: NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Justaham; BurbankKarl; La Enchiladita; ...

fyi


3 posted on 09/02/2009 9:17:54 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Wow! Thanks for posting that.


4 posted on 09/02/2009 9:18:19 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Jump You F**kers!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Damn. those fires are puffing out some crud..


5 posted on 09/02/2009 9:18:32 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

For some reason, the smoke from the fire looks like a skull and cross bones. /random


6 posted on 09/02/2009 9:20:05 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

beautiful day, no smog, cannot see any homes - and people say we impact the planet.


7 posted on 09/02/2009 9:21:19 AM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The air seems better this morning,,,was a bit of a breeze off the ocean last night.

Nasa page:

Featured Image

And detail:

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This image was acquired mid-morning on Aug. 30 by the backward (northward)-viewing camera of the Multi-angle Imaging SpectroRadiometer (MISR) instrument on NASA's Terra satellite.

8 posted on 09/02/2009 9:24:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

People say this is “close” to LA, but how close is it really....fringes of the northern suburbs are probably 50 miles from the city center?


9 posted on 09/02/2009 9:24:27 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I wonder if it is going to burn all the way to the 215.


10 posted on 09/02/2009 9:24:35 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: NormsRevenge

Damn. those fires are puffing out some crud..””

Yeah- and only last week, the enviro nuts wanted “romantic candle light dinners” banned because they create too much global warming.


11 posted on 09/02/2009 9:24:56 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: edcoil
Another article from the Register:

Boffins: Give up on CO2 cuts, only geoengineering can work

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Ordinary eco-efforts a foolish distraction

By Lewis Page •, 2nd September 2009 11:28 GMT

Top British climate boffins have said that the only practical hope for arresting global warming is the use of "geoengineering" - techniques intended to reduce the effects of CO2 emissions, as opposed to reducing the CO2 emissions themselves.

The scientists add that not only are large emissions cuts politically and diplomatically unfeasible, but that geoengineering would actually be cheaper and easier.

12 posted on 09/02/2009 9:28:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bookmark


13 posted on 09/02/2009 9:29:37 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: rwfromkansas

Well , out here some say Palm Springs is close to Los Angeles...but it can be several hours driving time to Santa Monica on the ocean Beach.


14 posted on 09/02/2009 9:30:48 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: FReepaholic
I haven't looked thru this but here is a link to NASA:

U.S. Fire and Smoke Image Gallery

15 posted on 09/02/2009 9:34:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: BenLurkin; NormsRevenge
Another good image...not sure when:


16 posted on 09/02/2009 9:36:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Well there’s your problem. The whole place is brown for miles around, (no, I don’t mean Mexicans).

Where I live, it’s green. Green stuff doesn’t burn like that.


17 posted on 09/02/2009 9:36:53 AM PDT by brownsfan (The public schools and the SRM, they are killing us.)
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To: All
Caption with image at #16:

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Fires in Los Angeles County

On the night of August 30-31, 2009, the Station Fire north of the city of Los Angeles spread in three directions and doubled in size, according to the Los Angeles Times. Two fire fighters had been killed and at least at least 18 homes in Tujunga Canyon had burned as of the morning of August 31. According to the Incident Information System, the Station Fire covered 85,760 acres as of the morning of August 31, 2009.

The Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA’s Terra satellite captured this true-color image around 11:45 a.m. local time (18:45 UTC) on August 30, 2009. Red outlines indicate hotspots of anomalously high surface temperatures associated with wildfires. In this image, the hotspots remain west of Mt. Wilson. The site of critical communication centers, Mt. Wilson had not burned but was threatened by the fire as of August 31, according to the Los Angeles Times. Smoke from the fire blows toward the northeast in this image. Clouds, perhaps mixed with some smoke, linger over Los Angeles.

NASA image by Jeff Schmaltz, MODIS Rapid Response Team, Goddard Space Flight Center. The Rapid Response Team provides daily images of this area. Caption by Michon Scott.

18 posted on 09/02/2009 9:39:18 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Looks like a westcoast version of Woodstock.


19 posted on 09/02/2009 9:39:24 AM PDT by seawolf101
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To: brownsfan
That's why we call it the arid Western United States....
20 posted on 09/02/2009 9:43:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Rove! - you magnificent bastard!

Why hasn’t Obama done something!!!!! This is a natural disaster far worse than Katrina and OBAMA IS ON VACATION!!!!!!!! - He wants to KILL US ALL!!!
/


21 posted on 09/02/2009 9:47:09 AM PDT by atc23
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To: All
Another image:

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Fires in Los Angeles County 3

Wildfires raged in Los Angeles County on August 29, 2009. The Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA’s Terra satellite captured this true-color image around 11:00 a.m. local time (18:00 UTC) the same day. The red outline is a hotspot where MODIS has detected unusually warm surface temperatures consistent with wildfires. Smoke blows north from the hotspot. Acquired near the edge of the satellite swath, this image appears slightly blurrier than would an image acquired by a satellite directly overhead.

According to an August 29 report from California’s Department of Forestry and Fire Protection, three fires burned in Los Angeles County that day. Near the city of Los Angeles, the Station fire was 0 percent contained, affected 5,000 acres, and threatened 1,800 residences. East of that wildfire was the Morris fire, which was 85 percent contained, affected 2,168 acres, and threatened 15 residences.

Another fire, the PV fire, occurred along the coastline (not shown in this image). Affecting 230 acres and damaging 5 residences, that fire was 90 percent contained at the time of the bulletin.

NASA image courtesy MODIS Rapid Response Team, Goddard Space Flight Center. The Rapid Response Team provides daily images of this area. Caption by Michon Scott.

22 posted on 09/02/2009 9:48:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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Big Image:

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Fires in Los Angeles County 2 Wildfires burned north of the city of Los Angeles County on August 29, 2009. The Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA’s Aqua satellite captured this true-color image around 2:20 p.m. local time (21:20 UTC) the same day. Red outlines show hotspots where MODIS detected high surface temperatures associated with fires, and the hotspots roughly correspond with fires described by California’s Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. A department bulletin, issued August 30, 2009, stated that the Station fire was 5 percent contained, affected 35,200 acres, had destroyed 3 residences, and threatened 10,000 more. As of August 30, the Morris fire, affecting 2,168 acres, was 95 percent contained. Smoke from both fires blows northward from the flames, away from the metropolis of Los Angeles, and east of the deep green agricultural fields of California’s Central Valley.

NASA image by Jeff Schmaltz, MODIS Rapid Response Team, Goddard Space Flight Center. The Rapid Response Team provides daily images of this area. Caption by Michon Scott.

23 posted on 09/02/2009 9:55:27 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: FReepaholic; rwfromkansas; BenLurkin; GOP Poet
See the Updates...and why this are would be considered as close to Los Angeles.

It is a vast area in the large image.

24 posted on 09/02/2009 9:57:31 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: stylecouncilor; windcliff

I see you, ping


25 posted on 09/02/2009 10:27:49 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Oh my that is quite a photo!
Thanks!


26 posted on 09/02/2009 10:58:55 AM PDT by pollywog (staying...... " Under His Wings" Psalm 91:4)
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To: rwfromkansas

From Civic Center to where the fire originated was 13 miles!~


27 posted on 09/02/2009 11:04:14 AM PDT by pollywog (staying...... " Under His Wings" Psalm 91:4)
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To: pollywog

Wow. That actually is close....scary.


28 posted on 09/02/2009 11:30:33 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: All
New thread:

Official: LA-Area Fire Human-Caused ("Station Fire")

29 posted on 09/02/2009 2:22:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: rwfromkansas

The fire is about 10 miles from the Rose Bowl in Pasadena so maybe 30 niles from downtown LA


30 posted on 09/02/2009 2:25:13 PM PDT by newbie 10-21-00
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To: newbie 10-21-00

Here’s a time-lapse video that really shows how big the fire is.

http://www.brandonriza.com/Video/HTML/ZeroPercentContained.html


31 posted on 09/02/2009 5:39:49 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: MediaMole
Great video....

The weather channel had some interesting photos of unusual cloud formations over the fire.....but I am not finding them on their website.

Was looking here:

iWitness Weather Photos Photo Gallery

32 posted on 09/02/2009 8:49:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Here's my own amateur investigation based on the MODIS images. I used Google Maps to locate Mount Wilson, and made a screen shot. Using MS Paint, I copied the pixel coordinates of Mt. Wilson and three other geographically prominent reference points which formed a wide triangle around it. I then copied the MODIS images into MS Paint, and using a quicky projective transform program in Cygwin, I entered the pixel coordinates of the reference points for the MODIS image and obtained the pixel coordinates of Mount Wilson. This transformation accounts for skewing of the image as well as translation and rotation, so it's pretty good. I hope you appreciate it because I'm very proud of it ;-)

In the montage below, 8/28/09 is missing because clouds partially obscured the scene. It was subjectively similar to the 8/27/09 image.

The amazing thing is that there was a whole separate fire to the southeast of Mt. Wilson on 8/26/09, which was evidently extinguished very quickly. To me, it looks like the one which had its image from the LA area widely distributed. Anyway, it makes for a confusing time line, and raises a lot of questions, in my mind.

Also to me, it looks like the crisis passed on 8/31/09.


33 posted on 09/02/2009 8:58:06 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew; SierraWasp

Good work...

I have no idea how you did that...

But I can see them with my Linux Mint system.


34 posted on 09/02/2009 11:01:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: dr_lew
For whatever reason the Media continues to hype the Mt Wilson story....LA Times:

Firefighters wage 5-day battle to save Mt. Wilson Observatory

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In a mile-high duel, driven firefighters are determined to keep flames from the historic facility.

By Paul Pringle and Louis Sahagun

September 3, 2009

It was near midnight Monday, and Larry Peabody looked toward a leading flank of the giant Station fire as it advanced over a ridge in the Angeles National Forest, marching toward the Mt. Wilson Observatory.

"We can't stop the head of the fire," said Peabody, a fuels battalion chief for the U.S. Forest Service, as he stood in the darkness on the bottom of Mt. Wilson Road, a narrow switchback off the Angeles Crest Highway that is the only paved road into and out of the peak-hugging observatory compound.

The battle for Mt. Wilson was fully engaged.

To one side of the firefighters were multiplying ranks of snarling flames that already had turned miles of centuries-old trees to charcoal. To the other side were a hundred years of astronomical history and hundreds of millions of dollars in communications towers, treasures to the city below.

35 posted on 09/02/2009 11:08:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: dr_lew
Interactive Map here:

Los Angeles fire map: Mt. Wilson, Tujunga, Acton, Altadena, Pasadena, Sierra Madre

Says the danger has passed for Mt Wilson....

36 posted on 09/02/2009 11:14:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: dr_lew
The amazing thing is that there was a whole separate fire to the southeast of Mt. Wilson on 8/26/09, which was evidently extinguished very quickly.

That might have been the Morris fire...it is shown on the Fire map ...see just above.

37 posted on 09/02/2009 11:16:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All

Nite!


38 posted on 09/02/2009 11:24:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
For whatever reason the Media continues to hype the Mt Wilson story

It seems as though the fire lingered on the north side of the mountain, and threatened to burn back up the north slope. Today's image ( 09/02/09 ) shows that there's very little wind, and my projective algorithm locates Mt. Wilson right in a hot spot! Maybe this is due to the backfires they set, assuming my placement is correct. The latest says that they did fend off the fire.

The way I comprehend the news is that it is based on official bulletins. These placed Mt. Wilson in jeopardy, and they never issued an "all clear", so the media just stuck with the jeopardy angle, and ignored the actual dynamics of the fire. Anyway, I'm just glad the observatory does seem to have survived.


39 posted on 09/02/2009 11:34:31 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thank you nice pic


40 posted on 09/02/2009 11:41:28 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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