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Official: LA-Area Fire Human-Caused ("Station Fire")
upi.com ^ | Sept. 2, 2009 | staff

Posted on 09/02/2009 1:22:11 PM PDT by kellynla

The monster Station Fire burning north of Los Angeles was human-caused, a U.S. Forest Service official said Wednesday.

Meanwhile, fire crews prepared for potential setbacks because of returning drier conditions, MSNBC.com reported.

Investigators don't know specifically how the Station Fire was started but have enough information to determine it was caused by a person, the Forest Service's deputy incident commander Carlton Joseph said during a news conference. Investigators were determining whether the fire was accidental or arson and identified the point of origin as mile marker 29 on Angeles Crest Highway.

Firefighters caught a weather break Tuesday when moister, cooler conditions moved into the area.

"Now we're going to have drier conditions, so fire activity is going to pick up quite a bit," Los Angeles County Fire Capt. Mark Whaling said Wednesday. "It's still a very dynamic fire even though it looks calm right now."

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger visited the fire area Wednesday, dishing up breakfast for firefighters and giving them protein so "they get all pumped up for the next fight out there with those fires."

Since erupting Aug. 26, the Angeles National Forest blaze has burned through nearly 219 square miles, destroyed more than five dozen structures, killed two firefighters and forced thousands of people from their homes.

Officials also expressed concern about the fire's threat to the Mount Wilson observatory and communications complex, the Los Angeles Times said.

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: arson; california; crime; fire; fires; losangeles; station; stationfire; wildfires

1 posted on 09/02/2009 1:22:12 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

ping


2 posted on 09/02/2009 1:22:43 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Well - let me be the first:

If this was a year ago, then we would be hearing “Bush’s Fault!”

But since the 0bamaMessiah is in office, we now can hear “it STILL must be Bush’s fault”.

Now I’m going to go puke.


3 posted on 09/02/2009 1:23:35 PM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: kellynla

I have always wondered how they can figure out how a fire started? What different sign is there from say spontaneous combustion, a lightning bolt, or a hot tail pipe?


4 posted on 09/02/2009 1:28:53 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: TheBattman

It’s actually Brush’s Fault, not Bush’s ;-)


5 posted on 09/02/2009 1:29:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: LukeL

They rely on when and where it is reported initially,, areas that are most suspect will be examined closely for telltale signs or evidence,, fire&forest forensic scientists.. could have just been a rock off of a mower blade ,, they’re pretty good at it. they get a lot of practice lately.


6 posted on 09/02/2009 1:32:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: kellynla

7 posted on 09/02/2009 2:08:21 PM PDT by KarinG1 (You're just jealous because the voices don't talk to you.)
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To: NormsRevenge; LukeL

I watch a couple of USFS Rangers down on their hands and knees on the side of a Freeway until they found a white ash remains of cigarette. The another fire they found a paper match folder set up to ignite when a match stuck in the side lite the rest. All that was left was ash but is was enough. Since the “Station Fire” was right up the road from
a USFS Fire Station the first crew there had a pretty good idea where the source started. A series of 4th of July sparklers thrown from a PU Truck started a half mile long string of fire. They found all 12 of the sparklers.


8 posted on 09/02/2009 2:10:29 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: LukeL; NormsRevenge

I didn’t mean to say that the “Station Fire” was started by sparklers. I was trying to show another case of arson fire
where alot of work found the sources.


9 posted on 09/02/2009 2:16:27 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: kellynla
Thanks...will cross link with this thread I posted....:

NASA sat snaps LA wildfire ( Station Fire Just North of Los Angeles)

10 posted on 09/02/2009 2:21:12 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: kellynla; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Justaham; BurbankKarl; La Enchiladita; ...

Disgusting ping.


11 posted on 09/02/2009 2:25:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ernest, I was wondering if and when we would hear of a cause, as I didn’t recall hearing that info. I gather they still haven’t determined whether accidental or deliberate.


12 posted on 09/02/2009 3:12:20 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (My faith consoles me. St Therese, the Little Flower of Jesus, pray for us.)
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To: kellynla

I actually heard this days ago.
More specifics about this was that the fire was started not far from where there was a rest stop area for cars to stop.

The thing they have NOT been able to tell yet is whether it was an accident or something as sinister as terrorist.


13 posted on 09/03/2009 10:21:18 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
It was reported on KCAL 5 this a.m. that the source who claimed the fire was “humanly” started has backed off the claim and the investigation continues.

Bottom line. “if” the Feds had allowed us to cut the forestry back over the years we might have saved the lives of two Firefighters, almost 100 homes and who knows how many millions of dollars to fight the fires.

14 posted on 09/03/2009 10:49:53 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
It was reported on KCAL 5 this a.m. that the source who claimed the fire was “humanly” started has backed off the claim and the investigation continues.

Hah! Whatever the cause is, officials are very tight-lipped about it!!

15 posted on 09/03/2009 11:37:31 AM PDT by La Enchiladita (My faith consoles me. St Therese, the Little Flower of Jesus, pray for us.)
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To: La Enchiladita
"Whatever the cause is, officials are very tight-lipped about it!!" yep...

I am just very upset that the majority of the damage to life(my grandfather was a Fire Captain) & property that these fires have caused over the years could have been prevented “if” the gov’t had allowed us to “clearcut” the forestry.

“stupid is as stupid does.”

16 posted on 09/03/2009 11:47:17 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Bottom line. “if” the Feds had allowed us to cut the forestry back over the years we might have saved the lives of two Firefighters, almost 100 homes and who knows how many millions of dollars to fight the fires.

It's not forest, it's scrub. There's no economic value to it and thinning it over the hundreds of thousands of acres of the San Gabriels, with it's steep hillsides, would be hugely expensive, dangerous and difficult.

17 posted on 09/03/2009 11:53:06 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

“There’s no economic value to it and thinning it over the hundreds of thousands of acres of the San Gabriels, with it’s steep hillsides, would be hugely expensive, dangerous and difficult.”

Every heard of GOATS!


18 posted on 09/03/2009 11:56:50 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Have you ever been in the San Gabriels? I didn't think so, because your description of it "...it's scrub." is wildly inaccurate. I know, I've been in them mountains many times.

SZ

19 posted on 09/03/2009 11:57:28 AM PDT by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: kellynla

I have come to learn over the years that our terrain is unique. Although there is pine, there are a variety of other low-growing plants: ceanothus, manzanita, sage, oak, etal. This, combined with rugged mountain terrain, poses a challenge to clearing. As mentioned by another poster, even weather conditions enter in as a factor in when to clear. This is an early “fire season.”


20 posted on 09/03/2009 12:35:28 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (My faith consoles me. St Therese, the Little Flower of Jesus, pray for us.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Whatever the case, the alternative which we have just experienced is definitely not the answer.


21 posted on 09/03/2009 12:45:24 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: SZonian
Have you ever been in the San Gabriels? I didn't think so, because your description of it "...it's scrub." is wildly inaccurate. I know, I've been in them mountains many times.

Probably more than you. I driven past the point of origin of this fire many times. My favorite hike in the world is up Colby Canyon to Josephine Saddle, then along the ridge and the class 3 scramble to the top of Strawberry Peak. I've hiked from JPL up around Switzer Falls to the highway. I've been all through there. At the upper altitudes, on north facing slopes. you got pinyon pines and junipers. In the bottoms of the deep canyons that have running streams most of the year, you've got some scattered hardwoods. But most of it, especially the areas the burned in this fire, mostly look about like this:

The technical name is chaparral, but I think it can safely be characterized as scrub. You can't walk over it. You can't walk under it. You can't walk through it.

22 posted on 09/03/2009 1:55:22 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; kellynla

Amazing pictures here:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/09/wildfires_in_southern_californ.html


23 posted on 09/03/2009 1:59:31 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: kellynla
Every heard of GOATS!

Yes. The private outifts that use goats to clear land for government agencies, as is done on a small scale around San Diego and a more extensive scale around Laguna, charge $750 an acre. In this fire, 145,000 acres have burned. To have cleared that land using goats would have cost north of 100 million dollars. What has been spent to fight the fire is about a quarter of that.

To have the entire 650,000 acres of the Angeles National Forest cleared by goats would cost half a billion dollars. And then there's the Cleveland National Forest, the Los Padres National Forest and the San Bernardino National forest, just within a hundred miles, all with pretty similar vegetation. It takes 70 goats four days to go through one acre. That's 180 million goat days to cover the Angeles National Forest.

How many goats do you envision the federal government contracting with?

24 posted on 09/03/2009 2:21:47 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Thanks.


25 posted on 09/03/2009 3:41:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: kellynla
Yeah, we all know about environmentalist preventing trees to be cut for any reason.
Let it be an abortion though and they will probably throw a party instead of a lawsuit.
26 posted on 09/03/2009 5:25:45 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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