Skip to comments.Mercury’s Magnetic Field is Young!
Posted on 09/04/2009 8:50:36 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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How was that? :o)
I used to think that also, back when I was a part-time Christian. Once I began earnestly challenging my faith and reading the word of God, I asked myself if the Bible is the infallible word of God or not? Do I accept that man is fallen and put my faith in Jesus, or put my faith in men that tell me what I should believe? Do I need to observe something to believe it to be real? I’ve never seen anyone walk on water, but I believe Jesus did it.
I believe that the Bible is the divinely inspired word of God. I believe all of it, not just the parts that I’m comfortable believing.
The problem I have is assuming that a day to God Almighty is the same as a day is to us.
Why would a creator, who created something as infinitely vast as the universe, base his day upon the rotation of a tiny little planet in some galaxy? Remember, the Bible was given to man thousands of years ago, and God using the term ‘day’ may have been his way of relating what happened in terms man could understand at the time.
Are you threatening me, ChickenPox?
You should have put a comma in front of pal. Like this, "Talk trash to my face and see where that gets you, pal."
It's just Pox. Give him a wedgy.
It must be true because our telescopes can only see light that has been traveling for 6,000 years, beyond that our telescopes either see god’s flowing robes or empty space....
The Andromeda “Galaxy” is not 100 million light years away it is only 100 million miles away. And it is not a galaxy made of stars but one made of Tapioca pudding, which is different than the milky way which is made only of cow derived dairy products....
Hmmm...perhaps it’s time for you to reevaluate the “former” in your screenname, as the ACLU very much agrees with you.
See Diogenes Laertius, II.8 (Life of Anaxagoras)
Take off your blinders and use real science.
I got the rate of decrease by comparing my theorys magnetic moment at creation with the 1975 value, and by using a 6,000 year age for the solar system, as the blue line in Figure 2 illustrates.
This is utterly laughable. The author invented a number based upon his own "theory" and then drew a straight line between a known datapoint and his theoretical datapoint and claims that the line proves something.
Seriously, I'm rolling on the floor here.
==It’s just Pox. Give him a wedgy.
I have a feeling he has gotten many wedgies throughout his life.
You’re probably correct. I try to keep up with punctuation rules, but nobody can remember everything. :)
It was a variable, for the fraction of dipoles aligned at creation. That fed into the magnetic field of the planet at creation, and that fed into the equation to predict what it will be.
The problem is he gets to set that variable for fraction of dipoles aligned to be whatever he wants, so he gets to have whatever result he wants.
And all this assumes the exponential decay idea has any merit, and it’s not on firm ground either.
Humphreys thinks our magnetic field has flipped very quickly several times over the last 6,000 years using some pretty surreal logic.
>> Its actually much worse than steering folks away from the GOP, its steering people away from Christianity and belief in God.
Fanatics that deny reality, are tools of the devil. They drive people away from faith. Satan loves them.
Think of all the kids with brains that can see the geological evidence with their very own eyes being told by a “religious personal” that what they see is false, that the Earth is only 6 thousand years old. Well, odds are, you will see a smart kid turning away from all parts of religion.
The young earthers are personally responsible for many many lost souls. They should be ashamed.
Oh, BTW, I was almost one of these lost souls... but then I realized that these folks were just tools or idiots and that their views do not reflect the majority of believers.
God and science are one. Science reveals God’s creation (however he choose to do it... using evolution, laws of physics, big bang... whatever). <<
Couldn’t have said it any better myself.
My favorite line *~* and also Kinetic energy is energy in use and certainly Inigo Montoya seemed at to display that......
I served in the USMC during the 1980s and 1990s. Get behind me, and keep your head down, Army-boy.
“I have just returned from visiting the MARINES at the front, and there is not a finer fighting organization in the world!”
GEN. DOUGLAS MACARTHUR, U.S. ARMY
“The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of MARINES. LORD, how they could fight!”
MAJ. GEN. FRANK LOWE, U.S. ARMY
....and yet my infantry unit would kick the hell out of the K-Bay jarheads on a regular basis.
(unbuckles belt and clangs metal pieces together)
What’s that sound?
It’s the dinner bell in the Marines.
In your dreams, berrypicker. If a Marine ever wants to go into the Army (God forbid!) they don’t have to go through Army bootcamp, but if one of one of your berrypicking Army comrades wants to become a Marine they have to go through Marine Corps bootcamp from scratch. That should tell you all you need to know about the difference between the Army and the USMC!
But that Mercury is old !
The young earthers are personally responsible for many many lost souls. [excerpt]Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
Oh, BTW, I was almost one of these lost souls... but then I realized that these folks were just tools or idiots and that their views do not reflect the majority of believers. [excerpt]Believing what the majority believes does not equate to salvation.
God and science are one. [excerpt]You have either elevated a methodology created by man to the level of deity, or you demoted God to nothing more than a creation of man.
And the line ended up smack dab in the middle of the chart!
It's a miracle!
Poor, poor, Army-boy. He tells this Marine to have his head examined, and then has a meltdown when this Marine tells him the only head that needs examining is the one he sees each day in the mirror. You would have been crying for your mommy on the very first day of a real bootcamp.
It's a miracle!
God musta told him where to place the axis.
Joshua Zorn, an evangelical missionary, makes an urgent appeal to “well-meaning Christians who share with me both a high regard for Scripture and evangelism,” beginning with his personal experience:
I became a Christian in 1973 at the age of thirteen when my Sunday school teacher took four lessons to explain the plan of salvation to us. ... This was the first time I had heard that the blood of Christ shed at the cross could wash away my sins. I immediately accepted this good news that salvation was by grace through faith and not by works. I began a new life in Christ which has now led me to work as a church planter in the former Soviet Union. ...
A few years after my conversion,... I became an enthusiastic devotee of young earth creation science (YECS) as promoted by the Institute for Creation Research. ... By the time I entered graduate school, I had discovered Christian geologist Davis Young’s book, Christianity and the Age of the Earth. ... As I read this book, I saw that the scientific arguments for a young earth were completely untenable. I found that all the other Christian graduate students had problems with YECS geological arguments. And so, although it was painful, I asked myself if I wanted to continue to believe in something that is quite plainly wrong. I decided I did not, and so rejected the young earth position.
But rejection of the young earth was not only a matter of science. It affected my faith and the core of my life. ... I went through a period of deep soul seeking, clinging to the Lord. .... Twelve years have gone by since I abandoned the young earth viewpoint. As I continued to study (toward a Ph.D. in mathematics with applications in population genetics), I unfortunately saw argument after argument of YECS crumble in the face of evidence, both new and old. The list is in the hundreds and goes far beyond the issue of the age of the earth.
I don’t expect pastors or church leaders to be impressed by all the scientific evidence unless there are also good hermeneutical reasons for abandoning the YECS position and a literal reading of the opening chapters of Genesis. As my prejudice wore off over the years, I began to discover a whole new world of evangelical interpretations as well as persuasive arguments against some aspects of the literalist reading of Genesis 1-3. ...
Do not fall into the trap of thinking the age of the earth is just a matter of “trusting God’s Word” versus “trusting science.” Christians need to, and every day do, trust both. The common error of rejecting many well-established results of science in favor of a certain biblical interpretation is not a valid Christian position. In the end, the truth will be a harmony which rejects neither the teachings of Scripture nor the well-established results of science. The results of science (properly interpreted) should never challenge the authority of Scripture, but they may cause us to reexamine our interpretation of Scripture. This is what I am pleading with young earthers to do.
The Christian position must be that all truth is God’s truth and that we have both general revelation (nature) and special revelation (the Bible) as sources of truth. ... Ultimately, our confidence in Scripture should not rest on having a complete harmony between science and the Bible because we simply do not know enough to complete the harmony. ...
[Young-earth teaching] creates a nearly insurmountable barrier between the educated world and the church. Certainly God in his sovereignty has allowed some to be persuaded to believe in Christ through the arguments of YECS. But how many more have not accepted the Gospel because of the unnecessary demand that converts believe that the world is no more than 10,000 years old? And how many have unnecessarily gone through a crisis of faith similar to that which I described above? How many have chosen to give up their faith altogether rather than to accept scientific nonsense or a major reinterpretation of Scripture? How much have we dishonored our Lord by slandering scientists and their reputation? How much have we sinned against Christian brothers holding another opinion by naming them “dangerous” and “compromisers”? How much responsibility do we bear for having taught others (James 3:1) things that probably are not even true? Each must search his own heart. ...
As I write this paper, I see YECS literature becoming more and more widely distributed in the growing churches in my corner of the former Soviet Union. We are sowing the seeds of a major crisis which will make the job of world evangelism even harder than it is already. Lord, give us wisdom!
The problem I have is assuming that a day to God Almighty is the same as a day is to us. [excerpt]God Almighty is outside of time and not subject to it.
Why would a creator, who created something as infinitely vast as the universe, base his day upon the rotation of a tiny little planet in some galaxy? [excerpt]Because thats where the person He was talking to was located.
Remember, the Bible was given to man thousands of years ago, and God using the term day may have been his way of relating what happened in terms man could understand at the time. [excerpt]It is impossible for someone to misunderstand God.
God’s word has not changed.
That doesn't make any sense. The argument here between Christians seems to be that the other side is misunderstanding God. YEC is necessary, YEC isn't necessary. One's right, the other is misunderstanding.
But the interpretation of it has varied widely over the years.
At least when he got his wedgy his undies weren’t wrapped around his chin.
I know - I wish it was mine, too.
God told Moses that he (God) made everything is six days.It is impossible for someone to misunderstand God.That doesn't make any sense. [excerpt]
Moses understood a day to mean a regular 24 hour day, and Christ spoke of Moses' writings as true.
The argument here between Christians seems to be that the other side is misunderstanding God. YEC is necessary, YEC isn't necessary. One's right, the other is misunderstanding. [excerpt]The post to which you replied to does not address the age of the Earth. (Try to pay attention)
However, our interpretation of it has, our 'recording' of it has, and our understanding of what 'he' meant is still incomplete.
There are many who misunderstand God, the word of God, and what God is telling them.
Does that also apply to Exodus 21: 17, and 20?
If you’re a Jew living under The Law, I suppose.
Jesus brought us a New Covenant. Cursing parents and harming others is still “illegal”, but the punishments are covered by Jesus’ blood.
Any other Biblical questions? Or are you just sniping and trying to pick holes where there are none?
So, back in Moses' time, a day was exactly 24 hours long?
Did Moses have a watch?