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Bill Cosby speaks bluntly about black people and education
Examiner ^ | August 19, 2009 | Donna Gundle-Krieg

Posted on 09/04/2009 9:39:13 PM PDT by Lorianne

Bill Cosby spoke about his feelings regarding black people and education in his recent rant called We Cannot Blame the White People Any Longer.

Cosby is probably the only person who could get away with talking the way he does because he is well respected among people of all races.

“People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around,” he says.

“They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk….You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.”

Cosby is especially upset that we have millionaire football players who cannot read or write two paragraphs.

“We, as black folks, have to do a better job,” he stated. “We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.”

He believes that “Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back.”

For the entire rant, see:

http://www.californiaindianeducation.org/indian_humor/blame_whites.html


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: billcosby; blackfamily; cosby; education; race; racism

1 posted on 09/04/2009 9:39:13 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

“Cosby is probably the only person who could get away with talking the way he does.....”

That Cosby is the only person stating what is right, is scary.


2 posted on 09/04/2009 9:43:41 PM PDT by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: Lorianne

Responsibility...what a scary word!?


3 posted on 09/04/2009 9:45:45 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: Williams

There are some plain truth speaking black folks out there, Walter Williams comes to mind off hand.


4 posted on 09/04/2009 9:47:00 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: Lorianne

FYI, the Cosby speech is genuine, but it’s a few years old— the original is from 2004.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/cosby.asp


5 posted on 09/04/2009 9:50:14 PM PDT by sthguard (Pres__ent Obama: He's All Ego.)
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To: All

He hits it right on the head. THIS is what kids should have to listen to in school NOT Obama the Marxist.


6 posted on 09/04/2009 9:53:03 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: Williams
With that said...maybe he can get away with asking the usurper in chief for his friggin credentials...
7 posted on 09/04/2009 9:57:25 PM PDT by hope
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To: Lorianne

As in the past, Bill Cosby will take some serious heat from the so-called leaders of the Black comunity for this. Once again they will accuse him of betraying his people and being an “Uncle Tom”. I’m glad he has the perseverence to stick to his guns. It’s this type of attitude which will move us into a world where one’s race is almost an afterthought instead on a defining characteristic. Take note of who you will see attacking him over this. They are the ones that are not interested in truly moving race relations forward, rather they will be the ones interested in doing just the opposite in the guise of ‘helping’ the black community.


8 posted on 09/04/2009 9:59:49 PM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Graybeard58

Let me say this....Black conservatives are hated far more than us whitey cons by the left in America...It is amazing that a black conservative in this country has the guts to stand up! I applaud them all!!!God Bless them! Because you know why? They have far greater courage than most on the right who are white.


9 posted on 09/04/2009 10:00:50 PM PDT by hope
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To: contemplator

Well now Obama is saying basically the same thing as Cosby so it’s okay.


10 posted on 09/04/2009 10:07:33 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: sonic109

Bill Cosby is dead on. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s. He is dead on.

I didn’t judge a person by their skin tone growing up. 0bama has done more to divide us by race than any political figure in modern times.

Nice job.


11 posted on 09/04/2009 10:11:08 PM PDT by mplsconservative (Obama is a Communist.)
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To: Williams

The problem is not just with blacks - There’s lots of good digs that can be got in at Leftists with their trashing of the high school graduation rate over the last 30 years.


12 posted on 09/04/2009 10:12:26 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: sthguard
Remember how he was ostracized for this stance?
13 posted on 09/04/2009 10:13:27 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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To: Lorianne
He was on Oprah with his message. He went all over the U.S. to various cities. I know he came to Lakewood, WA, however he has been criticized by many blacks. It is a shame, a real shame.

When I was in H.S. one of my good friends was a black girl who was very smart. She really studied hard. She was shunned by the other black students. She had us, but I couldn't believe how she was treated. She became a successful doctor. It is sad that many black children feel it isn't cool to do well in school.

14 posted on 09/04/2009 10:16:13 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: Lorianne

The commies are doing a good job of demoralizing all of our children.


15 posted on 09/04/2009 10:16:34 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Williams

So true. So many are blind.


16 posted on 09/04/2009 10:18:38 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: mplsconservative
I didn’t judge a person by their skin tone growing up.

that's a noble platitude spoken frequently by folks from Minneapolis and other areas that are fairly low minority populations

in a place where I come from like Jackson Mississipi where whites are a minority of only 25% one understands quickly what their own white skin color implies to the majority

17 posted on 09/04/2009 10:23:32 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: contemplator
" It’s this type of attitude which will move us into a world where one’s race is almost an afterthought instead on a defining characteristic. "

No, it will take some conservative political leaders to start telling it like Cosby is telling it.

Until Whitey is ready to blame Socialist/Democrats who control all inner city education and big city governments, it will not change.

Why is Whitey afraid to tell it like it is?

yitbos

18 posted on 09/04/2009 10:26:58 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: sthguard
FYI, the Cosby speech is genuine, but it’s a few years old
— the original is from 2004.

....so b/c its old (5 yrs)....its not relevant?
...the facts, speak for themselves.


19 posted on 09/04/2009 10:41:07 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Zer0 to the voter: "Welcome to 'MY' DeathCARE ® Plan"...Sucker! ...now just die. :^)
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To: Williams
That Cosby is the only person stating what is right, is scary.

Imagine being who you are, having the beliefs that you do, and living in a totalitarian communist state like the former USSR. How much courage would you have to muster to stand up and say the sorts of things that Bill Cosby is saying now?

I can tell you from having lived it, that being a black person with solid conservative beliefs, and dearly held patriotic views (in the black community) is very much like what I just described.

Only those blacks who have risen to great heights of wealth and fame can get away with saying these sorts of things in the black community without paying a heavy price for doing so.

You think white liberals think in lockstep? They've got nothing on black liberals. I almost can't describe to you how deep radical leftism really is in our black communities. It's nearly the cultural default setting.

I know this because I'm from there.

20 posted on 09/04/2009 10:49:59 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lorianne

Speaking the truth. God bless Bill!


21 posted on 09/04/2009 10:53:32 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: hope
Black conservatives are hated far more than us whitey cons by the left in America...It is amazing that a black conservative in this country has the guts to stand up!

I applaud them all!!! God Bless them! Because you know why? They have far greater courage than most on the right who are white.

Not that I'm looking for any accolades or applause, but thank you for saying that. Indeed, we black conservatives are truly despised by most other blacks.

I'm the lone conservative in my family, and I must say that relations with my folks are held by a very thin thread. Standing up for what I believe with them has created divisions and hardened feelings like you wouldn't believe.

But, I don't back down. I'll share my thoughts and feelings about politics and culture with any black person without hesitation.

22 posted on 09/04/2009 10:58:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Williams
What's scary is that, over the years, the Black community has castigated Bill Cosby for stating these views. The PTB NAACP certainly will not support him.

The age of playing the race card has to be over, the permanent 'victimhood' needs to be eradicated.

Black students, at any level, if they aspire to achieve success, earned excellent grades...far too often are put down, ridiculed as 'acting white'. The peer pressure NOT to succeed in many lawful endeavors is certainly negating many futures.

23 posted on 09/04/2009 10:58:41 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Vicki
It is sad that many black children feel it isn't cool to do well in school.

Trust me, this isn't a new thing. My parents both endured negative peer pressure from classmates and peers for their academic achievements in Watts of the late 1940s.

24 posted on 09/04/2009 11:04:02 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I love your sentiment! I have such diversity in my family and most are accepting to my conservative views. I am thankful..I could not even begin to imagine what you must be experiencing in your life while holding true to your convictions...thank you!


25 posted on 09/04/2009 11:05:57 PM PDT by hope
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To: hope
I have such diversity in my family and most are accepting to my conservative views. I am thankful.

You know, there was a time when my family operated on the premise of "live and let live". I was raised in a very tolerant and truth-seeking household. I'm grateful for that, because that freedom allowed me to develop in my own direction, choosing the path that seemed best to me - not the herd.

Over the decades though, my family members have become more and more indoctrinated into a more solid liberal viewpoint. One that isn't so tolerant or truth-seeking any more. It astounds me to see the transformation in them. They don't see it, but having found my way out of the liberal mind control trap myself, I can clearly see how much they've changed over time.

My feeling is that, of all the family, I'm the only one who's found their way back to the sane ground we all once inhabited.

I could not even begin to imagine what you must be experiencing in your life while holding true to your convictions.

I don't let it get under my skin that much. Not that it's never done so. There have been times when I went through real torture over my disintegrating family relations.

But, I don't wake up thinking about it, nor do I carry it to sleep with me each night. It just is what it is. I can't do their thinking for them. If they want to ignore the gargantuan dayglo handwriting on the wall, then it's their own integrity that they're compromising. They have to live with that, not me.

26 posted on 09/04/2009 11:22:17 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

God Bless you! You have found something greater than what’s in this life! That is the beginning to an end that is everlasting! I know you know what I mean. Stay strong!


27 posted on 09/04/2009 11:38:05 PM PDT by hope
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To: hope
Stay strong!

Thank you, Hope.

28 posted on 09/04/2009 11:40:17 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lorianne

I’ll give an example of the rift.

My wife is in a management position. She has various employees who perform driver duties. 2 of them are black. One of them is an excellent employee, and the other one doesn’t show up a good part of the time. She can’t rely on him, so she cut him back to 1 day a week driving. He cursed at her and accused her of doing it because he’s black. When she reminded him that the other employee was black, and it had nothing to do with it, that she simply couldn’t rely on him, he told her that the other employee wasn’t real black.

Apparently, he’s not seen as true black by some people, because he speaks well and has a white girlfriend.


29 posted on 09/05/2009 12:38:48 AM PDT by TheLurkerX (Even if Darwin was wrong, I say we keep the awards.)
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To: Windflier
You know, there was a time when my family operated on the premise of "live and let live". I was raised in a very tolerant and truth-seeking household.

Over the decades though, my family members have become more and more indoctrinated into a more solid liberal viewpoint. One that isn't so tolerant or truth-seeking any more. It astounds me to see the transformation in them.

Without taking anything away from your observations of liberals in the black community, I can assure you that the same thing has happened in many, many white families, including mine. Your description of it hits the nail on the head.

And IMO, it's not conservatism that's changed. Liberals are far more radicalized, belligerent and flat-out aggressive than ever before, along with being greatly diminished in their ability to support even their simplest views, when even mildly questioned. They become instantly enraged over things they haven't the foggiest notion of how to explain, let alone justify.

Michael Savage attributes this to the massive use of anti-depressants amongst liberals, and I can agree that dealing with them is a lot like dealing with someone on drugs.

Observing this in our culture is alarming; experiencing it on one's family is horrifying.

30 posted on 09/05/2009 1:48:41 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Graybeard58
Walter Williams comes to mind off hand.

Dr. Thomas Sowell is another....both are brilliant thinkers, although perhaps not quite as well known as Cosby amongst the "unwashed masses"....

31 posted on 09/05/2009 5:30:20 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Lorianne

Preach it Doctor Huxtable!!!!


32 posted on 09/05/2009 9:26:06 AM PDT by Karma Police (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!!!)
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To: Talisker
Liberals are far more radicalized, belligerent and flat-out aggressive than ever before, along with being greatly diminished in their ability to support even their simplest views, when even mildly questioned.

They become instantly enraged over things they haven't the foggiest notion of how to explain, let alone justify.

That's an excellent observation, and one that most of us here have made in recent years.

A good example of this is an email exchange that I had last week with my brother. I had sent him some editorial cartoons which all featured his Dear Leader. Given that a picture can often capture the total essence of an argument, I figured his awareness would be somewhat raised about what the country's current attitudes toward Obama are.

He replied with some surly and incoherent statement, ending in the word "racist!"

In response to that outburst, I sent him the latest Presidential Approval polling data from Rassmussen and others. I even included the charts, with links back to the sites.

His response to that?

"Bye."

Now, this is a very intelligent man. One of his signature traits has always been the ability to win arguments. Used to drive me nuts when we were kids. But today, he quickly abandons his usual logic-driven formula when arguing politics, and resorts to a typical moonbat melt-down.

That indicates to me that he has no real argument, and is erupting in anger precisely because I've caught him without one.

I think this is the basis of this behavior among all liberals and leftist radicals. They know in their hearts that they don't speak the truth, so they must use dramatics and anger to force their viewpoint on others.

A person who speaks the truth doesn't need to overwhelm others with it, or scream it in others' faces. No - the truth is spoken frankly and matter-of-factly, without dramatics or out-of-control emotions.

Conversely, I believe that the anger we see coming from our side is a righteous indignation, borne of honest grievances with the destruction of our liberties and way of life.

33 posted on 09/05/2009 9:53:56 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

I’m not saying it’s not relevant, but from what I could tell the original article presented the speech as brand-new.


34 posted on 09/05/2009 10:58:40 AM PDT by sthguard (Pres__ent Obama: He's All Ego.)
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To: sthguard
I’m not saying it’s not relevant, but from what I could
tell the original article presented the speech as brand-new.

OK...sorry, for the mis-communication.


35 posted on 09/05/2009 11:01:14 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Zer0 to the voter: "Welcome to 'MY' DeathCARE ® Plan"...Sucker! ...now just die. :^)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Yeah, and from the article comments it doesn’t look like much has changed on that end!


36 posted on 09/05/2009 11:17:40 AM PDT by sthguard (Pres__ent Obama: He's All Ego.)
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To: Windflier

Windflier, you’re right on the money here, in so many ways.

I’m sure you and everyone else have noticed that when a member of the radical left, whatever ethnicity, calls a talk show or is a guest on a political show (TV or radio), once they start talking, they never stop. Not even to take a breath, much less allow the other person to response.

I think it’s more than rudeness, arrogance or egotism. I think it’s a coordinated technique to drown out the opposition. Fortunately, the producers have the Mute button at the ready, and the better ones use it when they really start to overrun the other speaker.

What do you think?


37 posted on 09/05/2009 12:54:31 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. And NEVER GIVE UP!)
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To: Lorianne

If Obama cared at all about students’ futures, then this is the video he would show them on Tuesday.


38 posted on 09/05/2009 12:57:27 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: bootless
I’m sure you and everyone else have noticed that when a member of the radical left, whatever ethnicity, calls a talk show or is a guest on a political show (TV or radio), once they start talking, they never stop. Not even to take a breath, much less allow the other person to response.

I think it’s more than rudeness, arrogance or egotism. I think it’s a coordinated technique to drown out the opposition.

I don't think the typical moonbat melt-down response to questioning or challenges is coordinated at all. I firmly believe that it's a purely human response to holding an indefensible and unsupportable position.

Liberals have little in the way of facts or reason to support their contentions. In essence, their whole philosophy is based on untruths and misconceptions, so they squirm and rage at being uncovered for the frauds they are. This can be accomplished by asking them the simplest of questions about their philosophy, or their leadership.

As soon as you open your mouth to challenge anything they believe in, they become defensive and belligerent. It's a purely mental reaction to being caught in a lie. That's all it is.

39 posted on 09/05/2009 1:16:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Very true, excellent point.

Then, I wonder about the paid moonbats who sit in on Hannity’s show, O’Reilly, etc. They tend to start talking and never stop.


40 posted on 09/05/2009 3:37:24 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. And NEVER GIVE UP!)
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To: bootless
I wonder about the paid moonbats who sit in on Hannity’s show, O’Reilly, etc. They tend to start talking and never stop.

Simply another facet of a liar's reactive attempt to shield themselves from discovery. If they keep talking and drown you out, they own the debate through sheer force.

We all innately know that people who do this sort of thing are not being truthful. If they were, they'd be a lot more civil, and willing to actually compare concepts and ideas with you to show you where you're wrong, and they're right.

What liberal ever has a civil, intelligent discussion of this sort?

41 posted on 09/05/2009 4:53:38 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Simply another facet of a liar's reactive attempt to shield themselves from discovery. If they keep talking and drown you out, they own the debate through sheer force.

Exactly.

What liberal ever has a civil, intelligent discussion of this sort?

Good point - I'll rephrase just a little: What Leftist ever has a civil, intelligent discussion of this sort?

Once in a while I'll see an intellectually honest liberal debate their point civilly and with intelligence. The few that don't employ the "Wall of Sound" technique have my respect for their behavior, if not my agreement with their beliefs.

42 posted on 09/05/2009 8:42:22 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. And NEVER GIVE UP!)
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To: hope

I think Cosby is a liberal or are you just referencing black conservatives in general?


43 posted on 09/05/2009 8:47:52 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: bootless
Once in a while I'll see an intellectually honest liberal debate their point civilly and with intelligence.

Liberals who will actually have an intelligent debate with you about political philosophy are rare. They're usually the sort of people who have simply been acclimated to liberal views, without having actually examined both sides for themselves. They can be honestly inquisitive. Again - they're rare.

The few that don't employ the "Wall of Sound" technique have my respect for their behavior, if not my agreement with their beliefs.

Some committed liberals will just shut down on you, if you present them with a series of indisputable facts. My dad is like that. He just bows out of the conversation when I pile on the facts and reason.

My siblings, on the other hand, just get louder and more belligerent, the more I undermine their position. It's a reaction, either way.

If they had the truth on their side, they'd simply, and civilly lay it all out for me until I "got it". They can't do that, because their position is shot full of holes, so they protest my outing their support of ignorance and lies. All liars and all liberals do this when challenged with the facts.

44 posted on 09/05/2009 9:06:27 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

yes and yes.


45 posted on 09/06/2009 7:05:13 AM PDT by hope
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To: hope

:) Thanks for clarifying.


46 posted on 09/06/2009 7:14:18 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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