threat whatsoever to our present form of government.
OUCH!
Posted on 09/05/2009 11:08:07 AM PDT by DaveyB
Fredericksburg, Va. (CNSNews.com) – During a town hall meeting at the Fredericksburg Expo Center, Senator Mark Warner (D-Va.) said there is “no place in the Constitution” that mentions health care or education, or even gives individuals the right to own a telephone.
“[L]isten, there is, there is no place in the Constitution that specifically says health care,” Warner said to a government high school teacher at the event, who asked him if the Constitution explicitly gives the government the right to run the health care system.
“There’s no place in the Constitution that specifically says education,” said Warner.
Moreover, he repeated five times that the Constitution does not guarantee individuals the right to own a telephone.
“There is no place in the competition, in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution,” he said, “that talks about you ought to have the right to get a telephone, but we have made those choices as a country over the years.”
Warner also indicated that the high school government teacher was perhaps suggesting that government-run Medicare and Medicaid should be dissolved.
“So I take, I take by your question, I take by your question , I take by your question that you would get rid of Medicare and Medicaid?” Warner told the teacher. “Or would you, are you, let me make sure I understand, you’re advocating doing away with Medicare, right? Because that’s a government program. I just want to make clear that you are suggesting doing away with Medicare.”
Town hall attendees who were interested in asking Warner questions were given a ticket with a number that was randomly called during the question-and-answer session.
Below is the transcript of the exchange between Warner and the attendee:
Attendee: “I realize that there are a lot of people that don’t have medical care and it’s necessary for those things to change to help those. I think that a lot of people are upset, not necessarily because of medical care, though that is a huge part of it, but I think larger is what’s happening to our government. It’s being destroyed in my personal opinion. I am a government, high school government teacher and I have taught these kids the Constitution, and I would like to know specifically, article and section of the Constitution, that gives the government the right to run our health care.”
Sen. Warner: “So I take, I take by your question, I take by your question, I take by your question that you would get rid of Medicare and Medicaid or would you, are you, let me make sure I understand: You’re advocating doing away with Medicare, right? Because that’s a government program. I just want to make clear that you are suggesting doing away with Medicare? But one thing, listen, there is, there is no place in the Constitution that specifically says health care. There’s no place in the Constitution that specifically says education. There is no place in the competition, in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution, there is no place in the Constitution that talks about you ought to have the right to get a telephone, but we have made those choices as a country over the years.”
The 10th Ammendmnent
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
No delegated power for healthcare - reserved to the states and the people!
No delegated power over the telephone - reserved to the states and the people!
Any questions?
My rights come from God you slag.
As Joe Sobran likes to point out, the Constitution poses
no threat whatsoever to our present form of government.
Private industry provides telephone service, and you have to pay for it.
And I contend that we’d be better off if private industry provided education, or leaving health care and insurance in the hands of private industry.
Seems our Congress Critters are getting Constitutional Law education.....FINALLY! MAYBE???
KEEERIST!
Warner, do you by chance have the knowledge of the Constitution to even reference God when it comes to rights given to us?
Do ALL politicians tote this same "God resides in Washington" attitude?
The Constitution says “Healthcare” in the same place it says “Abortion”....
The Constitution also does not say that the government can force you to have a telephone, health care, a car, a computer and so on. These people are nuts.
But there is a specific place in the Constitution that talks about our right to keep and bear arms, yet we live under constant threat of statists like you confiscating them.
They take too much power unto themselves. They need to be shut down. This guy thinks he pulled off a good one by bringing up the Constitution. The people know the Constitution better than he does.
OUCH!
NO Dip$h!t Warner....there is nothing in the constitution preventing me from getting a phone. There is in the constitution an amendment which alows me to use it to talk freely if I like....
and yes Dip$h!t Warner....we should not have Medicare, Medicaid and education is not a right either....and we would be better if we took care of our kids education ourselves, either by doing it ourselves or paying someone to do it....and it would be without leftist propaganda.
What in the world does he mean “right to own a telephone?” He’s crazy. We have freedom of speech and we have the right to buy and own anything we want to exercise it.
Maybe the next thing is government licensing of individual phones and communications devices (the way the Brits have to pay a special TV tax or they don’t have the “right” to view television).
What’s with the repeating himself thing? The democrats fancy themselves as being so intelligent, but this kind of thing and the D!@#$@ “Ummmmm” thing when doing speeches, press conferences, etc. drive me nuts. It’s not intellectual, it’s just plain poorly spoken.
And on to the Constitution...It’s one thing to make a decision to do something as a nation that isn’t specifically in the Constitution. It’s quite another to take a poorly conceived program that is obviously broken (Medicare, Medicaid) and try to use that as a template to “fix” the healthcare “problem.”
The fact that people don’t really have any skin in the game with reference to healthcare costs is a major reason things are so busted to start with. It’s (understandably) scary to people to have to pay for their own healthcare, but something has to be done besides extending a broken system to everybody.
This, in a nutshell, illustrates the problem we have: These guys do not understand the Constitution they are sworn to uphold, or, if they do understand it, they just want to ignore it. And the problem is not just the Democrats--I expect this from them--the problem is also that we have so few Republicans who are both able and willing to articulate and defend and advance Tenth Amendment conservativism. And we have a dumbed-down populace that has no clue as to the main point of the Constitution in limiting and defining the powers of the federal government.
Of course, if we play the Constitution card in regard to ObamaCare, the Dems will immediately come back with, "Oh, so you wanna get rid of Medicare, eh? Make Granny suffer, eh?" Or if we speak against federal intrusion in education: "Oh, so you're against education, eh?" Really dumb "arguments," but dumb people buy it.
Frankly, yes, I wish we never had Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or a Department of Education. They are all unconstitutional. But now that we have SocSec and Medicare, for example, I think the best approach would be to gradually phase them out, as equitably as possible.
But certainly, even if we can't get rid of what's already in place, don't ADD to the scope of unconstitutional federal powers, as ObamaCare would do, tremendously.
The GOP is going to have to resist these attempts to distract from the socialized medicine argument. The Dems want the seniors to believe the GOP is going to take away their Medicare and Social Security. We shouldn’t ever get into that contrived argument. Just identify it for the attempted distraction it is and move on.
The Democrats are the only ones making these statements though they keep trying to draw Republicans in.
A few Mixed Metaphors here?
Send him a Pink Slip (google for some good ones) and tell him that when he’s up for re-election, you’ll be working for his opponent.
Text of what I sent my representative and senators earlier today:
And don’t even get me started on this ‘cap and trade’ nonsense.
Let me just ask you this, if some folks in Washington really think
they can pass legislation that will allow them to reset the earth’s
thermostat, just what temperature do they want to reset it to?
To what it was twenty years ago? Fifty? A hundred? A thousand?
What is the ‘right’ temperature of the earth?
If no one can seriously answer that question, then any legislation
that is aimed at controlling our climate should be moot.
Thanks in advance for your time.
uhh... the teacher should have said in response:
The Consitution grants rights to the government, not the people. It is a document that limits the power of the federal government. In fact, the Bill of Rights does not grant the people rights. It limits the government from infringing on these God given rights.
>>The people know the Constitution better than he does.<<
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He knows the Constitution as well as the people do, but he chose to ignore it like all prospective power grabbers do.
Oh, great and benevolent government.
I never knew how wonderful Government was. Letting us, the unwashed masses, have telephones, even though we had no right specifically listed in the Constitution.
Because of this from here on out, "I Pledge to Serve Our President, BARAK 0BAMA."
yes, that's it,
serve 0bama.
serve him.
serve 0bama and no one else.
serve 0bama.
serve 0bama, our president...0bama.
All together now..start softly gradually building up to an Astin Kuckar scream.
0bama
0bama
0bama
0bama
0bama
0bama
0bama
0bama
WE'RE GOING TO SOUTH CAROLINA, NORTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA, FLORIDA.......
YeaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGH
opps, wrong brainwashed speech.
The Hussein cultist Mark Warner acknowledges the Constitution doesn’t guarantee such things—but then proceeds to obey his Facist Master in taxing the producers and giving to the moochers.
No hope.
Besides, I don't need the Government telling me I can have a phone.
No Sh__ Sherlock!
Great then. Let’s knock govt run healthcare off the table, AND education. Warner just admitted they aren’t in the Constitution.
Anything he comes up with that isn’t in the Constitution, TAKE IT OUT - the States are supposed to regulate.
As per the phones, I would say there is a legitimate interstate commerce clause as these companies are often operating across a region or nationwide.
Thanks Warner, just gave us the reason to get the federal govt from legally robbing and redistributing hundreds of billions of dollars on education every year. States should handle that.
Constitution; what’s that???
I heard Williams do that, and in five or ten minutes he got right to the heart of the matter, from a constitutional perspective, more concisely and forthrightly and unashamedly than you will hear from most Republican politicians. Fred Thompson was the best at understanding and articulating federalism among recent candidates, but unfortunately his campaign didn't go anywhere.
I highly encourage FReepers to send this out to all you know.
Warner is a Democrat and will vote with the Marxists, Communists, and socialists, no matter what he says. His party is not a party to the Constitution, IMO, unless it suits their purposes.
If I could, add the book “Dirty Dozen” about twelve USSC cases which greatly exopanded the power of the federal government.
He was so right. And the government doesn’t run my phone.
Thanks for the link. I only wish the author referred to our Creator as the founders did as the source of our rights.
He's right and federal involvement in education has made schools WORSE.
The Constitution is clear. You dont have a “right” to healthcare, nor to food stamps, nor to welfare, or anything else. Eliminate every unconstitutional social program and let people be responsible for themselves. Its called self-reliance. Privatize education as well. I see nothing in the Consdtitution that says anybody has a “right” to a free education provided at my expense. I dont even think vouchers are realistic. Let people homeschool or afford to send their children to a private school of their choice.
Thanx
>>> Privatize education as well. I see nothing in the Consdtitution that says anybody has a “right” to a free education provided at my expense. <<<
Until the Dept. Of Education came into being, weren’t schools funded and run entirely on the state and local level?
Actually they mostly are funded on the local/state level. My property taxes support the system. The DOE mostly sets standards and other formalities, but does not fund the public school system. Local property taxes are the main way public schools are funded across the country. And I think property taxes are unconstitutional as well.
Why should someone be taxed over and over on something they alredy own. I dont pay sales tax every year on a car. I pay it once. Property taxes need to be abolished.
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