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WHITEHOUSE.gov ^ | September 5, 2009 | n/a

Posted on 09/05/2009 10:35:11 PM PDT by Cindy

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THE BRIEFING ROOM

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary ___________________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release September 5, 2009

WEEKLY ADDRESS: President Obama Announces New Initiatives for Retirement Savings

WASHINGTON – In this week’s address, President Barack Obama will announce new steps to make it easier for American families to save for retirement. These new initiatives will complement the president’s major legislative proposals to boost participation in IRAs and match retirement savings.

The new initiatives will:

Expand opportunities for automatic enrollment in 401(k) and other retirement savings plans, Make it easier for more than 100 million families to save a portion or all of their tax refunds, Enable workers to convert their unused vacation or other similar leave into additional retirement savings, and Help workers and their employers better understand the available options for tax-favored retirement saving through clear, easy-to-understand language.

Together, these steps will expand the range of choices for workers who want to save and will make saving easier for millions of Americans.

Attached is a fact sheet that outlines the new initiatives for retirement savings. The fact sheet will be live on the website at 6AM tomorrow morning.

The full audio of the address is HERE. The video can be viewed online at www.whitehouse.gov.

Remarks of President Barack Obama Weekly Address Saturday, September 5, 2009

As we spend time with family and friends this Labor Day weekend, many of us will also be thinking about the state of working America. Yesterday, we received a report showing that job losses have slowed dramatically compared to just a few months ago. Earlier in the week, we learned that the manufacturing sector has posted its first gains in eighteen months, and that many of the banks that borrowed money at the height of the financial crisis are now returning it to taxpayers with interest.

These are only the most recent signs that the economy is turning around, though these signs are little comfort to those who’ve experienced the pain of losing a job in the previous month, or in the previous two years of this recession. That’s why it is so important that we remain focused on speeding our economic recovery. Throughout America today, tens of thousands of recovery projects are underway, repairing our nation’s roads, bridges, ports and waterways; renovating schools; and developing renewable energy. We’re putting Americans back to work doing to the work America needs done – and mostly in private sector jobs.

But even as we take aggressive steps to put people back to work, it is also important that we keep faith with men and women looking back on a lifetime of labor; hard-working Americans who deserve to know that their efforts have resulted in a secure future, including a secure retirement. For this recession has not only led to the loss of jobs, but also the loss of savings. The drop in home values, for example, has also meant a drop in the value of the largest single investment most families have. And the decline in the financial markets has led to a decline in the value of 401(k)s and other sources of savings and retirement security. As a result, over the past two years, the American people have lost about $2 trillion in retirement savings.

This carries a painful toll. I’ve heard from so many who’ve had to put off retirement, or come out of retirement, to make ends meet. I’ve heard from seniors who worked hard their whole lives but now, in their golden years, are unsure of where to turn to pay the bills, afford the prescriptions, or keep the home in which they raised a family. And having too little in savings not only leaves people financially ill-prepared for retirement, but also for whatever challenges life brings. It places in jeopardy so many dreams, from owning a home to attending college.

The fact is, even before this recession hit, the savings rate was essentially zero, while borrowing had risen and credit card debt had increased. Many were simply struggling to stay afloat as incomes were stagnant – or falling – and jobs were scarce; that’s important to remember. But there were also those who spent beyond their means. And more broadly, tens of millions of families have been, for a variety of reasons, unable to put away enough money for a secure retirement. Half of America’s workforce doesn’t have access to a retirement plan at work. And fewer than 10 percent of those without workplace retirement plans have one of their own.

We cannot continue on this course. And we certainly cannot go back to an economy based on inflated profits and maxed-out credit cards; the cycles of speculative booms and painful busts; a system that put the interests of the short-term ahead of the needs of long-term. We have to revive this economy and rebuild it stronger than before. And making sure that folks have the opportunity and incentive to save – for a home or college, for retirement or a rainy day – is essential to that effort. If you work hard and meet your responsibilities, this country is going to honor our collective responsibility to you: to ensure that you can save and secure your retirement. That is why we are announcing several common-sense changes that will help families put away money for the future.

First, we’re going to make it easier for small businesses to do what large businesses do: allow workers to automatically enroll in a 401(k) or an individual retirement account. We know that automatic enrollment has made a big difference in participation rates by making it simpler for workers to save – and that’s why we’re going to expand it to more people.

Second, we’ll make it easier for people to save their federal tax refunds, which 100 million families receive. Today, if you have a retirement account, you can have your refund deposited directly into your account. With this change, we’ll make it easier for those without retirement plans to save their refunds as well. You’ll be able to check a box on your tax return to receive your refund as a savings bond.

Third, we’ll make it possible for employees to put payments for unused vacation and sick days into their retirement plan if they wish. Right now, most workers don’t have that option.

And fourth, the IRS and the Treasury Department are creating a plain-English, easy-to-follow guide, as well as a website, to help folks navigate what are often very complicated waters, especially for workers changing jobs who often are unsure how best to continue saving for retirement. Because the rules ought to be written to encourage people to save – instead of discouraging them.

We’ll also build on these steps by working with Congress. As part of my budget, I’ve proposed ensuring that nearly every American has access to a retirement savings account through his or her job. This plan would make it possible for workers to automatically enroll in IRAs through payroll contributions. And the budget simplifies and expands a tax credit for millions of families, matching half of a family’s savings up to $1,000 per year and depositing the tax credit directly into a retirement account.

This is a difficult time for our country. But I am confident that we can meet the challenges we face and leave behind something better; that we are ready to take responsibility for our future once again – as individuals and as a nation. I hope that all of you have the chance to enjoy this Labor Day weekend with family and friends. But my larger hope and expectation is that next Labor Day, the economic storms we’re weathering now will have given way to brighter and more prosperous times.

Thank you.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 401k; obama; ourmoney; retirement

1 posted on 09/05/2009 10:35:12 PM PDT by Cindy
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Note: The following text is a quote:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/Retirement_Savings_Fact_Sheet.pdf

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RETIREMENT SECURITY FOR AMERICAN FAMILIES

“If you work hard your whole life, you ought to have every opportunity to retire with dignity and
financial security. And as a nation we ought to do all we can to ensure that folks have sensible,
affordable options to save for retirement.”
— President Barack Obama

As many as 78 million working Americans—about half the workforce—don’t have a retirement
savings plan at work. Fewer than 10 percent of those without plans at work contribute to a plan
of their own. Our nation needs to do more to help families save and give them better choices to
reach a secure retirement.

Today, President Barack Obama and Secretary Tim Geithner announced new steps to make it
easier for American families to save for retirement. These new initiatives will complement the
president’s major legislative proposals to boost participation in IRAs and match retirement
savings. The Department of the Treasury will:

• Expand opportunities for automatic enrollment in 401(k) and other retirement savings plans,
• Make it easier for more than 100 million families to save a portion or all of their tax refunds,
• Enable workers to convert their unused vacation or other similar leave into additional
retirement savings, and
• Help workers and their employers better understand the available options for tax-favored
retirement saving through clear, easy-to-understand language.

Together, these steps will expand the range of choices for workers who want to save and will
make saving easier for millions of Americans.

NEW INITIATIVES TO HELP FAMILIES SAVE

(1) Expand Automatic Enrollment in 401(k) and Other Retirement Savings Plans: Under
automatic 401(k) plans, employers directly deposit a small percentage of each paycheck into
workers’ retirement accounts. Employees maintain full choice over whether and how much they
want to save. Each employee can choose to opt out of the plan or save a different amount, and
employers can easily match employee contributions. Automatic enrollment boosts participation
in 401(k) retirement plans from about 70 percent to more than 90 percent, and it is particularly
effective in increasing the participation of low-income and minority workers. But while nearly
half of larger companies with 401(k) plans have adopted automatic enrollment, fewer medium-
sized or small businesses have done so. The Administration will

• Streamline the process for 401(k) plans to adopt automatic enrollment. Plan sponsors
typically seek Internal Revenue Service approval of plan amendments to ensure legal
compliance. By issuing pre-approved automatic enrollment language, the IRS will allow plan
sponsors to amend their plans to adopt automatic enrollment more quickly, without the need
for case-by-case approval by the IRS.

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• Make it easier to increase saving over time. A promising approach to boosting retirement
savings is to gradually increase automatic worker contributions over time. For example,
workers could dedicate a portion of their pay raises to retirement savings or be put on a path
to save a higher percentage of their pay every year, while remaining free to stop the increases
or opt out entirely at any time. Treasury and the IRS are releasing a ruling explaining how
401(k) plans can use this automatic increase feature.

• Allow automatic enrollment in SIMPLE-IRAs. The SIMPLE-IRA combines the basic
elements of 401(k) plans and IRAs, creating an easily administrable retirement plan that
small businesses can offer to their employees. An estimated 3 to 4 million SIMPLE-IRA
accounts exist, but workers are not automatically enrolled. Treasury and IRS are now issuing
guidance to help interested employers automatically enroll employees in SIMPLE-IRA plans
so long as employees are free to opt out.

(2) Create Easier Ways to Save Tax Refunds: More than 100 million families receive federal
income tax refunds each year. Averaging more than $2,000, tax refunds present a unique
opportunity for families to save. Taxpayers can already instruct the IRS to directly deposit their
refunds and dedicate a portion to an IRA or other savings vehicle. Today, the Treasury and IRS
announced that taxpayers will have another savings option beginning in early 2010 — the ability
to use their refunds to purchase U.S. savings bonds simply by checking a box on their tax return,
without having to open an account at Treasury or take any other action, and even if the taxpayer
doesn’t have a bank account. The savings bonds would be mailed to the taxpayer. Taxpayers will
be able to purchase bonds in their own names beginning in 2010 and to add co-owners such as
children or grandchildren beginning in 2011.

(3) Allow Unused Leave to Be Converted to 401(k) Savings: Every year, millions of workers
leave their jobs and receive substantial payments, often in cash, for unused vacation or other
similar leave. For many employees, this money could easily be saved. Treasury and the IRS are
issuing two rulings today describing how employers can allow their employees to contribute
those amounts to their 401(k) plan. As an alternative, the rulings also give employers the option
of making their own contribution of these amounts to their employees’ 401(k) or other plan.

(4) Explain Saving Options: Employees changing jobs and receiving payments from a
retirement plan face a number of choices, including a tax-free “rollover” of their benefits to
another retirement account. These choices are not always well understood. Today, Treasury and
the IRS are issuing a plain-English road map for rollovers to help workers keep their savings in
tax-favored retirement plans or IRAs until they are ready to retire, rather than withdrawing cash
earlier, subject to tax penalties. The road map is an updated model notice for plans to give
departing employees. It clearly explains how to roll over plan balances, the key decisions, and
the tax consequences. In addition, the IRS has created new user-friendly web site materials to
help employers select an appropriate retirement plan and to help employees better understand the
benefits of saving for retirement.

To read the Treasury and IRS rulings and materials, please visit http://www.irs.gov/retirement.

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BUILDING ON EXISTING OBAMA RETIREMENT PROPOSALS

The Obama Administration is committed to giving tens of millions more Americans more and
better choices to save for retirement through their jobs and receive tax benefits for doing so. The
president will continue to work to expand and strengthen employment-based retirement security.
Today’s steps complement two important initiatives included in President Obama’s budget:

• Create Automatic IRAs: IRAs are intended to give a tax-favored saving opportunity to the
millions of workers — about half the American work force — who have no workplace
retirement plan. Yet fewer than 1 out of 10 workers who are eligible to make tax-favored
contributions to an IRA actually contribute to an IRA, while 9 out of 10 workers
automatically enrolled in a 401(k) plan continue to make contributions. When enacted by
Congress, the Administration’s proposal will automatically enroll workers without workplace
retirement plans in IRAs through payroll deposit contributions at the workplace. The
contributions will be voluntary — employees will be free to opt out — and matched by the
Savers Tax Credit for eligible families.

• Reform and Expand the Savers Credit to Match Retirement Savings: The expanded
Savers Tax Credit will match the retirement savings of millions of families. It will match half
of families’ savings up to $500 per individual each year and deposit the tax credits directly
into the individual’s 401(k) plan account or IRA. The credit will be available to low- and
middle-income working families, including those who earn too little to owe income taxes.


2 posted on 09/05/2009 10:37:53 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Cindy
make it easier for American families to save for retirement.

Save what?

Are the 10+ % that aren't working gonna find this makes it easier than ever to contribute to thier 401k's?

Oh, and, retirement is scheduled to require much less savings, isn't it, owing to it's mandadory shortening under Universal Healthcare>

3 posted on 09/05/2009 10:38:05 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (hang the Czars.)
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"or in the previous two years of this recession"

Dude is smokin' weed again, I tell you!

4 posted on 09/05/2009 10:39:10 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer uses George Orwell's book "1984" as a "How To" guide.)
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To: Cindy

I wonder how this will dovetail into the dems plans from march to put everyone’s 401k holdings into the general fund... Originally slated for October.


5 posted on 09/05/2009 10:39:42 PM PDT by sten
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ON THE INTERNET:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/WeeklyAddress/2009/050909-FSDQNN/050909_WeeklyAddress.mp3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgLnt2PBczs


6 posted on 09/05/2009 10:40:15 PM PDT by Cindy
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Well I’m curious just what he wants me to save, barely make the bills now, didn’t get a raise the last two years...


7 posted on 09/05/2009 10:43:08 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Uncle Miltie
"or in the previous two years of this recession"

LIAR!

Here are the GDP Growth Rates by Quarter for the last few years:

2007-I 1.2
2007-II 3.2
2007-III 3.6
2007-IV 2.1
2008-I -0.7
2008-II 1.5
2008-III -2.7
2008-IV -5.4
2009-I -6.4
2009-II -1
A Recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth. So, this one started in Q3 of 2008. We are now in Q3 of 2009.

The Recession is ONE YEAR OLD YOU LYING SACK OF SH*T!

8 posted on 09/05/2009 10:43:32 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer uses George Orwell's book "1984" as a "How To" guide.)
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To: Cindy

Guess we have yet another thing to shut down.

Van Jones... CHECK
Healthcare
The rest of the czars
Cap’n’Tax
Whatever-the-hell-this-speech-is-about
401k tax
Impeachment

I’m sure I’ve missed a few.


9 posted on 09/05/2009 10:44:03 PM PDT by TheZMan ("I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.")
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To: Cindy

Until the punitive view of small busines changes, screw you Mr. President.

I have no incentive to invest or work as long as the govt tells me they are capping my deductions and making it impossible to make good money for taking a risk. I would rather sit on my butt, have a cigar and cocktail, and tell potential workers no when they asked to be hired.

I am under pressure to deliver particular software but it will cost me my deductions to make more money. Welcome to disincentive time. I will sit back and watch the flowers grow: that helps no one.


10 posted on 09/05/2009 10:44:09 PM PDT by wireplay
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To: Cindy

If we hadn’t been forced to fork over half of our income, we wouldn’t be broke when we retire! Obama is taking what little is left of our hard earned money and spending it like a kid in a candy store!


11 posted on 09/05/2009 10:44:38 PM PDT by CaribouCrossing
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A bit Off [Thread] Topic

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/FeaturedCategories.aspx?sid=1805

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http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=336955542241664

“Other People’s Money”
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, September 04, 2009 4:20 PM PT

SNIPPET: “Economy: The jobless rate has hit a 26-year high. More than 200,000 jobs were lost last month. Yet the White House continues to claim its stimulus legislation is working. When does the charade end?”


12 posted on 09/05/2009 10:44:55 PM PDT by Cindy
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"You’ll be able to check a box on your tax return to receive your refund as a savings bond."

AHA! Now we know the real reason for this gambit:

"Invest your tax refund in GOVERNMENT DEBT SO I CAN SPEND SOME MORE!!! - 0BUMMER

13 posted on 09/05/2009 10:47:42 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bummer uses George Orwell's book "1984" as a "How To" guide.)
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To: Cindy

Hey O! Instead of more gubmint crap, how about you lower taxes so I can keep my own money?


14 posted on 09/05/2009 10:48:12 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
"You’ll be able to check a box on your tax return to receive your refund as a savings bond."

Well, that would apply to the tax refund. I'm wondering if the proposed 401(k) will be a government-managed fund, or any "qualified plan" run by your choice of private companies such as Fidelity Investments. Wanna bet this is another "public option" to unfairly compete with private enterprise?

15 posted on 09/05/2009 10:55:11 PM PDT by RhoTheta (Wipe out capitalism, no more money. You following me camera guy?)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Why in the hell would that do that when they can roll out another attempt at social engineering under the guise of freedom and 45% of Americans believe it?


16 posted on 09/05/2009 10:55:47 PM PDT by gura (R-MO)
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To: Cindy

POTUS muzzie Hussein and his comrades can keep their skinny communist fingers out of my pockets and I’ll be just fine.


17 posted on 09/05/2009 10:57:27 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Cindy

This is the same scheme as his:

1) Two trillion dollar deficit reduction plan that assumed Iraq war would continue at the same rate of spend for the next decade

2) Two trillion savings from health care because all parties (hospitals, pharmas and others) agreed to cuts

3) Saving the planet plan that magically makes auto makers meet the ridiculous and impossible 36 mpg CAFE standards by 2013

4) His plan that would keep unemployment from exceeding 8%

Etc. etc. etc.!!


18 posted on 09/05/2009 10:59:55 PM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: Cindy
families to save a portion or all of their tax refunds

What 'tax refunds'?!!!

19 posted on 09/05/2009 11:02:20 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Uncle Miltie
The Recession is ONE YEAR OLD YOU LYING SACK OF SH*T!

YES HE IS! Obama lies about everything including health care!

He has never had anyone challenge him on his statements until now! And it certainly isn't the media challenging him (as they should have years ago) it's the American citizens which makes it even more important to keep up the heat on him!

20 posted on 09/05/2009 11:06:57 PM PDT by kcvl
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Thank you! The awful, black joke of the day: now that Obummer has our economy comatose and on life support, he’s creating ways for us to invest in it. Gee, thanks, Barry!


21 posted on 09/05/2009 11:10:31 PM PDT by JohnQ1 ("Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever." Oscar Wilde)
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Note: The following post is a quote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2333227/posts

Obama promotes saving as recession hits nest eggs
breitbart ^ | 9/5/09 | CHARLES BABINGTON
Posted on September 5, 2009 11:07:11 PM PDT by Nachum

WASHINGTON (AP) - The recession has eaten into people’s nest eggs so the government is promoting ways to make it easier to save for retirement.

One initiative that President Barack Obama outlined in his weekly radio and Internet address Saturday will allow people to have their federal tax refunds sent as savings bonds. Others are meant to require workers to take action to stay out of an employer-run savings program rather than having to take action to join it.

“We know that automatic enrollment has made a big difference in participation rates by making it simpler for workers to save,” Obama said. “That’s why we’re going to expand it to more people.”

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


22 posted on 09/05/2009 11:14:44 PM PDT by Cindy
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Bottom line, he is looking for ways to let him use your tax refunds for his socialist agenda. Then when the money is gone, you’re SOL.


23 posted on 09/05/2009 11:16:03 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Uncle Miltie
"You’ll be able to check a box on your tax return to receive your refund as a savings bond." AHA! Now we know the real reason for this gambit: "Invest your tax refund in GOVERNMENT DEBT SO I CAN SPEND SOME MORE!!! - 0BUMMER _________________________ BINGO! Photobucket
24 posted on 09/05/2009 11:17:23 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Cindy

They should also make interest earned on savings accounts exempt up to at least $400.00 like it was in the past. Actually, to adjust for inflation, it should be higher than $400.00.


25 posted on 09/05/2009 11:35:21 PM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty
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To: the invisib1e hand

More unicorn farts.

If they want people to save just stop holding interest rates artificially low.

Contrary to Obamaknowledge, most people who earn their own money are smart enough to figure out that savings accounts paying interest rates below the rate of inflation costs them money.


26 posted on 09/06/2009 12:41:11 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("You can't kill the beast while sucking at its teat." - Claire Wolfe)
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To: Iron Munro

It’s a scam.

He’s boxed in, having promised to deliver the moon to the poor, and unable to borrow a red cent from China anymore.

He has no choice but to fail or seize yet another great store of wealth and this time he has drawn a bead on our retirement savings.

The legislation will be another 1400 page bill no-one is allowed to read before they vote on it, and when the dust settles, the government will own your entire retirement account.

Rational argument will not change his course of action.

How bad do YOU want to keep YOUR money?


27 posted on 09/06/2009 1:25:06 AM PDT by jeffers
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This scam isn't even half-clever, because at the rate this illegal 0bamunist regime is spending us into national bankruptcy (at a rate of 3 million dollars a minute!), there won't BE any 'retirement' possible for American workers in the future, and everyone ought to understand that.
28 posted on 09/06/2009 2:45:21 AM PDT by mkjessup (Hey Comrade 0bama? No documentation = No eligibility, ok? Now GTF out of OUR White House!!!)
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To: Cindy

What income tax returns???? They can cook the books on the unemployment numbers now but it’s going to show up somewhere. Wait until next April 15th.


29 posted on 09/06/2009 3:07:12 AM PDT by HarleyD
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LOL Investing means there has to be something to invest IN. Putting resources into stocks that lose money, banks that go under, securities that aren't secure isn't real helpful.

Μολὼν λάβε


30 posted on 09/06/2009 3:30:53 AM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" or "come get some")
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To: Cindy

>>Third, we’ll make it possible for employees to put payments for unused vacation and sick days into their retirement plan if they wish. Right now, most workers don’t have that option.

That’s hilarious! My company already did that—until the IRS swooped in a few months ago and said that we had to stop it because it was an “option”. Apparently, it is OK if it’s mandatory for all employees to put excess leave into the retirement account, but it it’s optional, then the employees that DON’T do it must pay TAXES on unused leave at the end of the year. So we had to end the practice.

The company has been doing it for 20 years without any problems, but now that Black Jesus is in the WH, it’s got to stop. Now we see why. He plans to take away something we already had...and then give it back as a gift.


31 posted on 09/06/2009 5:09:24 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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I recall our Congress back in the 1980s convinced everbody that Social Security taxes needed to be reaised in order to prepare for the Baby Boomers retirement.

What did the govt do with this money? Did they save it for us(I retire next year). Hell no. the spent it.

They lied once, they will lie again.

and the GOP is as complicit as the Dems.


32 posted on 09/06/2009 6:01:46 AM PDT by bestintxas
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There is so much in this that raises concerns for me. How much of this is being implemented by presidential edict? Where is the authority to do these things?

Out of it all, this excerpt is the scariest


More than 100 million families receive federal income tax refunds each year. Averaging more than $2,000, tax refunds present a unique opportunity for families to save. Taxpayers can already instruct the IRS to directly deposit their refunds and dedicate a portion to an IRA or other savings vehicle. Today, the Treasury and IRS announced that taxpayers will have another savings option beginning in early 2010 — the ability to use their refunds to purchase U.S. savings bonds simply by checking a box on their tax return, without having to open an account at Treasury or take any other action, and even if the taxpayer doesn’t have a bank account. The savings bonds would be mailed to the taxpayer. Taxpayers will be able to purchase bonds in their own names beginning in 2010 and to add co-owners such as children or grandchildren beginning in 2011.

So many problems with this. First, 100 million Americans are currently allowing their money to be used interest free by the government. Collectively, we are floating a $200 billion dollar interest free loan to the treasury (if the figures given are to be believed). That’s a bad thing. Freepers, please, review your tax situation. If you are getting a “refund” that’s a very bad thing. You are giving the government an interest free loan. And you risk not getting that money back. Ask your friends from California about this. Everyone should check their tax situation, and claim your deductions and exemptions so that your withholding is as close as possible to your actual tax bill. Try hard to make you April 15 “annual settlement” with the tax man an amount less than $100.

Then, the “savings bond” for your “tax refund” is just a voluntary (for now) way to get people used to the idea of getting their money back in the for of an IOU. How long before the US treasury issues IOU's to everyone, like California. How long until the check box on the form is automatically filled in for you.

Much better to endorse your “refund check” and deposit it in your personal IRA. Better still, divide your typical “refund” amount by 12, and set up an automatic monthly transfer into your IRA for that amount, and adjust your withholding to put that much back into your paycheck. You'll get interest or dividends from your IRA for the entire year for the money you would have given interest free to the government.

And I’m very skeptical about the “automatic” stuff _resident Obama speaks of in this plan. Where does the Congress (article 1) or the Executive (article 2) get the power to open any savings account, IRA or whatever on my behalf?

The fact that the _resident is suggesting the savings bond for your tax refund makes me wonder how long before refunds will be held up in limbo because the money isn't there to return.

33 posted on 09/06/2009 7:58:14 AM PDT by cc2k (When less than half the voters pay taxes, it's called "taxation without representation.")
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To: Cindy

Is this yet another UNION bailout? I do not trust these liar and thieves when they start sticking their greedy fingers into Americans retirement accounts.


34 posted on 09/06/2009 8:01:41 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Iron Munro

Right! Current CDs are 1 year at 1% Stagnant money growth. Fed Reserve bank discount rate is close to zero. Banks will mortgage you for 4.75 but will NOT pay you 4.75 if YOU loan them money by putting it in their bank. No sense to this.

Earlier post is right- The ALARM should go out on the “streamlined” automatic 401K/IRAs. If, by this legislation the Feds are trying to tap into private savings plans by changing the rules to make them “public”, in order to raid them for “general revenue” funds (like they have done every year since LBJ with Social Security) then we need to STOP this NOW! Find out now. If it is this raid then a run on the accounts needs to occur- but where to put it since it is all paper. Imagine the theivery of a govt. that causes money to be withheld from pay, gets that money monthly and then, having overtaxed us, offers to “refund” our overpaid taxes back to us in the form of “conversion” to a savings bond. This costs them nothing- except interest payments for the bonds. Already loaned them the money for a year at no interest. Thanks, I’ll keep the cash upfront.
If China wont buy our T-bills maybe we can soak the regular tax payer by making their private accounts public and raiding them. Bastards. We must stop this NOW!


35 posted on 09/06/2009 8:09:48 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Cindy

Read the text.

He claims he going to things that are already being done.

He is so stupid it makes me sick.


36 posted on 09/06/2009 8:23:58 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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