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More US wealthy opt to surrender their citizenship
http://www.wealth-bulletin.com/rich-life/rich-monitor/content/1054959505/ ^

Posted on 09/06/2009 3:05:12 AM PDT by Maggie Maggie Maggie

As offshore havens comply with transparency demands, a growing number of ultra-wealthy Americans are handing back their passports

Private client lawyers and relocation specialists are reporting a surge in wealthy Americans living abroad who are prepared to give up their citizenship to avoid the scrutiny of US tax authorities.

Although such a move means they have to pay an exit tax, lawyers say this is a price people have become more willing to pay this year, now the fall in asset values has reduced the size of the imposition.

Jay Krause, a partner at private-client specialist law firm Withers, said: “The number of inquiries from US citizens wanting to expatriate from their citizenship has increased rapidly in the last year.”

The level of interest is set to increase following the tax disclosure deal between the US Government and UBS of Switzerland, involving the names of 5,000 alleged US tax evaders being handed over to the authorities. The UK concluded a tax deal with Liechtenstein last week.

Because of this, many ultra-wealthy individuals who have chosen to become stateless now cruise outside coastal waters in their mega-yachts in the belief that if they stay on the move, tax authorities will not be able to catch up with them. One analyst who did not want to be named, has estimated the number of stateless tax evaders amounted to a few thousand.

This implies the quantity of money outside the grasp of global tax authorities could be trillions of dollars. Under US tax laws, the worldwide income of any US citizen or resident is subject to tax. The US is the only country in the world that requires its citizens to stump up, no matter where they live.

Krause said current economic conditions are making it more conducive for Americans to contemplate paying exit tax demands from the US Internal Revenue Service. “The mark-to-market provision in the Exit Tax from the IRS is a big incentive,” he said.

In the final months of the Bush administration, the US Government introduced a package of tax reforms that included an amendment to the exit tax on US citizens and long-term green card holders who expatriate the US.

The tax allows US citizens and permanent residents wanting to renounce citizenship or permanent residency to pay a one-off income tax on gains over $600,000 (€420,000). All assets beyond this amount are valued at mark-to-market.

The exit tax allows a clean break from the US tax system from the date of expatriation without imposing the previous 10-year period after expatriation where tax rules used to apply – another big incentive, say lawyers. One of the other benefits of the amended exit tax is that a former US citizen who has expatriated will be able to travel to the US without his income becoming taxable. Under the previous exit tax this was not possible.

Krause said many people looking to give up US citizenship are accidental Americans. These are either those born in America when their non-citizen parents might have been living there for a short period, or the offspring of an American parent living abroad. Both categories qualify automatically for US citizenship.They may not take up a US passport, but they will still be subject to US taxes unless they expatriate. “More and more accidental Americans are looking at the fall in asset prices in the last year and taking up the option to expatriate,” said Krause.

Official figures on US expatriate cases reported by the IRS every quarter show about 90 people giving up their citizenship in the first half of 2009.

But one prominent lawyer, who did not want to be named, said: “There has been for some time a view that the IRS has been under-reporting these numbers.”

The IRS denies this. Some argue the figures are more or less meaningless. John Gaver, who edits right-leaning website Action America, said in an article published on the site: “What these lists fail to show is the vast and increasing numbers of wealthy US citizens who are just ‘dropping out’ – taking all of their wealth and leaving the US without renouncing. They just disappear off the US tax rolls and appear on some other country’s tax rolls.”

Anecdotal evidence also suggests there has been a surge of inquires from Americans looking at taking up citizenship of another country.

Christian Kälin, a partner at residence and citizenship planning consultancy Henley Partners, said his firm has had a big rise in such inquiries.

He said: “Tax reasons might be the biggest reason why US citizens will want to drop their passports, but security issues will also influence their decisions.

“For example, we saw a huge surge in inquires from US citizens contemplating acquiring an alternative passport after the Mumbai killings.”

The terrorist attacks in Mumbai last November targeted Americans among other foreigners.

Kälin said citizenships of the Caribbean Islands and western European countries prove to be the most popular for ex-American passport holders.

He said: “St Kitts and Nevis is the favourite alternative citizenship option for US citizens. Many will also be looking at Austrian citizenship, but it costs the most.”

St Kitts and Nevis is favoured for its perceived security, while Austria is one of the few European countries where it is possible to purchase citizenship.

Typically, it will cost $400,000 to secure a St Kitts and Nevis passport, whereas Austrian citizenship might run into several million euros.

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1 posted on 09/06/2009 3:05:12 AM PDT by Maggie Maggie Maggie
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie; PAR35; AndyJackson; Thane_Banquo; nicksaunt; MadLibDisease; happygrl; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 09/06/2009 3:09:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

If these ultra-wealthy just want to not pay their taxes it seems like the best strategy would be to join the Obama administration an pull a “Charlie Rangel”.


3 posted on 09/06/2009 3:15:59 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

I’m never going back either. We need more of you wealthy types to move to Tokyo and create some nice international businesses here.


4 posted on 09/06/2009 3:23:03 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

“What these lists fail to show is the vast and increasing numbers of wealthy US citizens who are just ‘dropping out’ – taking all of their wealth and leaving the US without renouncing. They just disappear off the US tax rolls and appear on some other country’s tax rolls.”

Sounds like a good option. Next, find a country with no income tax. Question, can you still use US banks without penalties. This might be a way to go for not-so-wealthy retired people, assuming they can still collect on Social Security.

At least it will keep the next generation of lawyers employed. We can’t have them on the breadlines.


5 posted on 09/06/2009 3:25:31 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie
Not to worry, If tese Americans want to avoid Obama's wealth confiscation schemes, its just fine.

They can always become Americans again by going to Palestine, Yelling, Alahu Akbar!" and getting an immigration visa under Obama's " I Love Palestinians" immigration program.

6 posted on 09/06/2009 3:25:41 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

while Austria is one of the few European countries where it is possible to purchase citizenship


sorry but there is nothing like a “citizenship” for sale in Austria. While it´s definitely true that it´s easier to gain a citizenship if you are rich (because what state would say no to some extra tax money for free?) it cannot be purchased.


7 posted on 09/06/2009 3:26:32 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: Jonny foreigner

WADS of cash, obliging bureaucrats, and an urgent need for fresh travel papers are a connection that in most countries is dealt with by the police. But there is a respectable end to the trade. In most rich countries a hefty investment brings a visa that can eventually turn into a passport: $500,000 typically secures an American “investor visa”. For the British equivalent it is £200,000 ($392,000). But three countries—Austria, and the Caribbean island states of St Kitts and Dominica—have refined the process further, offering citizenship, in effect, for cash.

For the typical respectable applicant, a rich person from a poor country who wants to avoid hassles with visas, it looks tempting. Awarded to foreigners who provide scientific, artistic, cultural or economic benefits (ie, investment), an Austrian passport—which requires neither prior residence in Austria, nor any knowledge of German—allows visa-free entry to 125 countries and territories; St Kitts and Dominica allow entry to more than 50, including Britain (but not America). Compare that to 25 mostly poor countries for Indian passports. Customers may also be people from countries such as America, whose citizenship may expose them either to terrorism, or to the tax authorities. …

http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=E1_RGPPPDN


8 posted on 09/06/2009 3:38:11 AM PDT by Maggie Maggie Maggie
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To: NTHockey

You would be surprised how simple it would be to “drop-out” and keep using US banks. Once you open an account with a bank in the US...it’s pretty much permanent. They will never go back and ask questions. There is the issue of income and social security numbers....but frankly, if you only keep enough cash in a checking account to cover travel and local bills....and never show any income, then IRS never gets in your business.

As for countries willing to take you....there are probably over forty that you can work various deals with. Panama is currently one of the top ones that openly recruit....but you’ve got various options. The advantage with most of these is that they really don’t have sophisticated means to track your wealth, so other than property taxes....they won’t be in your face.

It won’t surprise me if half a million Americans “drop-out” in 2009/2010. The curious thing is that they will move their US wealth....without the involvement of the IRS and avoid further issues or taxes.


9 posted on 09/06/2009 4:00:32 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

Also you can do “investor visas” and similar very easily. In the Philippines, simply buy a condo unit for $40K USD in an approved area and get an R1 visa. Costa Rica, Panama, Belize etc. have similar setups.


10 posted on 09/06/2009 4:03:40 AM PDT by ikka (Brother, you asked for it!)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie
I would think the ultra wealthy would band together, hier some organization like Executive Decision and Blackwater to build a small army and take over some little backwater country, then set up their own gov’t with their own rules (like no income/wealth taxes).

Then they wound’t have to worry about the IRS.

Sounds like some Action Movie plot, but it could work.

11 posted on 09/06/2009 4:09:49 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

Awarded to foreigners who provide scientific, artistic, cultural or economic benefits (ie, investment), an Austrian passport.


this is true. but this is a special exception and to get this you will have to proof that your citizenship will be a
extraordinary benefit for the public and the republic of austria. btw. you still will have to serve your time in the Austrian military first (if you are male and younger then 35) before you get this. they make no exception on this it doesn´t matter how rich you are.


12 posted on 09/06/2009 4:17:56 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

If immigration reform passes, this becomes more of a viable option for more people.

Then people will be able to renounce their American citizenship and not have to live in a foreign country- and instead just stay here as undocumented workers.


13 posted on 09/06/2009 4:24:29 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: NTHockey
Question, can you still use US banks without penalties.

Who cares? Use HSBC, UBS, RBS, Fortis, any one of a large number of major and stable International banks. ATMs work world-wide...;)

Open the account in an overseas locale, and the foreign office will not have visibility into it save balances. For example, an HSBC account opened in Hong Kong keeps your information private; using the HSBC branches in the US means you can withdraw or deposit, but nothing else is reported/tracked.

14 posted on 09/06/2009 4:25:19 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the Defense of the Indefensible)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie
So, what's the difference between this "exit tax" and the Reichsfluchtsteuer?

Regards,

15 posted on 09/06/2009 4:33:14 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

Don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.


16 posted on 09/06/2009 4:36:50 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie; Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; ..
There are over 144,000 IRS employees, more than the FBI and the CIA combined! Why does our country need more people to investigate our citizens than to spy on our enemies? It's time to end this punishing, controlling and oppressive atrocity known as the IRS. The solution has been before Congress since 1999. It's called The Fair Tax Act(HR25/S296). The Fair Tax will replace all federal income taxes with a national sales tax and abolish the IRS. Fair Tax ping!


17 posted on 09/06/2009 4:43:28 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Action-America

ping!


18 posted on 09/06/2009 4:52:54 AM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: CapnJack
They would have to do some heavy buying off or blackmailing of politicos here to keep from being bombed or even nuked for some phony excuse of being a rouge (tax free) state.
19 posted on 09/06/2009 4:55:20 AM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

No Good Bastards. Make their millions off the system we have in place and at the first hint of trouble, they are scurrying like the freakin’ rats they are. I WOULD LOVE to see the list of names. And if they honestly believe by renouncing their citzenship of this great country, that they are protecting their money and assets.......wait till foreign factions find out who they are and how much they have. GOOD RIDDENCE you cowards and don’t come back.


20 posted on 09/06/2009 4:56:45 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

America left so why shouldn’t they?


21 posted on 09/06/2009 4:56:56 AM PDT by TPOOH (I wish I could have been Jerry Reed.)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

ups. this topic reminds me that my US passport expired years ago :-) i have dual citizenship Austria/US but i never used my US passport not even when i visit the US.


22 posted on 09/06/2009 4:59:50 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: Wolfie

The thing that we think of that makes a true American, existed even before Columbus found America.

It has always existed in the minds of productive people, farmers, merchants, craftsman that someday what they make with their sweat and ingenuity would be theirs to keep, and not forced over to a emperor, a king, piles of minions, dukes and royalty and their spawn or government Senators and a welfare state and all its hack employees.

American is a place, it is a state of mind.

The United States Government is not American.

Most of the people alive today, that are American, have never been to America. They are people that want to live free and productive lives. I meet them everywhere in my travels.


23 posted on 09/06/2009 5:21:59 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Outlaw Woman
Make their millions off the system we have in place and at the first hint of trouble, they are scurrying like the freakin’ rats they are.

The "system" on which millions were earned is no longer in place. We have psuedo-communists running the White House, Senate, and the House of Representatives. Given the opportunity, I'd consider leaving as well.

Charlie's not just in the wire, he's in the White House.

24 posted on 09/06/2009 5:30:04 AM PDT by meyer (Do not go gentle into that good night - Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie
Private client lawyers and relocation specialists are reporting a surge in wealthy Americans living abroad who are prepared to give up their citizenship to avoid the scrutiny of US tax authorities.

BS, ROFLOL

25 posted on 09/06/2009 5:35:10 AM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: meyer
They did make their millions on the system; it didn't happen overnight....they accumulated the wealth under the CAPITALIST/FREE MARKET SYSTEM. Now, instead of fighting for the return of that they choose to run. Want to leave? Go... Don't stay and fight for the nation. It's despicable that people with the resources to help combat this choose to protect ‘it’.
Many of our predecessors lost their fortunes but the cause was greater than the wealth they had. With Liberty you can pick the pieces and start over. Tyranny smothers all opportunity. So if they want to renounce their citizenship I say go for it BUT DON'T COME BACK when the dust settles.
26 posted on 09/06/2009 5:42:52 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie
It's hard to fathom going Gault and abandoning America. I love America for our Constitution and the freedom to chose one’s own life that flows from that original source. I suppose if getting out of Dodge was the only way to keep the government from taking my life's work or live as I choose, it could be the option of last resort.
27 posted on 09/06/2009 5:46:15 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Man50D
And you wonder why we have US$2 TRILLION in American-owned assets involved in the cash-only underground economy and somewhere between US$12 and US$17 TRILLION in American-owned assets funneled out via tax loopholes to offshore financial centers around the world, all in the name of tax avoidance. This much liquidity--if returned to the US financial system under better tax circumstances--would stop the current economic malaise IMMEDIATELY and provide a new liquidity base for business loans and lines of credit so necessary for economic recovery.
28 posted on 09/06/2009 5:51:22 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

“accidental Americans.” I hadn’t seen that term before, but it does seem appropriate to a country which ceases to be a nation and becomes just a geographical location.


29 posted on 09/06/2009 5:55:33 AM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: Leisler

So we owe nothing to the U.S.? No loyalty, no fealty? Nothing other than offering up our sons and daughters to die on foreign soil?


30 posted on 09/06/2009 6:06:12 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Outlaw Woman
They did make their millions on the system; it didn't happen overnight....they accumulated the wealth under the CAPITALIST/FREE MARKET SYSTEM. Now, instead of fighting for the return of that they choose to run. Want to leave? Go... Don't stay and fight for the nation. It's despicable that people with the resources to help combat this choose to protect ‘it’.

You've got to know when to hold 'em, and know when to fold 'em.

Who says that they are not fighting the battle after they leave? It's certainly better to preserve ones' wealth than to have it stolen by a communist-leaning government. For at least if they preserve their own wealth, it will not serve to feed the enemies of a free, capitalist society. Certainly, if Obama's thugs tax it away, it will not only be useless to the cause of freedom, but will also serve to arm and feed those that despise freedom.

31 posted on 09/06/2009 6:07:53 AM PDT by meyer (Do not go gentle into that good night - Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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To: Wolfie

No, we don’t. Nothing.
We are born free, not servant to anyone, for any reason, and no one is master.

We are the thing. It is just us. Everything else is symbolic representation of us. The symbols are not the reality.

The governments, are just manufactured political tools to be exist only so long as they are useful for our God given rights. Which they are not, and have not for a long time.

The Government of the US, and the various State and local governments are rights destroying, slave and serf manufacturing political engines.


32 posted on 09/06/2009 6:20:43 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: GBA

You can take the constitution out of the country. I’d say 99.9% of the political thought came from out side the country. Locke, Montesquieu, Italian city states, the Dutch Republic, Rome and Greece.

Free states come and go, mainly were there are free people.


33 posted on 09/06/2009 6:23:49 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Man50D

Thank you. I’m reading the second Fair Tax book right now.

It seems to me that one thing I haven’t seen mentioned about the fair tax is the incentives. We all know incentives get people to do things to their own best advantage. Thus this thread about renouncing US citizenship.

But what about the incentive for the US Government under the Fair tax? When ALL Federal income is derived from a tax on sales, this would certainly give the Feds incentive to increase the take to the Treasury, by making the business environment more conducive to MORE business. We’re talking massive reformation here. More and more obstacles to doing business would be removed to increase the $ to the Treasury.

The US would become THE place to do business. We could actually outgrow Obama’s financial mess.


34 posted on 09/06/2009 6:25:51 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: Outlaw Woman
Angry, aren't you?

They did make their millions on the system; it didn't happen overnight....they accumulated the wealth under the CAPITALIST/FREE MARKET SYSTEM.

Perhaps those people don't want their successes to be confiscated by a malevolent socialist government and redistributed to an illegal or the local crack-whore.

35 posted on 09/06/2009 6:29:41 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Leisler

Okay, but “You’re Not Really Fighting For Anything” isn’t going to look good on a recruiting poster.


36 posted on 09/06/2009 6:31:57 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Outlaw Woman

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams


37 posted on 09/06/2009 6:33:16 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Wolfie
So we owe nothing to the U.S.? No loyalty, no fealty? Nothing other than offering up our sons and daughters to die on foreign soil?

My father fought in World War II against the totalitarian governments of NAZI Germany and Imperialist Japan. I have many friends that fought against the communists in Korea and in Vietnam. I have an uncle, deceased, that fought in all three wars.

Right now, individuals with the very same socialist/communist mindset of those enemies against whom we fought, are in positions of power in our government, and they are doing their very best to expand that power. They are destroying the very freedoms that so many have fought to preserve.

The country's at that turning point. The government is financially and morally broke. They WILL go for individual's assets in order to expand their power and protect their balance sheet for a few more months. I simply cannot fault people that want to protect that which THEY ALONE have earned from the thieves in Washington.

Long ago, I pledged allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it once stood, one nation, under God, indivisible, and with LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. That republic no longer stands, and "liberty and justice for all" are just words to be memorized.

38 posted on 09/06/2009 6:35:45 AM PDT by meyer (Do not go gentle into that good night - Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

I agree with you Outlaw Woman. This country needs patriots today more than ever in my lifetime. Things get tough and these fools pick up their marbles and leave. Is money the most important thing in your life? If so, leave my homeland to save your precious dollars. A real American fights to change the perceived failings of his government. For all of your wealth, you are pathetic.


39 posted on 09/06/2009 6:44:58 AM PDT by ditto h
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

Under US tax laws, the worldwide income of any US citizen or resident is subject to tax. The US is the only country in the world that requires its citizens to stump up, no matter where they live.


does this mean i have to give up my american citizenship before i try to enter the US again to enshure that i could not get taxed? Does anyone know? i´m confused right now (i really never thought about this before i read this topic). i was born in the US (which technically makes me a US citizen) but spend my whole live in Austria (i´m a Austrian citizen per birth too beacuse my parents are Austrian). i visited the US 3 times as a “tourist” using my Austrian Passport (like i do everytime when i travel) instead of my american.Does this mean it was pure luck that the US government didn´t notice it when i entered the USA that i´m a US citizen too and there
for could tax me even i don´t live in the US?


40 posted on 09/06/2009 6:46:13 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

“Christian Exodus” has some interesting info re “personal secession” and resettelement areas:

http://www.christianexodus.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=9&Itemid=66


41 posted on 09/06/2009 7:03:59 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (POWER TO THE PEOPLE)
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To: Man50D

ping


42 posted on 09/06/2009 7:29:41 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

I suppose if I worked hard and took risks and finally became successful enough for the scumbag politicians to paint a target on my back, I’d look for a way to shelter my money, too.


43 posted on 09/06/2009 7:37:11 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie

I suppose if I worked hard and took risks and finally became successful enough for the scumbag politicians to paint a target on my back, I’d look for a way to shelter my money, too.


44 posted on 09/06/2009 7:37:13 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Maggie Maggie Maggie; TigerLikesRooster; M. Espinola

Not just the “wealthy” are planning to leave. I talked to a young woman yesterday. She agrees with me that Zero is out of control. She sees no way to survive as a young conservative in Oregon. Methinks she will soon sell her real property and go ex-pat in a foreign nation.


45 posted on 09/06/2009 8:20:54 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: Big Giant Head
But what about the incentive for the US Government under the Fair tax? When ALL Federal income is derived from a tax on sales, this would certainly give the Feds incentive to increase the take to the Treasury, by making the business environment more conducive to MORE business. We’re talking massive reformation here. More and more obstacles to doing business would be removed to increase the $ to the Treasury.

The US would become THE place to do business. We could actually outgrow Obama’s financial mess.

Under FairTax, the USA will become essentially the world's most favorable business environment because of no more taxes on earning money. That right there will bring at minimum US$20 TRILLION in repatriated American-owned liquid assets and new foreign investments in the USA, essentially the world's largest "private bailout."

46 posted on 09/06/2009 8:26:19 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: NTHockey
John Gaver, who edits right-leaning website Action America, said in an article published on the site: “What these lists fail to show is the vast and increasing numbers of wealthy US citizens who are just ‘dropping out’ – taking all of their wealth and leaving the US without renouncing. They just disappear off the US tax rolls and appear on some other country’s tax rolls.”

John used to post here as ActionAmerica until he was banned for criticizing Bush.

47 posted on 09/06/2009 8:40:43 AM PDT by esarlls3
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To: Sarajevo

“Perhaps those people don’t want their successes to be confiscated by a malevolent socialist government and redistributed to an illegal or the local crack-whore”

Again.......I repeat.....go.......but once the dust settles don’t expect to come back to open arms. And further more, I’d like to start taking bets on the ratio of these people that voted for this marxist to begin with. Oh but surprise, surprise, they are on ‘the list’. Good Riddance.....they better hang onto their precious wealth while they can because where ever they go...it will be up for grabs. They can run like the damn rats they are or stay and fight with us that they consider specks upon their shoes.


48 posted on 09/06/2009 9:03:04 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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To: Sarajevo

PS.......Angry? That doesn’t even scratch the surface.


49 posted on 09/06/2009 9:06:18 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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Fantastic post dfwgator


50 posted on 09/06/2009 9:09:10 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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