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From Abu Ghraib To Kabul, Blackwater Members Are Drunk (propaganda)
Al Noor Newspaper (Baghdad) ^ | 06 SEPT 2009 | Not Given

Posted on 09/07/2009 6:43:33 AM PDT by BCW

An American newspaper has revealed a new scandal committed by Blackwater (actually it was Armor Group - foreign 3rd world personnel) security guards protecting the American Embassy in the Afghan capital city of Kabul. The newspaper published a report titled ‘This is what our children are doing abroad’. The report said, “They are drinking vodka and peeing on themselves like animals. They intentionally run outside naked and then pour vodka over each other’s asses.”

The newspaper wondered, “What makes the Pentagon deal with these ‘special companies’ that cause harm and kill in a criminal way?” The newspaper noted, “Their ‘gay members’ act in a bad manner at a time when the Pentagon leadership and the Commander in Afghanistan (General McChrystal) are talking about a new strategy to ‘win hearts and minds’.”

The newspaper emphasized, “These companies are very frightening because they are working without any set standards or laws, and especially because they are working in ‘combat zones’.”

The newspaper pointed out that, yesterday the ‘Project on Government Oversight (POGO) Institute’, an independent project to ‘supervise’ (US) government work, has exposed a report about the dangerous and perverted behavior of Blackwater Company’s security guards, a company that committed many massacres in Iraq.

The newspaper pointed out that the POGO Institute immediately sent a letter to the US State Department informing the Department about these guards’ behavior. The newspaper called the guards “scumbag mercenaries.” The report pointed out that Hillary Clinton must be made aware of this perverted behavior of the guards that the Pentagon is paying $180 million dollars to guard the (Kabul) Embassy.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: blackwater; civiliancontractors; enemypropaganda; smearcampaign
During the completion of the new Granada Mosque, which was marked by celebratory announcements July 10, 2003 of a “return of Islam to Spain,” disconcerting statements were made by European Muslim leaders. Specifically, the keynote speaker at this conference, Umar Ibrahim Vadillo, a Spanish Muslim leader, encouraged Muslims to cause an economic collapse of Western economies (by ceasing to use Western currencies, and switching to gold dinars), while the German Muslim leader Abu Bakr Rieger told Muslim attendees to avoid adapting their Islamic religious practices to accommodate European (i.e., Western Enlightenment?) values.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1211

this is no lie - moslems can't tell the truth about anything...and yet they want us all to convert to their way of life...

1 posted on 09/07/2009 6:43:33 AM PDT by BCW
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To: BCW
I'd rather be around drunk Blackwater operatives than any evilcrat. These are by-and-large great Americans doing a job our gooberment does not have the balls to do themselves. I will NEVER forget what the head choppers did to them in Iraq early on... payback is a b!tch ain't it haji!?

LLS

2 posted on 09/07/2009 6:58:51 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

From what I heard, it was not Blackwater. The name of the contractor was Wackenhutt. The same group the State of Florida fired to provide security at the freeway rest areas.


3 posted on 09/07/2009 7:08:44 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: BCW
not a Blackwater contract - another

also, I believe I read the partiers were not US personnel.

4 posted on 09/07/2009 7:14:17 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: BCW
They intentionally run outside naked and then pour vodka over each other's asses.

Well who hasn't done that once in awhile?

5 posted on 09/07/2009 7:17:46 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: mazda77

Wackenhutt provides Security Guards for malls. If they are providing security in Kabul, we are in trouble.


6 posted on 09/07/2009 7:17:58 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

Yea, I knew that I stumbled across them someplace outside of a war zone. No disrespect to the people who have a job in service of their livlihoods but sometimes we have to go by Harry Callahan’s words; A man has to know his limitations.


7 posted on 09/07/2009 7:21:46 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“I’d rather be around drunk Blackwater operatives than any evilcrat.”

Are you sure about that? Did you see the pictures?

It looked like a street party in San Francisco.


8 posted on 09/07/2009 7:21:54 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: BCW

In the case of ArmorGroup, unlike
US Embassy Employees Fired in Kabul, Afghanistan: ArmorGroup Terminates 14 After Reports of Inappropriate Behavior
Date: September 4, 2009
Blackwater, it’s a UK-based security company, so the UK government should also have been monitoring them and making sure they adhere to international standards of behavior.

ArmorGroup meanwhile has also announced they are replacing their senior management team at the embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan immediately. If the pressure keeps mounting though from watchdog groups and private citizens, it’s likely the US government will be replacing ArmorGroup at the US embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan. And maybe this time, the US government can keep watch too?

snipped from
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2142673/us_embassy_employees_fired_in_kabul.html?cat=62


9 posted on 09/07/2009 7:24:11 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: BCW

Why does this just seem like another weekend in San francesspoll?


10 posted on 09/07/2009 7:28:18 AM PDT by sten
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To: BCW

That was not my experience with the Blackwater guys. They saved my bacon more than once in Iraq.


11 posted on 09/07/2009 7:33:00 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: mazda77

I saw a Wackenhutt recruiter at a EMS/Fire Expo. I thought they only provided paramedics and firefighters to military bases.
If I were younger, I would have considered going over because the pay is good and you get much needed experence.


12 posted on 09/07/2009 7:35:13 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( If this be treason, then lets make the best of it.)
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To: mazda77

Thak you for the update.

LLS


13 posted on 09/07/2009 7:35:19 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: webstersII
I know some Blackwater agents... and I have been to one of their firearms training centers that has appeared on Outdoor TV... so yes... by-and-large these are real Americans. I do not know what happened in this event... but to paint Blackwater... which I was just informed in this thread that this group WAS NOT Blackwater... is just wrong.

LLS

14 posted on 09/07/2009 7:39:41 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: BCW

Any idea of the nationality of the perps?


15 posted on 09/07/2009 8:30:12 AM PDT by marron
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To: BCW

Based on a thousand years of European history, and the current economic climate, there is a big future for Xe (Blackwater), if they play their cards right. They could become as significant a player in US foreign policy as the French Foreign Legion (FFL) is to the France.

To start with, the idea of large, standing armies is pretty much a 20th Century idea. It began in earnest with the Napoleonic wars of the 19th Century, when Napoleon was able to assemble a Grand Armee of about 1m citizens, as a “mass army”, but not a professional one, in addition to his professional army.

This overcame the long use of mercenary armies, who were much cheaper, and didn’t cost a nation much in terms of its own blood. Even small countries that could scrape together the funds could be militarily powerful.

Then in the last half of the 19th Century, technology forced the major powers to create powerful draftee armies, which were all in place by the time of the first World War.

However, even the largest and most powerful of modern armies can only be committed with political will and the willingness to expend a *lot* of money. And this deprives their foreign policy of the ability to intervene in small, but extended missions in unpleasant places, with their own sons.

France is unique in having preserved its FFL, but the FFL has proven to be very useful in tasks that the regular French army would not. And this is the value to the US as well.

To start with, there are some strong advantages to the US having a “foreign legion”, if we can follow the French example.

One ground rule is that these mercenaries will need to be off US soil. Likely on a Caribbean island. This benefits both us and them, because they remain a semi-private organization, not a government entity. Being offshore, they can recruit non-American citizens from around the world, but would keep US officers.

And the US doesn’t have to worry about them making trouble in the US, also because their transportation and logistical support would come from the US military.

The biggest advantage is that they can be deployed with a simple contract to places the US military doesn’t want to go, and at far less cost. If we already had them, for example, they would have been excellent peacekeepers in both the Rwandan genocide, and the current unpleasantness in Darfur, Sudan.

They can also be attached to NATO forces, put under foreign or even UN command, with US permission, but cannot be obliged to do things they don’t want to do. That is, they neither have to sign the contract, nor stay in a contract that requires them to do something they don’t want to do.

And the money saved is substantial. As light infantry, most of the expense is in their wages, not technology. They mostly carry small arms, and most of what they do is not active combat, but “place holding” missions, protecting civilians from brigands, keeping humanitarian aid from being looted, as body and security guards for VIPs, and providing security and military technology advice to friendly nations.

As such, they cost only a fraction of the cost of US military personnel, doing tasks our military personnel don’t want to do, and most importantly, freeing up our military personnel to do the important missions.


16 posted on 09/07/2009 8:37:57 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: BCW

Al-Taqiyya


17 posted on 09/07/2009 8:53:23 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: webstersII

They weren’t Blackwater so you are way off base.


18 posted on 09/07/2009 9:30:53 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: webstersII
"Are you sure about that? Did you see the pictures?"

What part of "They weren't Blackwater employees...they were Armor Group employees!

Also, there were no Blackwater personnel involved at Abu Ghraib.

Finally, there no "Blackwater" personnel any more....

19 posted on 09/07/2009 6:37:24 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

This all sounds pretty well though out....Except for one small problem (which a visit to the Moyock facility would make very clear)....Xe doesn’t train, or send in-country, mercenary armies...


20 posted on 09/07/2009 6:42:54 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: webstersII

It was Armor Group and they hired 3rd world nationals to do the perimeter guard - this is what happens when alcohol meets people who have never had it - or money for that matter....

the whole purpose of the article was to smear BW again - and they had nothing to do with it - Arabs lie - and they lie big time...


21 posted on 09/07/2009 6:45:19 PM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com)
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To: SuperLuminal

Business models change. Xe is at least positioned and staffed to do this kind of work. Plus, they could probably afford to purchase and outfit a Caribbean island as their headquarters. They could hire a legion of Gurkhas, Sikhs, South Koreans, and other such light infantry talent. They would be out of the legal limelight, as far as US lawyers are concerned, a big plus.

With success, they might eventually create a mainland Africa base, since it is likely much of their activities would be conducted there, acting as a neutral peacekeeping force.

Ironically, a national military force that is ideally suited to do much the same work, but in the Middle East, is the Iraqi Army. Right now, they could easily equip and train an international grade force of two to three brigades to act as “Muslim peacekeepers”, through most of the Muslim world. With Shiite, and Sunni, and Kurds, they are not inherently a problem about anywhere.

For example, a brigade deployed to southern Lebanon would be far more effective than the UN forces there now. They would supplant Hezbollah, protecting the Lebanese Shiites from the other Lebanese, not be aggressive to Israel, not be offensive to Lebanese Sunni, or even Christians. What a juggling act.

Possibilities of the future.


22 posted on 09/07/2009 7:15:28 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I like that Idea for Xe.
And the nice part is that there are Many Islands that would qualify. Xe Island; not the least bit catchy, but workable.


23 posted on 09/14/2009 8:46:07 AM PDT by RevWillie56
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To: RevWillie56

Clinton Secretary of State Madelyn Albright used the scheme of whenever anything happened around the world, to send some small, mostly unsupported, detachment of US military personnel to hang out there. In her mind, they were nothing more than beat cops. Extremely expensive ones, however.

So one of the first things W. Bush had to do was launch a quiet recall of most of these forces back to the US. But this raised a question: isn’t there a better, and a lot cheaper way, for the US to “show it cares?”

That is, we were stuck in the position where we either had to use high quality US military forces for jobs that entailed just standing around and keeping two tribes from throwing spears at each other, or just ignore it. There has to be a middle ground.

And this is where a foreign legion of light infantry comes in handy. They let the US poke its nose in places where maybe it should, like the Rwandan genocide, yet do it with mercenaries, not our sons and daughters, and at a fraction of the cost.


24 posted on 09/14/2009 10:22:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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