Why I'm a Mormon Democrat

Patheos.com ^ | Sept. 1, 2009 | Boyd Peterson

[DelphiUser]

Hey Foxy, it's been to long!

LOL! (You prove MY point...)

Madly57: "Mormonism is heresy, plain and simple."
ME Spoken like every "Christian" church since Jesus".

greyfoxx39 responds with a list of Mormon leaders starting with George Q. Cannon that have criticized what they saw going on in, and I quote "various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom".

The best you can do is say that Mormons have done it too?

ROTFLOL!

George Q. Cannon was pointing out the reality that all of "christendom" that believes the trinity, which is a dogma created by Constantine at a convention (that he convened) of some of the bishops in his kingdom (he did notify the Pope, Sylvester later). For a fun time looking at some of the names "Christian churches" have been calling each other, Google: Christian churches name calling

One of the links on the first page is from the Westborough Baptists (Other baptists have told me they are not really Baptists) and the Trinity Foundation who says This:

"American Christians of the twentieth century are, for the most part, a pusillanimous bunch. About the only time they shed their timidity is in order to attack a fellow Christian who is valiant in defense of the truth. A Christian like that is perceived as a threat to the “unity of believers” and the “peace of the church.” Confronted with such a manifest threat to unity and peace, some professed Christians can be quite vindictive and vicious"

Yep, sounds about right, anyone who doubts this can look at the Mormon threads on Freerepublic where people attack us, or the Catholic threads where people attack them, or well pick a religion, do a search here or with Google and I'm sure you can find people attacking your selected religion for daring to believe something different than what they believe.

It gets a little boring if you ask me. (I know, I know, you didn't ask...)

But why don't you guys do something interesting, like go to a Muslim board and attack Moslem's, that would be fun to watch. :-)

For more information on the Trinity and how it came about from a non-Trinitarian, and the Catholic enclyclopedia online's records, Click: The Trinity (First Council at Nicea).

This is a link to a section of My Page on Freerepublic.

To all who read this, I would like to testify that God lives, Jesus Christ is his son. Jesus died on the cross to atone for all the sins of all mankind and me and if we will accept him as our savior and keep his commandments we will be saved with him in the kingdom of his father. I further testify that the Book of Mormon is indeed a record of Jesus Christ's visit to the Americas after his Crucifixion, to visit a remnant of the tribes of Israel as was prophesied in the Bible; and that as the Bible promised, their records would come forth and Join the Bible as Scripture. These things I testify of in the name of Jesus Christ my Lord, my Savior, my God.

Go with God, my he enlighten the minds and quicken the understanding of all that are willing to hear his word.

[Lachoneus]

Mormon Democrats are few and far in between. There is a reason Bill Clinton came in third in Utah. I think I'm really starting to pick up on your consistent stream of Mormon threads. Is it because you fear the success of Glenn Beck and what he represents to this great country?

Did you know the book he's been promoting, The 5000 Year Leap, was written by a prominent Mormon?

Mormon Democrats are few in numbers.

Here's a little dose of medicine to put this thread in perspective. This was from LDS prophet and president Ezra Taft Benson, one of my favorite in modern times.

“The proper function of government is limited only to those spheres of activity within which the individual citizen has the right to act. By deriving its just powers from the governed, government becomes primarily a mechanism for defense again bodily harm, theft and involuntary servitude. It cannot claim the power to redistribute wealth or force reluctant citizens to perform acts of charity against their will.”

[greyfoxx39]

Is it because you fear the success of Glenn Beck and what he represents to this great country?
Did you know the book he's been promoting, The 5000 Year Leap, was written by a prominent Mormon?

And we are supposed to be surprised that Beck, a mormon, is pushing a book by a mormon in accordance with the mormon practice of "everything mormon is considered good"?....you must not listen to or watch Beck if you aren't aware of his mormon-ness...he shills for the church a lot.

[Lachoneus]

Thanks for making my point. FR loves Glenn Beck. That must irritate all you anti Mormons to no end.

The increase in all your anti Mormon threads does not go unnoticed.

But go on saying Glenn shills for the church a lot, I’m sure that will gain you favor in the eyes of many here... not.

[Colofornian]

Is it because you fear the success of Glenn Beck and what he represents to this great country?

Hey, I had Mormon blood in my body well before Glenn Beck was even heard of.

Mormon Democrats are few in numbers. Here's a little dose of medicine to put this thread in perspective. This was from LDS prophet and president Ezra Taft Benson, one of my favorite in modern times. “The proper function of government is limited only to those spheres of activity within which the individual citizen has the right to act. By deriving its just powers from the governed...

Well, that's interesting that you should cite Mr. Benson, who certainly had an idea of what government was about having served in the Eisenhower admin. So, Mr. Benson said that government's powers is derived "from the powers from the governed" + government has "limited...spheres of activity" eh?

Well, Mr. Benson gave an interesting 1980 speech @ BYU. In it he delves in-depth in talking about the spheres of authority that a Mormon "prophet" holds over a Mormon politician or officeholder... [Kind of interesting that the MSM had a limited 1960 debate about the Pope's potential influence upon John F. Kennedy, but we somehow sidestepped that same debate in 2007 -2008 about the Mormon "prophet's" potential influence upon Mitt Romney]:

In the speech, Ezra T. Benson was identifying 14 descriptors of an LDS "prophet" (Here are some of them…note particularly #8, #9, #10...& imagine a future LDS prophet consistently implementing these edicts from his so-called spiritual leader on earth):

1. The Prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything. The Doctrine and Covenants states, ‘We are to give heed unto all his words as if from the Lord’s own mouth.’”

3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet. The living prophet has the power of TNT [Today’s News Today]. The most important reading we can do is words of the prophet contained each week in the Church News or the Church magazines.”

5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. Sometimes there are those who feel their earthly knowledge on a certain subject is superior to the heavenly knowledge which God gives on a subject....We encourage earthly knowledge in many areas, but remember—if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet and you’ll be blessed, and time will vindicate you”

8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning. There will be times when you will have to choose between the revelations of God and the reasoning of men—between the politician or professor”

9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter—temporal or spiritual. In a meeting in Kirtland, Joseph Smith asked the elders to draw a line of demarcation between the spiritual and temporal so he could understand it. No one could do it. Then he said ‘...temporal and spiritual things are inseparably connected and ever will be."

10. The prophet may be involved in civic matters. When people are righteous, they want the best to lead them in government. Great leaders in the Book of Mormon and in church history have been involved deeply in political matters. Those who would remove prophets from politics would take God out of government.”

14. The prophet and the president—the living prophet and the first presidency—follow them and be blessed; reject them and suffer.”

On top of that, we need to also take note that Mitt Romney & other Lds believers have vowed that they would "consecrate himself, his time, talents and EVERYTHING he now has, or WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE, for the building up of the Kingdom of God here upon the earth, and FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ZION."

(Allow me to define "Zion" as the LDS PR Web site defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church.")

So. Questions: Would a Mormon president not only, in your mind, derive his powers from the governed -- but would that also come through a hierarchy whereby the Mormon "prophet" is above the Mormon U.S. president?

And how can a Mormon officeholder recognize "limited spheres of activity" in light of Benson's numbers 8, 9 & 10 where he talks about a Mormon "prophet" impacting politicians via revelations, temporal matters, civic matters, and political matters?

And how can a Mormon officeholder refuse his vow to consecrate ALL his or her present & future resources to build up the Mormon church -- and you still place that under an umbrella of "limited spheres of activity?"