Posted on 09/07/2009 2:46:50 PM PDT by conimbricenses
I do not purport to take a stance on the Obama birth certificate controversy, save to say that his refusal to release the full document is suspicious. I do take issue with falsehoods being put up in Obama's defense though. One of those falsehoods is currently being used to "debunk" the rumor that Obama was born in Mombassa, Kenya instead of Hawaii. The false claim is that Mombassa was part of Zanzibar in 1961 when Obama was born, and it is being repeated without scrutiny by the slothful mainstream media.
As with so many things about Obama, this claim is false. Mombassa and Zanzibar were both part of the British Protectorate of East Africa in 1961. Zanzibar is an island 30 miles off the coast of Africa and well south of Kenya. Mombassa was briefly a part of Zanzibar in 1963 due to the partitioning and independence of Great Britain's various colonial holdings. It was ceded to the newly formed nation of Kenya later that year. In 1961 though, Mombassa was definitely part of the British East African Protectorate and had been for over half a century.
A little history of Mombassa:
Mombassa, a prominent port city, was formally annexed by the Sultan of Zanzibar in 1887. As British presence grew in the region of what would become Kenya, the Sultan formally reliquished the administration (though not title of land) to Mombassa to Britain in 1887. In 1890 the Heligoland-Zanzibar Treaty between Britain and Germany gave Zanzibar and all its holdings to Britain. The last resistance against British rule on Zanzibar island was quashed in the Anglo-Zanzibar war of 1896, and the puppet administration Britain installed there formally gave up any claim to Mombassa in 1898. Mombassa remained firmly in British hands until Zanzibar's independence in 1963 shortly before Kenya's. This includes the time when Barack Obama was born. Not only that, but Mombassa was actually the CAPITAL of British East Africa from 1898 to 1905, before it was moved to the present capital of Nairobi.
A simple glance at any historical map of Africa reveals that the claims about Mombassa being a part of Zanzibar are a myth (largely because Mombassa and Zanzibar were BOTH part of the British East Africa protectorate at this time in history). Simply look at the following images and see for yourself. Mombassa is on the mainland just west of the 40 degree longitude and the 4 degree latitude intersection.
1876 pre-British map of Africa - Mombassa (known as Mombas) is part of Zanguebar (Zanzibar)
1892 German Map of Africa - Mombassa (listed as Mombas) is part of "Brit. Ost-Afrika" and "Sansibar" is a British Protectorate. This map was drawn shortly after Britain acquired Zanzibar, and thus Mombassa, in 1890
1895 Map of Africa - Shows Mombassa, along with the island of Zanzibar, as part of British East Africa.
1900 Map of Africa - Mombassa is part of British East Africa
1911 British East Africa Map - Shows Mombassa in British East Africa (the island of Zanzibar is also included as a British protectorate)
1913 Map of Africa - Mombassa is part of British East Africa
1922 Map of Africa - Mombassa is part of Kenya Colony, British East Africa
1960 National Geographic Map of Africa - Africa as it approximately appeared at the time of Obama's birth. Mombassa is part of "Keyna, U.K." as is Zanzibar Island.
Here are several additional historical maps of Africa showing Mombassa. Each proves that the claim about Mombassa being a part of Zanzibar at Obama's birth is a myth.
Good catch.
Thnak you for researching and posting this.
Like you I do not know the truth about obama’s birth. only obama knows
but using untruths to debunk something is typical laziness of media and obama allows and encourages misinformation
Thanks for posting this. I sort of thought something like this might be the case from an earlier posting and doing a little looking on the web, altho I was not sure. :)
These are interesting facts, but as any facts they are irrelevant to the Left.
Oops. Date correction - the Sultan of Zanzibar acquired Mombassa in 1837. He granted Britain administrative power over the city in 1887, and Britain acquired it, along with all of Zanzibar, as a protectorate from the treaty with Germany in 1890.
Your spelling of the city name is Mombassa. Google Mombasa Kenya, one “s” and you will find plenty of references. The birth certificate on WND shows the spelling with 1 “s”. The following is lifted from Wikipedia:
“On 25 May 1887, its administration was relinquished to the British East Africa Association (see Kenya). The sultan formally presented the town in 1898 to the British. It soon became the capital of the British East Africa Protectorate and is the sea terminal of the Uganda Railway, which was started in 1896. Many workers were brought in from British India to build the railway, and the city’s fortunes revived. On 1 July 1895, it became part of Britain’s Kenya protectorate (the coastal strip nominally under Zanzibari sovereignty).
Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mombasa
Whether or not that clarifies things I can’t say but at least there does seem to be a Mombasa, Kenya and if one uses Wikipedia, there may have been some ambiguity as to how it was referenced in the past.
Ping!
Mombassa, Mombasa, and Mombas are used interchangeably in historical documents and maps from the late 19th and early 20th century. As with many African language names, the letter-to-letter translation to English is imprecise.
Mombasa was also the capital of what was historically known as the “Seyidie Province” of British East Africa. Seyidie was also called the “Coast Province” and “Southern Coast Province” on maps and English language documents - consistent with the names given for the purported Obama hospital.
Might one not question how the entire area is/was referenced almost 50 years ago? Once more, what is important is that there is a legitimate question that has been raised and the easiest way to answer it is to see the vault birth certificate from Hawaii, assuming that there actually is one.
We can see where the White House did not vet Jones—what’s to say that the appropriate people in charge during the election bothered to vet Obama? The whole eligibility issue is a serious matter and as such, is one deserving of a legal answer, not legalistic double-talk and obfuscation.
leased to British Protectorate
http://www.mombasainfo.com/about-mombasa/history-culture/history-of-mombasa/
At the age of 17, Mercury and his family fled from Zanzibar for safety reasons due to the 1964 Zanzibar Revolution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGUdjHUVd18
Kenya began it’s independence in 1957 and the first president of the Kenya African National Union political party was elected in 1960.
“In 1957 African members were elected to the Legislative Council through a direct election. 1959 saw the release of Kenyatta from detention in Kapenguria. Kenyatta continued with campaign for freedom while under house arrest. In 1960, the colonial government announced plans to transfer power to a democratically elected government. In 1962, the Lancaster constitution conference was held in London where the 1st Kenya constitution was made. Kenya achieved internal self-government on June 1st 1963. Kenya was declared a republic on December 12th 1963 with Jomo Kenyatta as 1st the president. Kenyatta died in 1978 and Daniel Arap Moi took over. “
“Jomo Kenyatta is still in detention in 1960, but his colleagues elect him president of their newly formed political party KANU (Kenya African National Union). He is released by the British in 1961. In London in 1962 he leads Kenya’s delegation in the negotiations for independence. The new nation is to include the coastal strip which until this time has been leased from the sultan of Zanzibar.”
The Zanzibar thing was discussed last month several places in the FR link below. Freeper BP2 has this info.
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ad21#ixzz0QShcG3Pc
http://www.enhols.com/kenya_safari/history.aspx
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306351/posts?q=1&;page=4062
Thanks for the ping...well, maybe we’ll start getting some answers tomorrow.
bfl
Thank you.
Semper Fi,
Kelly
So to put it another way, saying Mombasa was part of Zanzibar in 1961 is like saying Hong Kong was part of China in 1961.
DOJ To Judge: Dump Ambassador Keyes Lawsuit
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm
Obama is using DOJ attorneys to represent him personally. I would think that is illegal. But Obama is obviously using those attorneys to bully the judge who made them answer the suit.
This is a PERSONNEL issue for Obama, and the DOJ has no standing to be representing him whatsoever.
Yeah, pretty much. Sort of like the English flag was raised on Hong Kong island in 1841 but the treaty wasn’t signed until the following year. Or like my grandmother was born and raised in the same house but borders changed several times so it might seem like her family was constantly moving. These things take time. The arguments that Kenya wasn’t a country when Hussein was born don’t hold water.
With Dept. of Justice lawyers, he’s using our tax dollars to fight us.
0bama never refutes the accusations. He just hires attorneys to keep from having to answer questions under oath and publicly.
One would have to be spectacularly ignorant of African history to think Mombasa was not part of Kenya in 1961.
or maybe he doesn't.
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There's STILL some more to this story. Freepers exposed this weeks ago — see more here and read forward (on the LONG 10,000-plus post thread). According to additional research on this subject, there's additional complexities to this chapter of east African history, but it is mostly-correct to say Mombasa was NOT fully Zanzibar Sultan-owned, as it was under dispute by the Sultan, the Germans, the Brits and the even the Locals who felt the area was an autonomous and sovereign state. Since the MSM, DemocratUnderground and KOS use WIKI as their primary reference, it's of little wonder they are so misinformed. A very important aspect of this is that Mombasa lies is what is known as the ten-mile strip. It is a VERY LITTLE KNOWN FACT that it became sovereign approximately two months BEFORE Kenya gained its independence — SEE THE LAST PARAGRAPH AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST. Via various agreements, the Brits leased the strategically-important Ten-Mile Strip coastal region from the Sultan of Zanzibar for £11,000 per year in 1895 — the Germans also had it under agreement with the Sultan in 1890. The Sultan RETAINED OWNERSHIP despite occupation by the British, which made the area UNIQUE from the other lands in the British and German Protectorates.
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| Lastly, this is from a VERY IMPORTANT portion of an Official Kenyan Report on this matter: |
The Constitution of Kenya Review Commission - [Cached Version] Robertson further recommended that the British Government abrogate the 1895 Agreement with the Sultan of Zanzibar and that another Agreement be made between the Government of Kenya and the Sultan of Zanzibar whereby the Sultan of Zanzibar will surrender his Sovereignty claims over the Coastal strip in consideration of the Kenya Government undertaking to respect and safeguarding inter alia the maintenance of the Sharia Law for Muslims and the retention of the Kadhi’s Courts.
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On the 5th October 1963, the said Agreement was actually executed in the form of an exchange of letters between the Prime Ministers of Kenya and Zanzibar Messrs Jomo Kenyatta and M. Shamte respectively.
Hey! This is some of my research! Very cool BP2!
Do a google book search http://books.google.com/
for “Coast Province General Hospital”
The results will prove that the hospital did exist in 1961.
I don’t recall seeing Bing and Bob and Dorothy there.
They are so busted.
The White House didn’t need to vet Jones. He was well-known to Obama and his associates, and they are fully complicit and in agreement with his leftist agenda.
Holy Cow. Looks like my knowledge of East African history was incomplete...
I got lost the last time and ended up in downtown North Africa
Either might be a place to start for research, as both likely have records on him. Locating a signature for comparison would probably go a long way to validating or disproving this certificate, because it is obscure enough that it would be difficult to forge but not so obscure that it cannot be verified at all.
| find an authentic signature of James A.W. Ang'awa. This might not be as hard as it seems to someone who knows where to research. Ang'awa was a fairly prominent doctor in Kenya's early post-independence years. He was a medical advisor to Kenya's Olympics team and studied medicine in the late 50's at the Welsh National Medical School in Cardiff. Here's six references -- any one might have hand-written notes included:
# 1. Tuberculosis in Africans. Prolonged observations on drug sensitivity of M. tuberculosis during chemotherapy. Citation Only Available (eng) By Zykov MP, Egsmose T, Ang’awa JO, Roulet H, Gaya N, Poti SJ, Pneumonologie. Pneumonology [Pneumonologie], ISSN: 0033-4073, 1974 Sep; Vol. 151 (1), pp. 19-32; PMID: 4216010 Database: MEDLINE
# 2. A serological test in tuberculosis. A “blind” trial of the kaolin-agglutination test (KAT) for detection of tuberculosis antibodies. Citation Only Available (eng) By Zykov MP, Geser A, Egsmose T, Godovannyi BA, Donets I, Ang’awa JA, Patel RI, Blocher C, Poti SJ, Bulletin Of The World Health Organization [Bull World Health Organ], ISSN: 0042-9686, 1966; Vol. 35 (4), pp. 581-92; PMID: 5335460 Database: MEDLINE
# 3. Case finding programmes in the control of pulmonary tuberculosis in Kenya. Citation Only Available (eng) By Ang’awa JO, East African Medical Journal [East Afr Med J], ISSN: 0012-835X, 1965 Nov; Vol. 42 (11), pp. 666-72; PMID: 5861867 Database: MEDLINE
# 4. The use of isoniazid among household contacts of open cases of pulmonary tuberculosis. Citation Only Available (eng) By Egsmose T, Ang’awa JO, Poti SJ, Bulletin Of The World Health Organization [Bull World Health Organ], ISSN: 0042-9686, 1965; Vol. 33 (3), pp. 419-33; PMID: 5321762 Database: MEDLINE
# 5. Prednisone in the treatment of patients with pulmonary tuberculosis at Port Reitz Chest Hospital, Mombasa. Citation Only Available (eng) By ANG'AWA J, HAYNES WS, East African Medical Journal [East Afr Med J], ISSN: 0012-835X, 1959 Mar; Vol. 36 (3), pp. 147-63; PMID: 13652828 Database: MEDLINE
# 6. Clinical trials of azacrin in East Africa. Citation Only Available (eng) By ANG'AWA JO, FENDALL NR, The Journal Of Tropical Medicine And Hygiene [J Trop Med Hyg], ISSN: 0022-5304, 1954 Mar; Vol. 57 (3), pp. 59-65; PMID: 13143616 Database: MEDLINE |
This bogus "African Birth Certificate" doesn't say "British Protectorate of East Africa", ergo, it's a fraud. QED.
Yep...it will be interesting today.
Good luck Orly Taits and Lucas Smith...
Gods speed...
Laziness perhaps, but I think it is more "managed news", misinformation by omission. Not only does Obama encourage it, he depends on it. He is a liar and a fraud and that could easily be revealed if our media were journalists instead of co-conspirators.
I think you are correct. And that should make us all outraged
I know MSM is losing numbers but their numbers are still large enough and their influence is far reaching, for now.
I wish there was a way to speed up their demise or a way to get to more millions to show them a way to get all sides of an issue or story
I agree. Unfortunately, the only news most people see is the evening news from the MSM which follows their local news to which they tune in to get the weather and latest sports scores.
Talk radio and the internet are rising in influence and are adding listeners/viewers. That is leaving a big dent in the MSM so there is hope. That is also why Obama and the Democrats want to shut both down.
Robot
This. “That is also why Obama and the Democrats want to shut both down” is creeping toward reality and of course MSM is cheering it on.
I expect the move to shut down to accererate after this summer’s push back against obama and after they had to let Jones go
I don’t know if there is anyone to stop it. obama has snagged more power than any president since FDR .
Thank GOD for places like Free Republic
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This bogus "African Birth Certificate" doesn't say "British Protectorate of East Africa", ergo, it's a fraud. QED. Steve, there's more to this story here. I can't speak for the document(s) having not seen them, but just because the documents don't have "British Protectorate of East Africa" stamped across it, it does NOT necessarily mean the docs are bogus, especially for a non-governmental entity as a hospital. The registrar's office at the time was going through changes in the early 60's, too — see indications of that below. The Muslims who lived in the Zanj, or ten-mile (coastal) strip which surrounded Mombasa (note the spelling), were a very strong political force for the Brits to contend with. The Brits gave the “arabs” of the small, but strategically-important region, more latitude and autonomy than the rest of the protectorate to prevent unrest by the radicals there. Peace talks in London in 1961 (AND BEFORE) signaled that the UK would eventually have to give up the region back to the locals who lived there:
Before Kenya became independent and at the beginning of the Lancaster House constitutional talks, the British Government and the Sultan appointed a commissioner, James R. Robertson in September 1961 ‘to report to the Sultan of Zanzibar and Her Majesty's Government jointly on the changes which are considered to be advisable in the 1895 Agreement relating to the coastal strip of Kenya as a result of the course of constitutional development of East Africa.’ He visited the Kenya Colony, the coastal strip and Zanzibar (note: considered to be three different regions) to collect the views of all the stakeholders. Views were divided as to whether the coastal strip should be treated as a single entity with Kenya Colony, or whether it should be handed back to the Sultan of Zanzibar or it be treated as an independent entity and declared Independent. (source: KENYA REVIEW COMMISSION ON THE KADHI'S COURTS) Part of the deal in which the Sultan of Zanzibar surrendered his Sovereignty claims over the Coastal strip on Oct 5, 1963, was consideration that the Kenya Government would CONTINUE to respect and safeguard the maintenance of the Sharia Law for Muslims and the retention of the Kadhi’s Courts. They were concerned they would be annexed by other countries who followed different factions of Islam. There's plenty of newspapers articles that indicates the people in the Zanj region FORMALLY called themselves KENYA before the rest of the nation. They "formally" became KENYA, on Oct 5, 1963, before rest of the British Protectorate gained its independence from the UK on Dec 12, 1963 — most people are unaware of this (because Wiki doesn't say so - LOL)! Information regarding this is in the LONG 10,000-plus post thread, around the 5,000-post point and beyond. It was a pride and independence thing for the people on Mombasa and the surrounding Zanj, or ten-mile strip region. It was also a VERY important aspect of LAND OWNERSHIP, which is still fought by the people who live there in 2009. |
It would appear that Mombasa became the capital of the British Protectorate of Kenya in 1920...so that is correct on the Lucas Smith certificate.
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Mombasa,+Kenya
Please don’t use wikipedia as a reference. As a teacher, I can tell you that I don’t accept wikipedia as a reference for my students, and neither does any other teacher I know. In fact, referencing wikipedia will net you an automatic F on your paper. Wikipedia is ultimately just two people’s opinion. You should only use it to get ideas to research.It is not an encylopedia.
Curious .. the photography site of his son has been scrubbed.
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Google search result:
William Ang’awa Stock Images
My father the late Dr James Ang’awa influenced my love for photography. ... Mexico 1968 (whilst being the doctor for the Kenya Olympic team) are now lost. ...
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Zanzibar, Zanzibar,
Zanzibar is very far.
You can’t get there in a car.
It’s too far to Zanzibar.
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