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Demasculation of America's Boys
Townhall.com ^ | September 8, 2009 | Rebecca hagelin

Posted on 09/08/2009 4:47:10 AM PDT by Kaslin

Every time I write about how the modern culture seems dead-set on destroying the confidence of America's little boys, I am swamped with e-mail. It seems that everyone with a son or grandson has a story to tell about how manhood and chivalry are under attack. Last week I heard from a dad, Bill, who echoes the sentiments of many: "The boys are getting emasculated and wimpy/passive as they're now intimidated by girls due to fear of sex harassment charges and pro-female/anti male societal/educational tilts."

Sadly, he's right. As a mom of two sons and a youth leader I have seen how boys cringe when television shows depict boys as crude and stupid while the girls are always smart and powerful. I've experienced their confusion when girls snub them for opening the door. One day I observed the pained looks on the faces of male highschool students when a teacher explained that a major assignment would be to watch a movie of their choice and write a paper on how women in the film are discriminated against.

The attacks on our boys are endless and very purposeful: if they are taught to be nothing more than crude dolts then they will become emasculated men who keep to themselves. And the women will end up wearing the pants.

I've also observed on countless occasions a minor, but powerful, display of how ours is quickly becoming a culture where men are having trouble being men: females struggling alone to lift a heavy suitcase into the overhead compartment on a plane all the while surrounded by men who pretend they don't see.

My reader, Bill, also said:

"The feminists that sold us on there being no discernable difference between men and women except their plumbing have done an immeasurable disservice to women, the family, and hence society."

I would add that this trend toward emasculation is also destroying the dignity and potential of countless young boys.

Decide to raise your sons to be gentlemen - that means teaching them to be both courageous and considerate. To create young men of valor, you have to spend a significant amount of time deprogramming them of the lies the culture bombards them with at every turn. Talk about the raunchy scenes in TV shows, commercials and music that depict males as irrelevant or disposable. Or better yet, filter out those messages altogether.

If you are a dad or the primary male in the life of a boy, the most effective method to ensure that he becomes a man of dignity is to consciously model the behavior for him. If you are a mom with no positive adult male to help you raise your son, find one.

Seek out great organizations like the Boy Scouts or find a church family that will help you. In the meantime, develop a habit of reading stories of brave, kind men so they can imagine themselves becoming that way too. One great resource for books, tapes and movies to help you raise boys you can be proud of is www.VisionForum.com.

America really needs more than just a few good men - help your son be one of them.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: agenda; education; emasculationofwomen; feminism; males; moralabsolutes
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1 posted on 09/08/2009 4:47:11 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“When the fairies are displeased with anybody, they are said to send their elves to pinch them. The ecclesiastics, when they are displeased with any civil state, make also their elves, that is, superstitious, enchanted subjects, to pinch their princes, by preaching sedition; or one prince, enchanted with promises, to pinch another.”

(Thomas Hobbes. Leviathan, 1651.)


2 posted on 09/08/2009 4:52:15 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Kaslin

Too few warriors left in the bunch of feminized narcissistic text messaging pukes that call themselves men these days....


3 posted on 09/08/2009 4:54:43 AM PDT by freebilly ( No wonder all the left has a boner for Obama.... There's "Cialis" in "SoCIALISt")
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To: Kaslin

Here in the “south” we still have men who are real men. I see daily evidence of men opening doors, lifting heavy stuff to help someone, and a lot of other gentlemanly conduct. I guess that is because they know that “southern” ladies still expect it and love them for it.


4 posted on 09/08/2009 4:56:11 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Kaslin

Amen. My son is quite comfortable in his own skin and does the small things right — he gets the door for a lady, he is kind, courteous and considerate to the fairer sex — and he’s so good at it, he’s getting to the point where he’s going to have to beat the teenage girls away with a stick :)

Not all women mind being treated well. The young man who understands that his role is to be a gentleman will still go far in today’s world.


5 posted on 09/08/2009 4:56:55 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: Kaslin
I have been say that for years. Every time I see a boy raised in a house were he is not allowed to be a boy it hurts. I agree Scouts is a great way to get our Boys to grow up and be great Men. Unfortunately there are way to many women who will not let there little boys "get hurt", or coddle them all the time. Bumps, bruises, cut, scrapes, scars, are all part of growing up.

I could get on a huge soapbox here. John Eldredge wrote a few books on this topic, I encourage anyone with male children read some of his books.

6 posted on 09/08/2009 4:58:33 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: Kaslin
And the women will end up wearing the pants.

Have you noticed the boys are all wearing skorts these days?

7 posted on 09/08/2009 5:03:42 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: Kaslin

I am a Scout Leader, I have been a scout since 1964 and an Eagle Scout since 1970, and I am honored to be associated with real men of all ages.


8 posted on 09/08/2009 5:05:01 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Kaslin
The attacks on our boys are endless and very purposeful: if they are taught to be nothing more than crude dolts then they will become emasculated men who keep to themselves. And the women will end up wearing the pants.

Algore lived the pampered life, and yet it was a Wolf woman that he hired to teach him how to appear as an Alpha male. And there is nothing new about this just read the story of Deborah in the book of Judges.

9 posted on 09/08/2009 5:08:10 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Not all women mind being treated well.

And, I am one of them. I can very well do things on my own, but there is something "sexy" about a gentleman. Maybe it has to do with respect.

When a man walks in front me, not to open the door for me, but to go through first, that to me is disrespectful. And, I get a lot of that around the work place.

p.s. I would recommend getting rid of the term "fairer sex" because some of us find that a demeaning term. Try female gender instead or lovely ladies or ?????

10 posted on 09/08/2009 5:09:46 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Some people wanted change. Wonder how they like it so far? Want real change, vote em all out!)
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To: Kaslin

The author neglects to mention the proliferation of behavior modifying drugs (Ritalin, Prozac, etc.)which are being prescribed overwhelmingly to young boys. This also contributes to the “wussification” of our youth.


11 posted on 09/08/2009 5:10:12 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: Kaslin
As parents of three daughters, we were often asked when and if we were going to "try for a boy". Our answer was always, "we'll have more boys than we know what to do with soon, and we will trust our girls to choose the boys for our family."

While I am still hopeful that there will be good men left for them to marry, I realize the search might be difficult. My girls have been raised to apply the "gold standard" and to not settle for less than being treated the way their Dad treats me (and them).

12 posted on 09/08/2009 5:11:44 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Get the CZARS together for TAR and FEATHER!)
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To: Kaslin
Indeed!

I teach in an all boys school in Australia, which means we have the luxury of trying to teach them to come out right.

One of the school's explicit aims is to create 'gentlemen' and 'gentle men', with the emphasis on 'men'. Avoiding the idea that creating men who care about other people, means turning them into wimps.

We use Kipling's If.. as our template of what a man is.

13 posted on 09/08/2009 5:15:56 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: P8riot
Thanks for all the work you do and have done, I am a new Scouter. My Son started last year, he is Bear CubScout, and is very serious about it. His goal is to be an Eagle Scout, and I have no doubt in my mind he will achieve his goal. I an the Den leader and the wearer of any hat that needs worn. You can not ask for a better boys program then a well run scout pack/troop. That said, there is no substitute for an involved, male HEAD OF HIS HOUSE, in the boys life.
14 posted on 09/08/2009 5:16:01 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: Kaslin

If men are so disposable, why cant women seem to raise sons alone? Why are so many young men from single women households or homes where men come and go for the night, such a problem for society once they become teens and young adults? Its because women cant do it alone, they cant be a father figure and society is being crippled by it.


15 posted on 09/08/2009 5:18:30 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: Kaslin
with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

Honor was last because it meant the most.

16 posted on 09/08/2009 5:18:35 AM PDT by deadrock (Liberty is a bitch that needs to be bedded on a mattress of cadavers.)
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To: Kaslin

Take a look at the latest tv commercial attack on white men. The McDonalds commercial where some pimp-looking white guy is the semi slave boy for a hulking black athelete, providing the bag of McDonald’s food at the demand of the black guy and never even realizing how bad it makes him look.


17 posted on 09/08/2009 5:21:01 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: naturalman1975

Does your military provide the type of support (overnight billeting, jamboree support, tours) that ours does? I am just curious.


18 posted on 09/08/2009 5:22:26 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: All
Just one example of resistance. Our school's counsellor came up with this idea that to make troublesome boys more sensitive we should make them copy out poems and inspiring verse during detentions.

This is the poem I give boys when I find myself forced to follow her advice.

There's a breathless hush in the Close to-night -
Ten to make and the match to win -
A bumping pitch and a blinding light,
An hour to play and the last man in.
And it's not for the sake of a ribboned coat,
Or the selfish hope of a season's fame,
But his Captain's hand on his shoulder smote -
'Play up! play up! and play the game!'

The sand of the desert is sodden red, -
Red with the wreck of a square that broke; -
The Gatling's jammed and the Colonel dead,
And the regiment blind with dust and smoke.
The river of death has brimmed his banks,
And England's far, and Honour a name,
But the voice of a schoolboy rallies the ranks:
'Play up! play up! and play the game!'

This is the word that year by year,
While in her place the School is set,
Every one of her sons must hear,
And none that hears it dare forget.
This they all with a joyful mind
Bear through life like a torch in flame,
And falling fling to the host behind -
'Play up! play up! and play the game!'


I reckon for a troublesome fifteen year old boy, that type of poem is going to be far more effective than what she had in mind, with a far better message for him.
19 posted on 09/08/2009 5:22:39 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: P8riot

“I am a Scout Leader, I have been a scout since 1964 and an Eagle Scout since 1970, and I am honored to be associated with real men of all ages”

There was a Cuban Troop in So.FL. back in the 70’s that had a group of mothers go on their camping trips and cook. I’m sure the kids all grew up to be fine men and it was culture thing to have the moms cook, but we used to howl with laughter at the the sight of it.


20 posted on 09/08/2009 5:22:46 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Kaslin

Addams Family Values:

Amanda: Is that your bathing suit?
Wednesday: Is that your overbite?
Gary: Now, one of you will be the drowning victim and the other one gets to be our lifesaver.
Amanda: I’ll be the victim!
Wednesday: All your life.


21 posted on 09/08/2009 5:23:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: beachn4fun
p.s. I would recommend getting rid of the term "fairer sex" because some of us find that a demeaning term. Try female gender instead or lovely ladies or ?????

Why?
22 posted on 09/08/2009 5:24:20 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Mygirlsmom
While I am still hopeful that there will be good men left for them to marry, I realize the search might be difficult. My girls have been raised to apply the "gold standard" and to not settle for less than being treated the way their Dad treats me (and them).

I take my girls out on a "Date" a few times a year, each one individually. We have a good dinner at a nice restaurant of there choice, and some activity again of their choice. I want them to grow up knowing how they are supposed to be treated. My wife and I have a wonderful relationship (18 years next month), so I hope my wife has been a good example as to how to treat men, and what to expect and a good relationship.

I have great children that are a joy to be around and can not brag about them enough.

23 posted on 09/08/2009 5:24:37 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: naturalman1975

One word

Australian Rules Football... A man’s sport

OK more than one word.


24 posted on 09/08/2009 5:24:42 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: DYngbld

I’ve found John Eldredge’s books very informative and helpful. Also (with reservations), Michael Gurian’s books.


25 posted on 09/08/2009 5:25:08 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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To: MSF BU

The Australian Army Cadet Corps, the Australian Air Force Cadets, and the Australian Navy Cadets, provide a lot of what is needed for 13 year olds up. And in recent years, police and fire brigade cadets have emerged as well, which also do the same type of thing, but are somewhat more palatable to some mothers.


26 posted on 09/08/2009 5:25:43 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Kaslin

You know, feminists can have their say, and in some arenas they dominate... but I have this theory that if you raise a boy to be a wise, strong, ethical, masculine man, he will never have a problem finding a mate.


27 posted on 09/08/2009 5:26:26 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: naturalman1975

That was quick. And it sounds like you have a portion of the same knucklehead-mothers that we do. Hopefully there are dads, uncles and granddads as a counterweight.


28 posted on 09/08/2009 5:27:38 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: AppyPappy
Aerial Ping Pong... I'm a Rugby Union man (despite having attended an Aussie Rules school, and teaching in one...).

Really any physical sport will do, when you get down to it. We require all boys to do sport year round. Most come to love it.

29 posted on 09/08/2009 5:27:43 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: DYngbld

My late in life baby (Sam) is 7yrs old and is a Wolf Cub. Our pack/troop is all home-schoolers and we have been off for the summer and start up again on 9/14. Sam got his Wolf Cub book back in May and has already completed all but two requirements for his Wolf Badge. He has also earned three arrow points (once he gets his Wolf badge), his Conservation Award, and his Religious Emblem. He wants to be an Eagle Scout too, and at this rate he will, probably by the time he’s 14, like I did.


30 posted on 09/08/2009 5:28:19 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: MSF BU

Yeah, we do - and yeah, lots of men try to make a difference.

But I have to say, if the mothers won’t let their sons be involved in Defence Force Cadets, fire brigade cadets are a great deal better than nothing - there’s nothing wrong with having a fireman as your rolemodel in life.


31 posted on 09/08/2009 5:29:07 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
"We use Kipling's If.. as our template of what a man is."

It's easy to grin
When your ship comes in
And you've got the stock market beat.
But the man worthwhile,
Is the man who can smile,
When his shorts are too tight in the seat.

Judge Smails

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RESISTOR

Swear allegiance to the flag, whatever flag they offer;
Never hint at what you really feel.
Teach the children quietly for, someday, sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still.

Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK)

32 posted on 09/08/2009 5:29:15 AM PDT by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: BlueLancer

I’ll have to check that one out and add it to my repertoire.


33 posted on 09/08/2009 5:32:05 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Women view things from a different perspective. Men want their sons to learn the lessons of life. Women want to protect them from harm and hurt and disappointment. Women want to make excuses for their son’s behavior. That’s why people describe crimes as “mistakes” now. “He meant to go to his locker and get his math book but he raped another student by accident. It’s not his fault. He’s a victim.”. A lot of single moms play the victim role like they were on stage. “He’s a good boy. He didn’t mean to kill that carload of people. It’s not his fault. He got in with the wrong crowd. His father left. He’s all I have. WHAT ABOUT ME?”.


34 posted on 09/08/2009 5:32:12 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: NMEwithin
The author neglects to mention the proliferation of behavior modifying drugs (Ritalin, Prozac, etc.)which are being prescribed overwhelmingly to young boys.

You've nailed it right there--the natural tendencies of young boys are "too inconvenient" for many parents and nearly all educators. The little pill makes things so nice and manageable with barely any effort at all.

That is not to say there are not legitimate uses for these drugs, only that it's waayyyyy too convenient pop a pill rather than work with the child toward modifying behavior, much of which comes from a severe lack of the proper type of attention.

My husband and I have worked with tons of kids, and it's heartbreaking how many are severely lacking in having this basic need met. Oh, they are well fed, have every last "thing" they could ask for, but not the one thing they need the most, which is quality time with the adults charged with molding them into the next generation of responsible adults.

35 posted on 09/08/2009 5:32:12 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Get the CZARS together for TAR and FEATHER!)
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To: Kaslin

Oh, yes indeed.

One of mine was hounded out of a class in the Criminal Justice course entitled Women and Domestic Violence (or something to that effect).

He was the only male in the class and took an inordinate amount of verbal abuse from the girls and women, and the female instructor.

One girl turned in her seat and hit him on the chest.

He dropped the class and changed degree programs.

Yes, he complained but was told he was a big guy (6’ 3”) so too bad about it.


36 posted on 09/08/2009 5:33:29 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: Bulldawg Fan

“If men are so disposable, why cant women seem to raise sons alone? Why are so many young men from single women households or homes where men come and go for the night, such a problem for society once they become teens and young adults? Its because women cant do it alone, they cant be a father figure and society is being crippled by it.”

There are a few single mom lady friends in my life who every now and then call me for advice in raising their boys. At some point or another every one of them have broken down and thought they were a “bad mother”. I’ve told everyone of them that they are not bad mothers, but they are lousy fathers and that is the problem. Getting them to realize they have to get a male figure involved, like the granddad or even the absentee father in certain situations has helped to resolve a lot of issues with the kids.


37 posted on 09/08/2009 5:34:10 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: naturalman1975

I agree. In our country very commonly you get both because of the veterans preferance laws. Massachusetts, despite being a wing-nut commonwealth in many ways, has laws favoring veterans that are so tough that a white male who is not a veteran has a very difficult time becoming a police officer or fireman. The positive side is that both forces get personnel who have already been through the military successfully, and that is a good benchmark for meeting police/fire standards.


38 posted on 09/08/2009 5:34:10 AM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: Kaslin

Ensuring boys do not become more emasculated deserves an entire column in itself. Some ideas:

Throw away your son’s iPod, X-Box, video games, etc.; or ban them except for limited times on weekends, and never during the day in summer.

Get them involved in hard work outdoors — building fences, trail-clearing work (if teenagers), car maintenance, painting outdoors, etc. Boys WANT to be real guys but they need examples from their Dads or other trusted men.

Boy Scouts is great. But most boys outgrow it by 15, totally by 16. So try the local Civil Air Patrol squadron or the local Coast Guard Auxiliary. Both a quasi-military but there will be no shortage of decent men serving as role models, and the boys will get their hands dirty and be doing real work.

Talk to them about the differences between boys and girls and teach them to honor and respect women, first their Mom and sisters, then all others. Tell them to ignore what they hear in school, and on the Disney Channel.

Take them out off-road on ATVs or to the local indoor shooting or skeet range. Nothing makes a 12-15 year old feel “like a man” than when his Dad does such with him


39 posted on 09/08/2009 5:34:38 AM PDT by tom h
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To: Mygirlsmom
That is not to say there are not legitimate uses for these drugs, only that it's waayyyyy too convenient pop a pill rather than work with the child toward modifying behavior, much of which comes from a severe lack of the proper type of attention.

Yes, my sister-in-law is a neurologist involved in researchers here that actually does brain scans looking at the brains of supposedly ADHD boys. Her estimate is that maybe one in ten of them genuinely have a condition that medication will help with. The rest, it's largely lack of discipline.

40 posted on 09/08/2009 5:35:47 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Kaslin

Quote:

The normal range of testosterone is reported as 350- 1200ng/dl. Studies in the 1940’s showed the average testosterone level to be at 700 ng/dl, 300 ng/dl higher than for men today. In the past, a drop in testosterone levels to 250 ng/dl was rarely reported before men were 80 years of age. Yet today, it is not an uncommon value for middle aged men!


41 posted on 09/08/2009 5:35:56 AM PDT by thinking
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To: AppyPappy
One word

Rugby

There, fixed it..

42 posted on 09/08/2009 5:36:06 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: Kaslin

Part of the problem is that women are brainwashed into believing they don’t need men. Hence the divorce rate. Their sons have no male role model after that. Even if Dad is around, he’s not in the house, and kids never miss that point.


43 posted on 09/08/2009 5:37:12 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Kaslin

Doesn’t the author mean “emasculation” rather than “demasculation”?


44 posted on 09/08/2009 5:38:39 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: DYngbld

Great job. Being a good scoter is a lot of work and hassle, but it’s a whole lot of fun. I’m a Webelo den leader, Asst Cubmaster and an Asst Scoutmaster. It keeps me just a little busy but is important and necessary, not only for my boys but for all “my boys.”

A few years ago, I came across an essay written by Herbert Hoover before he was President.

What is a Boy?

You can absolutely rely on a boy if you know what to expect.
A boy is nature’s answer to the false belief that there is no such thing
as perpetual motion.
The world is so full of boys that it is impossible to touch off a
firecracker, strike up a band or pitch a ball without collecting a
thousand of them.
Boys are not ornamental, they’re useful.
If it were not for boys, the newspapers would go undelivered and unread
and a hundred thousand picture shows would go bankrupt.
The boy is a natural spectator; he watches parades, fires, fights,
football games, automobiles and planes with equal fervor.
However, he will not watch a clock.
A boy is a piece of skin stretched over an appetite.
However, he eats only when he’s awake.
Boys imitate their Dads in spite of all the efforts to teach them good
manners.
Boy’s are very durable.
A boy, if not washed too often and if not kept in kept in a cool quiet
place after each accident , will survive broken bones, hornet’s nests,
swimming holes and five helpings of pie.
Boys love to trade things. They’ll trade fishhooks, marbles, broken
knives and snakes for anything that is priceless or worthless.
When he grows up, he’ll trade puppy love, energy, warts, bashfulness and
a cast-iron stomach for a bay window, pride, ambition, pretense and a
bald head and will immediately say that; “boys aren’t what they used to
be in the good old days.”

Herbert Hoover

This is what all boys shoulc aspire to.


45 posted on 09/08/2009 5:39:07 AM PDT by cyclotic (Boy Scouts-Developing Leaders in a World of Followers.)
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To: DYngbld

The girls in my 8 year old grandson’s class are crazy about him because they say he’s one of the only boys that is nice to them. On the first day of school, one of his classmates was in total meltdown. The principal was walking her to the classroom while she cried. My grandson walked up to her and told her that they were in the same class this year and everything would be just fine. The principal thanked him for being so kind to her and the next day summoned him to her office where she gave him a sticker for his kindness. I was very happy to hear that he was acknowledged for being thoughtful.


46 posted on 09/08/2009 5:39:29 AM PDT by surrey
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To: Bulldawg Fan

why are 70%+ of those incarcerated in jails and prisons from fatherless homes?

Why are RINO men little more than sexless neuter metrosexuals?


47 posted on 09/08/2009 5:43:41 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Thommas

We have a women’s rugby team


48 posted on 09/08/2009 5:43:46 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: MSF BU
Nothing wrong with these kids.

Australian Navy Cadets.

Australian Army Cadets

Australian Air Force Cadets

49 posted on 09/08/2009 5:46:13 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: WashingtonSource

I believe he does.


50 posted on 09/08/2009 5:46:59 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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