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Charge parents for public school
Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 09/08/09 | Brian Crosby

Posted on 09/08/2009 6:46:57 AM PDT by freespirited

With states across the country facing huge budget deficits and potential devastating cuts to services, the time has come to start charging parents tuition for their children’s public school education.

If parents of the 47 million students in the United States who attend kindergarten through 12th grade were billed $360 per child per year — that’s $2 a day for each of the 180 days of instruction — nearly $17 billion would be generated.

Can half of America’s parents afford $360 per year for each of their children?

For the price of a cup of coffee, a child can get educated for a day. For the price of a movie ticket, a child can get educated for a week.

For the price of a cellular phone bill, a child can get educated for a month. For the price of a video game console, a child can get educated for an entire year.

Parents spend hundreds of dollars on iPods and cellphones for their children. Is $360 going to break their backs?

However, let’s say only half of the parents can foot the bill. That still leaves $8.5 billion going to public schools....

There should be no sticker shock about this. Parents today pay for athletic uniforms, musical instruments, lab fees, school-embossed clothing, and field trips...

Attaching a price to “free” services will help students and parents understand the value of education. Psychologically it’s interesting how people view something that is free: They tend to place less value on it than if they have to pay for it....

(Excerpt) Read more at ajc.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: arth; bustunions; democrats; education; liberals; nea; propertytaxes; publiceducation; publicschool; publicschools; schools; taxes; teachersunions; tuition; unions
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My view is that we already pay ... through our property taxes, which are many times $360.
1 posted on 09/08/2009 6:46:57 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: freespirited

My view is, high time those who actually use the public school system pay for it. I’m sick of paying for a failing school system that my children don’t use.


2 posted on 09/08/2009 6:48:43 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Boehner Baby!!!)
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To: freespirited

“start charging parents tuition for their children’s public school education.”

I am guessing this person fails to understand income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes - state government, federal government and is simply a shill for the failed teachers union.


3 posted on 09/08/2009 6:48:50 AM PDT by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: freespirited

7 or 8 percent of funding comes from the federal government for k-12 education. Yet they dictate what is taught.

How about doing away with the Department of Education who has never educated a child yet, leave that money in our pockets and then we can pay our property taxes?

Federal government can butt the hell out of our local schools.


4 posted on 09/08/2009 6:50:05 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: freespirited

Hey, I’ll make that switch...

Cut my $3500 school property tax bill and I will pay the $360.


5 posted on 09/08/2009 6:50:13 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: freespirited
My view is that we already pay ... through our property taxes, which are many times $360.

So do people who do not have kids.

And we're pretty pissed about the whole thing.

6 posted on 09/08/2009 6:50:39 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: freespirited

Dear Mr. Brian Cosby:

Not only do parents already pay “tuition” through taxes - but everyone else does to.

As the great thinker Bugs Bunny once said....

“What a maroon!”


7 posted on 09/08/2009 6:51:10 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: freespirited

Yep yep yep - for the price of a cup of coffee, that is the battle cry of the libs, everything can be fixed for the price of a cup of coffee......would that be dunkin donuts coffee, starbucks coffee, honey dew coffee, generic no name coffee?????? I pay property taxes etc. wth are those taxes used for may I ask????????


8 posted on 09/08/2009 6:53:09 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Beat me to it.


9 posted on 09/08/2009 6:53:41 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: freespirited

We are homeschoolers, but I hear the parents of public schoolers are already paying for supplies that once were free (ie, paid for by taxpayers and distributed in school), like pencils, paper, crayons, rulers.
Friends tell me the kids are always coming home with new demands which they relay from the school.
FWIW, here in central PA our property taxes on the main residence come to just 1x $360, and it’s a really big residence.


10 posted on 09/08/2009 6:53:51 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Rebellion is not brewing. Frog is brewing.)
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To: freespirited
For the price of a cup of coffee, a child can get educated for a day. For the price of a movie ticket, a child can get educated for a week. For the price of a cellular phone bill, a child can get educated for a month. For the price of a video game console, a child can get educated for an entire year.

It almost sounds like Sally Struthers speaking on behalf of Save The Children wrote this article...

11 posted on 09/08/2009 6:53:53 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: freespirited
The author: Brian Crosby, a National Board Certified Teacher, is a veteran high school English teacher, author of “Smart Kids, Bad Schools: 38 Ways to Save America’s Future.” He is founder of the American Education Association and writes a blog at brian-crosby.com.

He's a friggin TEACHER and UNION THUG and HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE SCHOOLS ARE FINANANCED!!

This made my head explode.

12 posted on 09/08/2009 6:53:54 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: freespirited
Many of the public schools around here have been destroyed by Black males and many people are sending their children to private schools. Paying for public schools through taxes then paying again for private school.

There are many private Christian schools around here.

13 posted on 09/08/2009 6:53:57 AM PDT by blam
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To: freespirited

Newspapers used to have editors who were older and wiser than the writers. And newspapers used to research and report on actual facts, not just blow smoke out of their moron exhaust systems.


14 posted on 09/08/2009 6:54:11 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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To: mockingbyrd

I tried that argument here at work and did I ever get a mouthful in return from coworkers who have kids. Everyone benefits from an educated youth, want a dumb generation of kids in the future...those kinds of arguments...


15 posted on 09/08/2009 6:55:08 AM PDT by lesko
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To: freespirited
“Psychologically it’s interesting how people view something that is free: They tend to place less value on it than if they have to pay for it”

Then why subsidize it at all?

I remember a story of two parents taking their teenager into school to DEMAND to know why their little urchin couldn't read. The Principal asked “YOU never noticed your child couldn't read?”.

I know that if the parents were PAYING for the child's education they would have paid a bit more attention on their education value per dollar spent ratio.

16 posted on 09/08/2009 6:55:12 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: HIDEK6

I suspect there is a group that is even more pissed: those whose property taxes go primarily to provide services to illegals.


17 posted on 09/08/2009 6:55:22 AM PDT by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: freespirited

Here is a saving idea - 75% all all school money goes towards teachers pay, benefits and PENSIONS. Start cutting there to what you can afford.


18 posted on 09/08/2009 6:55:47 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: freespirited

BTW, $360 is roundly my WEEKLY property tax here in NYC.


19 posted on 09/08/2009 6:56:34 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: freespirited

Dear Brian Crosby,

You moron, we already pay for public schools through our tax dollars. Maybe you need to take ECON 101.

If I’m going to pay again for education I’ll send my kids to private school. No wonder we’re in the shape we’re in - idiots like Brian at the AJC does not understand who pays the bills.

Sincerely,

The Taxpayer


20 posted on 09/08/2009 6:57:08 AM PDT by GOPRaleigh (It's gonna be a loooonnnggg 4 years...)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
FWIW, here in central PA our property taxes on the main residence come to just 1x $360, and it’s a really big residence.

I'm moving there. Please FReepmail me the name of the area if you dont mind.

21 posted on 09/08/2009 6:57:28 AM PDT by freespirited (Liberals are only liberal about sex & drugs. Otherwise, they want to control your life. --DHorowitz)
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To: lesko
want a dumb generation of kids in the future

They mean, more Obama voters?

22 posted on 09/08/2009 6:57:38 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: freespirited

Yes, we do and I wouldn’t be at all adverse to charging for education if these taxes were abolished but since they won’t be then not only no, but hell no!


23 posted on 09/08/2009 6:57:55 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: freespirited

The last time I looked at my property tax bill, there was a category charge for “Public Schools”, further broken down into 2 line item charges of “School-State” and “School- Local”. These charges are well in excess of the $350 already.


24 posted on 09/08/2009 6:58:10 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: freespirited

And does school choice come with this plan?


25 posted on 09/08/2009 6:59:15 AM PDT by IamConservative (I'll keep my money. You keep the change.)
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To: roaddog727

Correction: $350 should read $360


26 posted on 09/08/2009 6:59:49 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: mockingbyrd
I’m sick of paying for a failing school system that my children don’t use.

So was I, and I didn't even have children at the time, so I did something about it. I got involved. Yup, even though I had no children I attended school board meetings, spoke out, and worked on a couple of campaigns of people running for the school board.

I now have a child in public school and I still do it. I can practically hear the "Oh no, not her" through the phone line or from behind a door any time I contact someone in the district office. But guess what? Not a one will ignore my calls or my presence.

27 posted on 09/08/2009 7:00:18 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: freespirited

Besides property tax we pay constantly for our son’s school. The extra fees never seem to stop. He’s a junior now and has his own car, $65 a year for school parking. Last year we were charged for wear to his textbooks. Sports fees never end. Turned in his workout clothes but coach forgot to mark it down, more money. I’d guess we pay between $500-1000 extra every year.


28 posted on 09/08/2009 7:00:22 AM PDT by CA_soon_gone
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To: HIDEK6

Why don’t we charge illegal immigrants? my community has just built
a multimillion dollar school for them that is 85% hispanic. the illegals
pay no property taxes. they receive free healthcare and foodstamps
for groceries. plus, we pay for spanish speaking translators and
bi-lingual teachers. it sucks!


29 posted on 09/08/2009 7:00:49 AM PDT by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: mockingbyrd

>>My view is, high time those who actually use the public school system pay for it. I’m sick of paying for a failing school system that my children don’t use.<<

Amen!

I have owned a house since 1989. I had my first child in 1997. She did a year and a half in school. My younger child did two months. We’ve paid out of pocket for their education ever since.

Time for the parents to pay. Got a cell phone? A car? Buy a lotto ticket? Have cable?
Time for you to pony up to educate your kids.


30 posted on 09/08/2009 7:02:01 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: freespirited
My view is that we already pay ... through our property taxes, which are many times $360.

The property tax as a way to pay for public schools is a failed model. It leaves out the increasing number of people who do not own property but whose children go to school. It also unfairly penalizes those who own property but do not have children, or do not have children in school (kids either too young or already out of school).

Paying for school is the way to go. "Free" public education has been shown to be neither free nor provide an actual education.

31 posted on 09/08/2009 7:02:17 AM PDT by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: freespirited

What the hell does this lib “news” paper think property and school taxes ARE??!!


32 posted on 09/08/2009 7:02:37 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: lesko

>>, want a dumb generation of kids in the future...<<

We are there!
Look at graduation rates in all major cities.

The “education” the kids get is sorely lacking.


33 posted on 09/08/2009 7:04:28 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: freespirited
One guess as to what this authors profession is.

Of course - - - He's a teacher.

34 posted on 09/08/2009 7:06:49 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: mockingbyrd

I agree - if someone doesn’t have kids in school then they should not have to pay that amount of taxes. But, on behalf of those who do have kids in school and who already pay their taxes, the writer of this article can stick it.


35 posted on 09/08/2009 7:09:31 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: freespirited
He neglects to mention that school districts commonly have 3 to 4 non-teaching employees for every classroom teacher.

Folks the money is being pissed away in administration. Fire two thirds of those folks, getting rid of their stupid and time wasting rules, and you've got more than enough money and vastly improved schools.

36 posted on 09/08/2009 7:10:23 AM PDT by jimt
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To: GOPRaleigh
What is truly frightening is, this guy is charged with educating our children.
37 posted on 09/08/2009 7:12:16 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: freespirited
"For the price of a cup of coffee..."

Another "cup of coffee" gone. If I bought 1000 cups of coffee a day, I guess I could afford these dem proposals.

38 posted on 09/08/2009 7:13:01 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: netmilsmom

Our kids have not spent a day in public school, we have paid for private from preschool on up to college. I had to rant this past weekend bc they had little boys in football uniforms asking for $ donations outside of the Safeway. I have had public HS choir/band students come to my door asking to help fund their band/chorus trip to Europe. This makes me lose my mind. We are not only paying private school tuition, AND taxes, but we are also paying fees for every single extra curricular activity/sport that my 3 kids have ever engaged in. Fundraisers are fine, SELL something or perform a service, but the BEGGING for cash literally drives me insane.


39 posted on 09/08/2009 7:13:16 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yep - truly frightening.


40 posted on 09/08/2009 7:14:23 AM PDT by GOPRaleigh (It's gonna be a loooonnnggg 4 years...)
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To: GOPRaleigh

Of course the children of Illegal Aliens will continue to attend free of charge.


41 posted on 09/08/2009 7:15:36 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: rockabyebaby

The part that leaps out at me is that “for the price of a movie ticket/cell phone bill/etc”.

This is pretty much the core of the entitlement mentality -

that others should pay for your needs, so that you can spend on your wants.


42 posted on 09/08/2009 7:16:08 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: tgusa

Pssssstt...

I think the post might be suggesting we continue to pay the taxes AND then pay the extra money...


43 posted on 09/08/2009 7:16:27 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: Former MSM Viewer

Of course.


44 posted on 09/08/2009 7:19:10 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: mockingbyrd

Then cut it all out and go to a voucher system and let parents choose. They need competition, because now we are getting monopoly pricing and monopoly service.


45 posted on 09/08/2009 7:20:51 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: rockabyebaby

If the leftists have their way, we’ll be drinking 542 cups of coffee a day.


46 posted on 09/08/2009 7:21:22 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: freespirited

How about if we charge for public education and get rid of school attendance laws? A lot of kids that don’t want to be in school and disrupt classes would disappear quickly.


47 posted on 09/08/2009 7:24:18 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: neverdem; narses; NativeNewYorker
He's a friggin TEACHER and UNION THUG and HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE SCHOOLS ARE FINANANCED!!

Hey! Not a problem - this was from the AJC. Probably BOTH the writer and the editor were educated in the (Atlanta or Washington or Detroit or LA or NYC ...) public school system - on taxpayer money.

48 posted on 09/08/2009 7:24:32 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Former MSM Viewer
Hey, I’ll make that switch... Cut my $3500 school property tax bill and I will pay the $360.

I'll switch with ya!

What an ignoramus this writer is...dah -

Oh better still, since I have no children in school - let them bill only people who do -

49 posted on 09/08/2009 7:34:11 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: edcoil

Click the link and read to the end, he is a teacher’s union...


50 posted on 09/08/2009 7:38:21 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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