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Pastor praying for Obama's death sparks protests
KOMO-TV ^ | 9/7/2009 | KOMO-TV

Posted on 09/08/2009 7:04:30 AM PDT by hoagy62

PHOENIX (AP) - An Arizona pastor has triggered protests after preaching a sermon last month titled "Why I Hate Barack Obama."

Dozens of demonstrators gathered Sunday outside Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe to protest the message preached by the Rev. Steven Anderson.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: freespeech; oldtestament; pastor; protests
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"In his August 16th sermon, Anderson quoted Old Testament passages about the kind of people that God hates, and said they apply to President Obama.

Anderson told his congregation that he doesn't advocate taking up arms, but he does pray that Obama will die for the good of the nation.

Protesters on Sunday told KNXV-TV that they believe Anderson is guilty of hate speech."

Okay...I'll acknowledge that we don't like him. But is it ever right to pray for his death?

There's a video of this guy that goes with the story. watch it and tell us what you think.

1 posted on 09/08/2009 7:04:30 AM PDT by hoagy62
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To: hoagy62
Pastor praying for Obama's death sparks protests

And it should. I just want to see Obama hauled off in irons and thrown into prison for high treason. He doesn't need to die, just go away.
2 posted on 09/08/2009 7:05:59 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world, and they are all out to get me.)
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To: hoagy62
Okay...I'll acknowledge that we don't like him. But is it ever right to pray for his death?

Does your Bible contain a book called "Psalms"?

Read some of David's prayers in there.

3 posted on 09/08/2009 7:06:51 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: hoagy62

Only Rev. Wright can pray for the death of ‘whitey’, otherwise it’s racist!!!


4 posted on 09/08/2009 7:07:32 AM PDT by highnoon (We haven't not unsaved 500,000 jobs that weren't not created and/or maybe unsaved.)
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To: hoagy62

When I saw this, my first thought was “Bob”.

Old freepers will know what I mean.


5 posted on 09/08/2009 7:08:03 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: hoagy62
This Pastor seems to look for trouble.

Pastor Beaten, Tasered for Defending His Rights ( Border Patrol )

6 posted on 09/08/2009 7:12:07 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

He missed the part about loving your enemies as well.


7 posted on 09/08/2009 7:14:36 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: hoagy62

I continue to be jaw-dropping amazed at what people decide God wants or even that God at all hates. Nuts like this guy should only be allowed inside the doors of the church if he agrees to fall on his knees and beg forgiveness.


8 posted on 09/08/2009 7:15:40 AM PDT by DaGman
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To: GonzoGOP

Maybe it would be best to pray for his conversion.


9 posted on 09/08/2009 7:16:03 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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To: hoagy62

Isn’t this the jackass that gives the “pisseth against the wall” sermon? Great, Fred Phelps is getting old, and now we get a replacement.


10 posted on 09/08/2009 7:16:59 AM PDT by Sanjuro68
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To: Blogger

I think the guy missed a lot.


11 posted on 09/08/2009 7:17:09 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: hoagy62

This guy needs to SHUT UP!!!! This is hardly helpful...


12 posted on 09/08/2009 7:17:14 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: GonzoGOP

You are turning a blind eye to the problem

The precedent is Napoleon. He came back and came back to cause trouble. If the French had had the good sense to execute him in the beginning, they would have saved thousands of lives.


13 posted on 09/08/2009 7:17:16 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . fasl el-khital)
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To: hoagy62

He is an idiot.

We have popular vote in this nation to elect our leaders; no matter how repugnant they may be.

If he wants to start killing off non Bible believing politicians; the list would get very long.


14 posted on 09/08/2009 7:17:17 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just say no to Soylent Green health care)
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To: hoagy62

And lead us not into Tempe...


15 posted on 09/08/2009 7:19:17 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

I just check and yeah, that’s him. What a moron. He’s just a “King James Only” preacher with a storefront church, and no one but the media and the dupes who sit in his folding chairs pays any attention to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo3o4nfiG7A


16 posted on 09/08/2009 7:20:25 AM PDT by Sanjuro68
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To: P-Marlowe

Psalm 109, in particular
6 Appoint an evil man to oppose him;
let an accuser stand at his right hand.
7 When he is tried, let him be found guilty,
and may his prayers condemn him.
8 May his days be few;
may another take his place of leadership.
9 May his children be fatherless
and his wife a widow.
10 May his children be wandering beggars;
may they be driven [d] from their ruined homes.
11 May a creditor seize all he has;
may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.
12 May no one extend kindness to him
or take pity on his fatherless children.
13 May his descendants be cut off,
their names blotted out from the next generation.


17 posted on 09/08/2009 7:22:15 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: P-Marlowe; hoagy62

It also says love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you.

The Pastor should be praying for Obama’s repentence, not for his death.


18 posted on 09/08/2009 7:22:55 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Sanjuro68

Heresies distress again...

This is not a good witness.


19 posted on 09/08/2009 7:24:45 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: hoagy62

Sometimes it is interesting observing your first thought. Mine was “of course a messiah has to die”..............


20 posted on 09/08/2009 7:24:58 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: hoagy62

I am unmatched in my contempt for the Obamaloon.

But, please, let us not pray for his death.

Rather, we all want to him to have a long life - so that he can suffer the pain and humiliation of being considered the worse, most incompetent president ever.


21 posted on 09/08/2009 7:25:00 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Blogger
He missed the part about loving your enemies as well.

That part comes right after your enemy is no longer a mortal threat.

22 posted on 09/08/2009 7:27:22 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: Vanders9
It also says love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you.

Also.

How do YOU reconcile David (A man after God's own heart) praying for the deaths of his and God's enemies with the admonition to love your enemies.

Is the God who destroyed the world by flood and who burned Sodom and Gomorrah and wiped out the Amelekites the same God you worship?

23 posted on 09/08/2009 7:32:03 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Da Coyote

If ever gleeful malice was appropriate, that’s exactly how I giggled when I read your quote. I for one want the Obozo to lead a long, healthy life - last thing we need is a marytyr.


24 posted on 09/08/2009 7:33:16 AM PDT by musicbymuzak
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To: hoagy62

25 posted on 09/08/2009 7:38:31 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (To meet decent people these days you have to create them.)
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To: P-Marlowe

>Is the God who destroyed the world by flood and who burned Sodom and Gomorrah and wiped out the Amelekites the same God you worship?

You do realize there is a new covenant, right? This is the problem with the great Satanic lie of Sola Scriptura: people cherry pick proof texts to say whatever they want, yanking them out of their proper context in salvation history.


26 posted on 09/08/2009 7:40:28 AM PDT by Sanjuro68
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Bump!


27 posted on 09/08/2009 8:00:58 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: hoagy62
but he does pray that Obama will die for the good of the nation.

This Pastor has need to seek the face of YHvH
and repent of his sins of misleading his flock.

He clearly is not following the commandments of Yah'shua:

Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said,
'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR
and hate your enemy.'

Mat 5:44 "But I say to you, love your enemies
and pray for those who persecute you,

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
28 posted on 09/08/2009 8:05:12 AM PDT by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: hoagy62

Praying for his death is wrong; praying he truly finds Christ’s salvation and either resigns or sets out to right his wrongs is right.

Either should be followed with Thy will be done.


29 posted on 09/08/2009 8:10:20 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: hoagy62
His speech is protected by the 1st amendment just as Rev. Jeremiah Wrights hate speech was protected.Wright has been at it for 20 years, praying for the destructuion of America, with Obama as one of his prime congregation members.

Whats all the fuss. ( The Rev is right?)

Americans are preparing to resist Obama's national socialist movement, which is their right as a free people.

Send the protestors to Wrights church.

30 posted on 09/08/2009 8:11:50 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: hoagy62
Anderson told his congregation that he doesn't advocate taking up arms, but he does pray that Obama will die for the good of the nation

What - and turn him into a martyr?? If you think the Camelot myth was bad, just wait until the Obama myth gets rolling. It'll go on for decades.

I would never wish death upon him - prison, yes, but not death.
31 posted on 09/08/2009 8:17:51 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Welcome to the Revolution.)
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To: hoagy62
Kind of hard to say anything negative about this since Zero's Minions have wished death upon us all..Question Just when DO we STOP turning the other Cheek? We seem to crap on everyone that is on our side.
32 posted on 09/08/2009 8:19:12 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: hoagy62

He has as much right to ask God to do something anyone else.

BTW, I don’t remember anyone protesting Julianne Malveaux wishing death upon Supreme Court Justice Clarance Thomas.

Do you remember when she said: “You know, I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease. Well, that’s how I feel. He is an absolutely reprehensible person.”- PBS, Nov. 1994


33 posted on 09/08/2009 8:26:54 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Cheetahcat

I read something by Eugene Robinson the other day denouncing “torture” and the participation of medical professionals in interrogation.

The thought that kept popping back in my mind throughout the whole opinion piece was the knowledge that, given the power to do so, leftists would GLADLY AND JOYFULLY use torture tactics on their ideological opponents,

and when they did, the torture wouldn’t be for information’s sake, it would be torture for torture’s sake - ie, punishment.


34 posted on 09/08/2009 8:30:07 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: P-Marlowe

First, our new covenant means Christians should be looking at the teachings of Christ for their rules of life.

Second, David did not write all the Psalms, but even if he did, 3000 year-old poetry sheould not be used to promote the assasination of the president of the United States.

Third, David was a deeply flawed man who committed many horrific acts, the most notorious being his rape of a woman and the subsequent sending her husband off to die in battle when the woman told David his rape had impregnated her. Calling David “a man after God’s own heart” simply repeats the political propaganda of David’s time.

So, go read your Bible (all of it, not just the parts you like) and talk with your clergyman (if you have one) about your confusion, providing his name isn’t Anderson.


35 posted on 09/08/2009 8:31:49 AM PDT by JBL55
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To: Sanjuro68

Exactly......we don’t need another Phelps. I do not wish death upon a president. I lived through one and will never forget it........just pray he’s a one-termer and lives to see the total downfall of the leftists traitors in this country.


36 posted on 09/08/2009 8:38:20 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Read some of David's prayers in there.

Remember too, that when David had chances to kill Saul, who was indeed seeking to kill David, David passed at least twice.

37 posted on 09/08/2009 8:43:11 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: MrB

“... the knowledge that, given the power to do so, leftists would GLADLY AND JOYFULLY use torture tactics on their ideological opponents ...”

This “knowledge” is based upon what? What your sick fantasies tell you?

As Mother always said, what Peter says about Paul says a good deal more about Peter than it does about Paul.

If you have any actual facts underpinning this belief of your, please share it with the class.


38 posted on 09/08/2009 9:14:11 AM PDT by JBL55
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To: MrB
I read something by Eugene Robinson the other day denouncing “torture” and the participation of medical professionals in interrogation.

The thought that kept popping back in my mind throughout the whole opinion piece was the knowledge that, given the power to do so, leftists would GLADLY AND JOYFULLY use torture tactics on their ideological opponents,

and when they did, the torture wouldn’t be for information’s sake, it would be torture for torture’s sake - ie, punishment.

Absolutely these are the same exact mindset that killed 110 Million People ,They are cpmpletly worthless and not to be trusted.

39 posted on 09/08/2009 9:18:07 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: JBL55

Ever read anything on KOS or DU?
Ever read anything by other “liberal” bloggers?

Ever wonder why they lionize and defend folks like Che Guevera, Stalin, Marx, Mao?


40 posted on 09/08/2009 9:18:09 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Cheetahcat
cpmpletly = Completly
41 posted on 09/08/2009 9:19:27 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: JBL55; Cheetahcat

Ah, signed up TODAY in order to try to refute my posting.

Methinks you’re a lefty who got nervous about the truth being stated about your ideological mindset.


42 posted on 09/08/2009 9:20:12 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: MrB
“Ah, signed up TODAY in order to try to refute my posting.

Methinks you’re a lefty who got nervous about the truth being stated about your ideological mindset.”

You are right!!! No refuting the filth in the DU and the Kos mindset with this person,

43 posted on 09/08/2009 9:32:15 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: MrB

Why are you trying to change the subject?

This isn’t about anyone’s ideological mindset except that of a pastor recommending the assasination of the president of the United States and whom you are defending with a couple of cherry-picked Bible verses.

If you want to use the Bible to justify the kind of appalling language you would not tolerate if it was used against a president you like, then you are what Jesus would call a hypocrite.

And if you’re going to accuse people of wanting to torture those with whom they disagree ideologically without having a shred of empirical data to support such an accusation, don’t be surprised when it’s suggested you may only be looking into a mirror.

The difference between you and me is not right vs. left, but fantasy vs. fact. This difference is clearly illustrated by your inability to provide any sort of substanctive data to back up what you say and resorting to ad hominem attacks.

Yep, my mother was right.


44 posted on 09/08/2009 10:01:11 AM PDT by JBL55
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To: JBL55

Too bad, trollboy... banned or suspended.

Yes, lefties DO want to use government to punish their ideological opponents. ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL. With history (and current postings at liberal blogs) as my witness.


45 posted on 09/08/2009 11:05:46 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Sanjuro68
You do realize there is a new covenant, right?

Is it the same God or a new God?

46 posted on 09/08/2009 12:52:53 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: JBL55
First, our new covenant means Christians should be looking at the teachings of Christ for their rules of life.

If Christ is God, then wouldn't all the teachings of God in the Old Testament be the teachings of Christ?

Did God change?

47 posted on 09/08/2009 12:56:05 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

God in his infinite mercy forgives us our many failings, so there is no reason why He cannot forgive or bear with our sinful desires for blood and revenge. David was not perfect (viz bathsheba) so he might very well have prayed for death and destruction upon his enemies (and those he fondly believed were God’s enemies too). God, however, has a different take on the matter, as evinced to Jonah and his God-ordained missionary campaign to Ninevah (widely regarded by all right-thinking jews at the time as the fount of all evil).

As for Sodom and Gomorrah, the point about that story is that Abraham pleaded for the two cities, thus initiating a quantum leap in the quality of Human mercy, which is probably why God initiated the process in the first place.

God is in control of all things, and nothing happens without His purposing. Personally, I find that far more comforting than a world that was flooded, or a city that was destroyed, totally by blind chance.


48 posted on 09/09/2009 1:30:09 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: P-Marlowe

God doesn’t change, but we (as in Mankind) do. Human history is a story of progression. It is, frankly, an uneven progression with lots of reverses over the centuries, but socially things have progressed. What God is doing is slowly bringing us to a more complete understanding of Himself and His will.

Consider. If your three year old punches his brother and steals his candy, you don’t give him a treatise on advanced ethics, true though all that would be. Not because it isnt right, but because said three-year old wouldnt understand it. You take more immediate, and less academic, action. When he grows up he can get a treatise on the rights of man


49 posted on 09/09/2009 1:40:48 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“We have popular vote in this nation to elect our leaders; no matter how repugnant they may be.”


I’m coming more and more to think that we do NOT have a “popular vote” anymore. I am beginning to think that our elections are rigged.

When I read about the U.S. Justice Department prohibiting the State of Georgia from proving the citizenship of voters, I think more and more that there is rigging going on, too.

When I read about ACORNS crimes, I think our elections are as rigged as those in South America.

And it ought to be very clear by now that our open borders policy is designed to fill the voting booths with people who come from countries where people have learned absolute dependence on government and a police states from their youth so that they will vote for a police state here. I call that strategic vote rigging and election fraud.


50 posted on 09/09/2009 2:02:27 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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