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Collins and Lieberman doubtful on public option; may support "trigger"
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Posted on 09/08/2009 12:12:35 PM PDT by TroutGuy

Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) both cast doubt Tuesday on their support for a public-option component to the Democratic healthcare reform effort, suggesting the Obama administration is still struggling to win over key Senate centrists.

However, Collins and Lieberman both told The Hill they are more supportive of a “trigger” concept floated by Collins’ Senate colleague, Maine Republican Olympia Snowe, which calls for a public option to be implemented if insurance companies fail to fix the current system’s cost inefficiencies.

Reform supporters and critics alike are watching Collins, who cast a key vote this winter for President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill, and Lieberman, who occasionally breaks with Democrats although he caucuses with the party and generally supports it on domestic issues.

“I’m opposed to a Washington-run public option,” Collins said. “I believe it would cause many people to lose health insurance that they’re currently happy with now, and that’s contrary to the assurances that advocates of the public option have been giving. I’m also concerned about the cost and control issue.

“A trigger is certainly a better approach, but I’m not convinced that we could rely on this administration to resist the lure of triggering the public option.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; obamacare; publicoption; socializedmedicine
I've been closely following the informal whip count in the Senate and I'm becoming increasingly concerned that the Dems may round up 60 votes for the "trigger" option. My concern really shot up when Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska said he could support it- he may be the most conservative Democrat. And now I see that Lieberman and RINO Collins indicate they may support it, though both do express some skepticism.

I did enjoy Collins' quote that "I’m not convinced that we could rely on this administration to resist the lure of triggering the public option.”

Gee, ya think Senator?

1 posted on 09/08/2009 12:12:35 PM PDT by TroutGuy
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To: TroutGuy

If they go for the trigger you know they will end up with a public option because the “trigger” will go off


2 posted on 09/08/2009 12:15:53 PM PDT by blueyon (It is worth taking a stand even if you are standing alone!)
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To: blueyon

“If they go for the trigger you know they will end up with a public option because the “trigger” will go off”

I agree — is the trigger a mood swing by 0bama? What exactly would amount to one, anyway?


3 posted on 09/08/2009 12:18:12 PM PDT by ScottinVA (I remember Jack Kennedy... Jack Kennedy was a President of mine.. and Teddy, you're no Jack Kennedy!)
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To: TroutGuy

‘I’ve been closely following the informal whip count in the Senate and I’m becoming increasingly concerned that the Dems may round up 60 votes for the “trigger” option.’

From what I’ve been reading so far, a plan with a trigger has no prayer of passing in the House. Reps are on a ‘public option or bust’ wagon. Both houses of Congress need to be on board for this bill to pass. And, both houses seem to be ignoring the will of the people. I’m hoping that a ‘Yes’ vote for Obamacare, in any form, will be an act of political suicide.


4 posted on 09/08/2009 12:18:53 PM PDT by joejm65
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To: blueyon
of course...it's stealth legislation.

They will give the insurance companies an insanely short schedule to lower costs and when they can't do meet the deadline, they will pull the "trigger"...

5 posted on 09/08/2009 12:19:23 PM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: TroutGuy

These elitist looters are perfectly happy with inflicting this monstrosity onto the public, when they know they’ll never have to languish under its effects.


6 posted on 09/08/2009 12:20:36 PM PDT by ScottinVA (I remember Jack Kennedy... Jack Kennedy was a President of mine.. and Teddy, you're no Jack Kennedy!)
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To: blueyon

“If they go for the trigger you know they will end up with a public option because the “trigger” will go off”

Opposite.

The “trigger” is a gimmick to give liberals the idea that maybe, just maybe, something different than super RomneyCare will be implemented. Obama is in the pocket of private insurance, among other interests. It will never happen, and the trigger will be cocked only if the Democrats, and Republicans, think that insurance company donations are too low.


7 posted on 09/08/2009 12:20:51 PM PDT by Shermy (Space For Rent)
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To: TroutGuy

The “trigger” will be activated shortly after the bill becomes law. This is another farce. Any discussion of Federal health care is unconstitutional since Article 1 Section 8 does not expressly grant Congress the power to regulate health care. People should be driving home this point instead of specific provisions within any proposed legislation.


8 posted on 09/08/2009 12:22:04 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: joejm65

“Reps are on a ‘public option or bust’ wagon. Both houses of Congress need to be on board for this bill to pass. And, both houses seem to be ignoring the will of the people.”

What’s the will of the people? No public option, but supportive of the fascist non-option?


9 posted on 09/08/2009 12:22:32 PM PDT by Shermy (Space For Rent)
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To: TroutGuy
If you can solve this in 5 seconds, the trigger will not go off....


10 posted on 09/08/2009 12:23:18 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: TroutGuy

Obamer would just appoint a “Trigger Czar”, unvetted with no documentation, praised by Pelosi and Jarret and boom, the public option is ushered in.

A nice byproduct, the Dems get cover by voting for this “Trigger” option and can disavow any connection to any of it.

These folks are so damn clever I got to admire them.


11 posted on 09/08/2009 12:24:00 PM PDT by Fishtalk (If you're a Freeper and have a Blog Freepmail me with the link. I'll do you if you do me.)
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To: TroutGuy

Such a trigger implys that we must trust the communist not to deceive us that it has been “triggered”. NO DICE. But i have a better trigger idea; How about a trade, release your birth certificate AND college transcripts, then maybe we can talk about your agenda.

You first,, Kenyan mau-mau communist.


12 posted on 09/08/2009 12:25:07 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: TroutGuy

Doubtful??? They need a Pelosi pep talk!


13 posted on 09/08/2009 12:25:21 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: TroutGuy

lock and load health insurance


14 posted on 09/08/2009 12:26:55 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: TroutGuy; Impy; PhilCollins; spintreebob
>> I'm becoming increasingly concerned that the Dems may round up 60 votes for the "trigger" option. <<

This article shows how Mark Kirk will be able to side with the RATs on Obamacare in the Senate while at the same time claiming he didn't flip-flop because he only against the "original" bill when it was "partisan", but he's always supported the principle of "bipartsan" health care reform and he was able to "reform" the legislation to make it "bipartisan". If anyone needs to see how Kirk will be behave in the Senate, just look at the track records of Arlen Specter and the Maine twins.

Surprisingly, many conservatives still think Mark Kirk is telling the truth when he speaks before GOP audiences and claims to be adamently against Obamacare.

15 posted on 09/08/2009 12:27:23 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: TroutGuy

But... but... but... Lieberman is one of us ‘cuz he supports the war (only in the middle east)! /s


16 posted on 09/08/2009 12:28:26 PM PDT by RAO1125 (Neoconservatism:Failed. Socialism:Failing (again). Next up: Libertarianism)
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To: TroutGuy
Trigger = government run health care.

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17 posted on 09/08/2009 12:29:09 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/user/GloriaJane)
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To: RAO1125

You Got that right! It’s sickening to remember that Lieberman was McCains first veep choice. Never forget.


18 posted on 09/08/2009 12:30:26 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: TroutGuy

It’s not the public option, it’s the government option.


19 posted on 09/08/2009 12:31:27 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: TroutGuy
Collins and Lieberman doubtful on public option; may support "trigger"

Translation: Collins and Lieberman support the public option.

20 posted on 09/08/2009 12:31:49 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Shermy

‘What’s the will of the people? No public option, but supportive of the fascist non-option?’

The will of the people seems to be ‘scrap this plan, and help the people who need help without having the government take over the entire system’.


21 posted on 09/08/2009 12:32:09 PM PDT by joejm65
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To: TroutGuy

The public option is just one of the many things wrong with the proposed bill. A trigger, if the only change, leaves us with all of the other problems, including coverage of illegals, rationing, comparative effectiveness panels, etc. The only good response by any congresscritter is to vote NO and start over again with a tax credit and competition based program.


22 posted on 09/08/2009 12:33:27 PM PDT by mak5
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To: Shermy

No, the insurance companies are in Obama’s pocket—and only for now, for the advantage of forcing the young and healthy into insurance policies. If you don’t think the Dems would put the squeeze on the insurers at any time convenient for the big prize of nationalized health care, you’re deluded—because that’s just what the trigger would do.


23 posted on 09/08/2009 12:34:42 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: TroutGuy
These bast-rds in public office are lusting after more power and control, which they will achieve through so-called "health care reform". You just know they aren't really concerned about the health and welfare of the constituency, it's all about money, power and control. They need to be given the boot next year, all of them. D.C. has become utterly corrupt, through and through.
24 posted on 09/08/2009 12:35:06 PM PDT by jiminycricket000
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To: TroutGuy
Even the chosen exercise in semantics gives the clue. What is the role of a trigger on a weapon? It is certainly not to cause the weapon not to fire! What a stupid choice of words.

On the other hand, we must remember that words are just the vehicles that carry ideas.

If a person is intent on taking his cargo from Point A to Point B, and finds there are such obstacles to traveling by airplane that he decides, for expediency's sake, to take it by bus instead, except for the time involved, there is no difference in outcome. The cargo still goes from Point A to Point B. Changing the mode of transportation didn't change that fact.

Changing the semantics of the mode of getting the billions (trillions) of dollars involved in health care in America under the control of powerful "people controllers" in Washington, D. C., will not change the outcome and consequences. It will only serve to delay the onset of those consequences.

Calling the vehicle a "public option," a "trigger," a "cooperative," or by any other word should not confuse Americans about the cargo's eventual fate. The Far Left wants to transfer this large percentage of the American economy to the control of the state. Congress, the Senate, and the Administration need to be told "no" in no uncertain terms.

Changing the description is just an exercise in semantics. The destination already has been made clear, and it's not in the direction of liberty.

25 posted on 09/08/2009 12:38:18 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: 9YearLurker

“you’re deluded—because that’s just what the trigger would do”

The trigger is just something to give hope for change.

Did you see how much money the health care industry donated to Obama?

The whole Rushbot “public option” scare without looking at the rest of the monstrous bill is like a caricature of paranoid obsession.

The “public option” fake-out is on one hand, a trick to get liberals on board with Super Romney Fascist Care, and has evolved into a way to get conservatives on board with Super Romney Fascist Care.

Think of it like a matador’s cap. Ole! Liberal tricked. Ole! “Conservative” tricked.


26 posted on 09/08/2009 12:39:38 PM PDT by Shermy (Space For Rent)
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To: 9YearLurker

“No, the insurance companies are in Obama’s pocket”

BTW, thanks for the laugh.


27 posted on 09/08/2009 12:41:12 PM PDT by Shermy (Space For Rent)
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To: Shermy

I hear what you’re saying about Obama’s baking a loaf and a half, planning to only serve two-thirds of it. But he and his Marxist merrymakers have long said they want to stop by the Romney-fascism option, just because they know the American public won’t fall for the whole thing at once. Sure, two steps forward, one step back if necessary, for now (they’d hoped to get the thing crammed through last month), but the end goal is full governmental control. To Obama fascism is both a means and an end.


28 posted on 09/08/2009 12:50:48 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: TroutGuy
Morons. OF COURSE they will find a circumstance under which to "trigger" BIG GUBMENT.

I swear, if these people don't get this when it's right in front of them, they are asking for a revolution, and not the soft kind, either.

29 posted on 09/08/2009 12:51:40 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Shermy

Oh, and as to the health care industry’s donations, don’t be fooled. There’s both protection money paid to make government intrusion less troublesome and legal-bribery money paid to get legislation they want. In this case, it was more the former, though again the industry has been bought off short-term with increases in customers and maybe even, gulp, profits. It’s a two-way double switchback.


30 posted on 09/08/2009 12:53:47 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: mak5

You’re exactly right. I fear that all this talk of eliminating the “Public Option” is distracting us from all the other crap in this bill.


31 posted on 09/08/2009 12:56:34 PM PDT by wolfpat (Moderate=Clueless)
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To: TroutGuy

Trigger = Short Delay


32 posted on 09/08/2009 1:06:28 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: TroutGuy

I have a trigger for them. If the total cost of their program exceeds 150% of the estimate, the program is scrapped immediately and they ***must*** implement free market reforms.


33 posted on 09/08/2009 1:51:53 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: 9YearLurker

“But he and his Marxist merrymakers have long said they want to stop by the Romney-fascism option,”

That is the present house bill, exactly.

Whatever they say is to trick their supporters. It’s what many politicians do.


34 posted on 09/08/2009 2:06:34 PM PDT by Shermy (Space For Rent)
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