Skip to comments.'We're pinned down:' 4 U.S. Marines die in Afghan ambush
Posted on 09/08/2009 8:26:52 PM PDT by Saije
We walked into a trap, a killing zone of relentless gunfire and rocket barrages from Afghan insurgents hidden in the mountainsides and in a fortress-like village where women and children were replenishing their ammunition.
"We will do to you what we did to the Russians," the insurgent's leader boasted over the radio, referring to the failure of Soviet troops to capture Ganjgal during the 1979-89 Soviet occupation.
Dashing from boulder to boulder, diving into trenches and ducking behind stone walls as the insurgents maneuvered to outflank us, we waited more than an hour for U.S. helicopters to arrive, despite earlier assurances that air cover would be five minutes away.
U.S. commanders, citing new rules to avoid civilian casualties, rejected repeated calls to unleash artillery rounds at attackers dug into the slopes and tree lines despite being told repeatedly that they weren't near the village.
"We are pinned down. We are running low on ammo. We have no air. We've lost today," Marine Maj. Kevin Williams, 37, said through his translator to his Afghan counterpart, responding to the latter's repeated demands for helicopters.
(Excerpt) Read more at mcclatchydc.com ...
Kinder, gentler Obama.
What brave fellows. Thank you. I am very sad.
This madness can't go on. It is the best of us who are dying in Afghanistan.
From the call to combat arms, it mattered.
They were killed by Fat Jack Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barack Obama and the rest of the Marxist 'RATS including many "judges" on our federal "courts." That's who REALLY killed these Marines.
TAKE THE CUFFS OFF OF OUR MILITARY YOU PIGGIES!!! That goes for you too McCain!
Boy, do we have the wrong President. The man can’t fight his way out of a paper bag.
Hey Judge Carter. AMERICAN Marines are being killed because the Kenyan usurper’s rules of engagement (ROE). The military’s hands are tied thanks to Hussein.
Time to leave Afghanistan. With these ROE - our troops are sitting ducks.
Drudge needs to run this story.
There seems to be an effort to use left wing anti war sources to gin up some on FR to join in with the Marxists, IslamOfascists, Third Party, etc.
Those four Marines are worth a million Van Jones.
God rest them.
Must be the damn army refusing artillary and air support. The marines would never leave their comrades hanging out there to dry, ROE be damned.
I didn’t read anything left wing in the article.
The Reporter was right in the middle of this and wrote:
“I wasn’t as terrified as I was angry: angry at the absence of air support, angry that there was no artillery fire,
angry that Williams’ interpreter had been killed,
ngry at the realization that the operation had
obviously been betrayed and angry at myself for not bolting with the others.”
If it’s left wing to be mad about the ROE that lead to 4 Marines being killed then I guess I’m left wing.
This story made me absolutely sick. As Fauxbama opines about the phony health care ‘crisis’ American soldiers DIE because of his policy of engagement. Wonder if he has read that war assessment yet. The sad fact that like much of every thing else with this president it is all talk. Afghanistan is not even on the map with this guy. Rest assured this will not be a lead story (if a story at all) in the msm.
Not all civilians are “innocent civilians”.
Many Freepers predicted this would happen during the 2008 election cycle, if Obama was elected.
Now we reap the fruits of having a whacko liberal socialist as president.
Before Obama is through, he will cause the needless deaths of thousands of US soldiers.Soon Obama will start cutting back on the necessities required by our soldiers in Afghanistan.Welcome to Vietnam II, all over again.Brought to you by our kinder, gentler , usurper Democrat Party.
May they burn in hell for this!!!
These silly ROE that Obama has foisted on our soldiers MUST be abandoned .
My understanding is that now, if we see the ARMED enemy, as LONG as he does not actually fire on our guys, then our guys canNOT open fire on them.
Why is it that lefties really enjoy long “sort of” wars...?
Indeed, that is the war subType that REALLY makes Americans mad and bleeds the country dry.
Totally insane. These new rules of engagement ARE KILLING OUR SOLDIERS AND MARINES. If this president is not serious about winning then we must get out now before we lose one more American.
This is cuz of that German thing the other day with the destruction of those 2 fuel trucks —Germans called in the airstrike, and it killed 90 people.
Hey, in war...? PEOPLE DIE...!!
The “damn” army? Don’t know what that means but U. S. Army was there too.
Obama would slaughter our young military men and the media is dead silent, its a good war now. In fact, Jay Bookman writing in the Atlanta paper today talks about giving it more time, hanging in there. Jay Bookman is a hard core liberal, who hated the war when Bush was President. Now he can excuse this because The Chosen One is President.
Time to get out NOW.
Remember the Black Hawk Down thing —the father of one of those dead Rangers would not shake Clinton’s hand, and that was because they couldn’t air evac the boy out while he was bleeding to death.
Bubba wouldn’t authorize tanks or AC-130’s to the Mog “cuz it looked bad”.
You got army controlling the artillary and air, that seem to be more worried about making rank than supporting the grunts. We had these same types in Vietnam. We used to call them purfumed princes.
I like the way you think. God Bless Texas! I wish you were the Secretary of Defense.
It irritates me that the author of this article uses the term “Afghan insurgents.” Call them the enemy, call them the Taliban, call them Muslim terrorists, but don’t sugarcoat these scumbags.
As for civilian casualities, if our current rules of engagement were the rules of engagement during World War II, we would all be speaking German now....or Japanese. If civilians die in Afghanistan, it’s because the cowardly Muslim enemy is hiding behind the skirts of women and children.
The hands of our brave military should be untied!
You are out of line. We dont damn our military here. Our soldiers, Marines, and the rest answer to King Hussien and if the Army did withold fire, it was on direct orders from Washington. Damn Barrack Obama, not our Army.
God Bless these brave Marines and please comfort their families.
God please help our country.
Prayers for the fallen. Hope this administration and the higher reaches haven’t forgotten we’re still in a shooting war.
I join in prayer for these, our heroes, and their loved ones!
That is a scum bag thing to say, and stupid to boot, sounds like troll scum to me.
Some here, including you are quick to turn on the Army when you have no information whatsoever that the Army was even involved in the artillery support or decision making. I believe the Marine Corps has its own artillery. Its your retired MARINE General Jim Jones who betrayed every military person by taking a high position in Obama’s administration. Throw that silver his way, he is earning it.
a must read.....
0bama is an enemy of the United States.
He is directly killing these fighting men.
Having lived through the Vietnam war yrs, this is typical of trying to wear down the general public to the war.
Those who want America to pull out are those in hopes of another IslamOfascists attack on the streets of America.
Three times the amount of Americans who have been killed in the war are killed by drunk drivers a year in the U.S.
Please note that the succeeding article about IED losses in Afghanistan is in much the same vein.
It does not much matter whether these stories are essentially true or not what really matters is the perception created by what is produced from this template. We saw the media relentlessly undermine support for the Iraq war and we have every reason to believe they might be trying to repeat in Afghanistan.
Whether one supports or opposes Barak Obama's presumed intensification of the war in Afghanistan, there can be no doubt that the media will play a role.
Perception is policy
If you mean that the current ROE in Afghanistan are designed so that we can’t win and will lose Marines and soldiers needlessly so eventually we back here at home will just give up, then I agree with you.
McClatchy screwed up,we aren’t allowed to mention enemy casualties due to an Obama administration guideline.
This kind of smacks of the way the Viet Nam war was conducted..from DC..and the ROE in place then” don’t shoot at the enemy until they shoot at you first...”
An Army 10th Mountain unit had the artillery and maybe the helicopters, but you are right no one knows what the story is, by the way the army had men in the operation as well.
When he reads the assessment of battle damage he won’t give a flying damn.
Can we say Viet Nam all over again with this Resident in the WH?
Bring them home, there's a Regime that needs changin' back here. We'll have their back 24/7.
I have to disagree with you, this was a big and ambush, we lost 13 guys from our side, it has to be reported because it is a big story.
That is Not what I said.
You are hell bent on your anti war shit gathering up the
anti war third party loons and those who don’t understand
anything about the military.
Move on over to DU with the other anti war trash
Exactly the same.
Ganjgal should be levelled in an airstrike that surrounding inhabitants will recount to their grand children and great grandchildren for decades to come as the day a huge fire claimed the village.
The villagers and elders were complicit in this ambush.
That said, Afghanistan is a tribal hellhole, mired in 700 AD with IEDs and automatic weapons.
It is not worth the life of ONE American, let alone 4 Marines.
I am seeing Vietnam all over again, writ large.
“Pacifying” a village here, a village there, does not work.
Muslims and Afghans will only respond to overwhelming force and the impossibility of victory without the total annihaltion of their culture and families. That is the deciding point for them.
That is what worked with the Japanese. Only when they were faced with total annihilation and the knowledge that they had an enemy willing to incinerate their cities did they surrender, and even then they almost did not.
Day after day, our soldiers are being maimed by crude IEDs, killed in ambushes, suffering in extreme heat and cold, being put in impossible situations trying to find and kill an enemy that wears no uniforms and is willing to hide behind women and children, as well as willing to use them as human bombs.
After eight years, we have not ever found Bin Laden or Al Zawahiri, we haven’t won the country, and we have given our forces suicidal rules of engagement.
And we are worried what the Afghans might think of us?
F’em and the camel they rode in on. Our people are worth more than theirs, period.
Kill the enemy and get the hell out. We won a World War on two fronts in half the time we have been in Afghanistan.
Prayers for their families. This is such a sad story.
Indeed. Prayers for our troops and support even when they don’t get it when they deserve and need it.
Political correctness caused these horrible losses.
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