Skip to comments.Gay Christian Billboards Spark Controversy in N. Texas
Posted on 09/09/2009 5:41:46 AM PDT by fwdude
Four billboards along Interstate 30 are sparking a debate over whether gays should be welcomed at local churches. A coalition of five churches that are part of a larger congregation of prodominatly gay Christians have put up four billboards on I-30 between Grand Prairie and Fort Worth with messages urging Christians to accept gays. One billboard reads "The early church welcomed a gay man" and another reads, "Would Jesus discriminate."
Reverend Colleen Darraugh with the Metropolitan Community Church of Greater Dallas tells CBS-11 exclusively they've been the target of controversy since the billboards went up last week.
"There are people who have told us to re-read our bible, which is the very question we're asking others to do. We've had people say how dare you take the name of God in vein," Darraugh said. The billboards will be up through the end of the month.
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Yeah, this is really going to go over big with Texans. The homo-fascists really need to get a better PR firm.
Please forgive me, but I choose to get my information on such matters from the Bible, not a billboard.
Would Jesus discriminate? No, but he cannot have a relationship with an imperfect person, God demands perfection and that includes being sexually pure.
How dare they misspell "vain"?
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
I wonder how these openly-gay “Christian” churches deal with Leviticus, and more importantly, with some of Paul’s letters. Are they, like some Catholics, “cafeteria Christians”? How does one, as pastor, teach that the Bible is the One Truth (except for the parts we don’t agree with)?
Anyone want to form a Paint Ball brigade?
The Pope was granted the line item veto in Vatican II.
First it was “we want to be left alone”; now it’s “we want to overcome and infect your church.”
I would add that the homosexual crowd desires APPROVAL from the church for their sexual behavior.
Remember, though, that Leviticus ostensibly itemizes laws that applied exclusively to the Jews. Instead, look to the books of Corinthians and Timothy for New Testament exclusions of those who practice homosexuality.
“The early church welcomed a gay man”
All “liberal Christians” must deny the inerrancy and divine inspiration of the Bible,
and declare any statement based on its authority as “interpretation”.
Lastly, when you show them the multiple instances of plainly worded (not subject to “interpretation”) verses refuting their ideology or position on an issue,
they say something like “oh, that was just written by angry men trying to oppress people”.
That’s the whole issue there - “PRACTICING homosexual”.
There is no condemnation for BEING homosexual or having such desires. The sin is in the commission of an act.
Why should they bother? They threw Genesis in the trash years ago.
OK, I give up. Who was the “gay man” that “the early church welcomed”?
Jesus would tell them to go and sin no more....they just don’t want to hear it.
Homosexuals should be welcome in any church, but not homosexuality. Just like liars, thieves and murderers are welcome but not lies, thievery nor murder. Sinners are always welcome. Sins, not so much.
When it comes to church, these gays should go, and sin no more.
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualitieshis eternal power and divine naturehave been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorwho is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
No need to cite just the Old Testament.
“Sinners are always welcome”
That’s good... or else churches would be awfully empty.
Homosexuals would be welcomed in my church, they wouldn’t be allowed to join as members without repenting of their queer behavior.
Everybody should be welcome in church! Christ hung out with sinners and loved them all...and then expected them to acknowledge God as ultimate authority of right and wrong, admit their sin and try to overcome it. He did not encourage them to go on sinning and feel real good about it.
Provided that from day one the church's orientation is "God wants you to accept His love, and strive to be more than you are" I think this is a great idea. But remember, Christ also said, "If they reject what I have told you, shake the dust from your sandals and move on." If the upshod of this policy is going to be feel-good homosexuals coming into the church and dividing it with the Devils smooth half-truths, then fine...keep them out.
And hey, I don't have the time at the moment to look up these two scriptures, so please...somebody do the legwork for me and post them?
The early church welcomed a gay man
I’m glad you said this, I was trying to think of what part of the bible I missed out on.
Go and sin no more: John 8:11
shake the dust off: Matthew 10:14; Mark 6:11; Luke 9:5; Acts 13:51
You are incorrect as are many Christians and Jews...
Genesis is the foundation for everything in the Bible. Nothing has changed in regard to Jews or Christians about creation, it is the precedent for anything in the Bible.
Perfect people don’t need church. Or rather the only perfect person wants the church as His bride.
1Cor 6:9-10 The Father has passed all judgment to the Son. Gays will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
> Homosexuals should be welcome in any church, but not
> homosexuality. Just like liars, thieves and murderers are
> welcome but not lies, thievery nor murder. Sinners are
> always welcome. Sins, not so much.
“The early church welcomed a gay man”
Really? I’d like to see them name the man.
“Would Jesus discriminate.”
No. But he would tell you to stop the sinful behavior.
Ok, you missed two key parts of my post: the words “Leviticus” and “ostensibly”.
Not true. Real, practicing Christians are some of the happiest people I know.
If you mean homosexual Christians, you are right. If they aren't at least genuinely trying to keep from sinning, they aren't Christian. They aren't very happy people, either.
But if any of them are practicing and non-repentant, they should neither be celebrated nor exalted as being wholesome additions to the Body of Christ.
They are NOT what is meant by Fruits of the Spirit.
My humble thanks.
Actually this is true. ... What they forgot to include was that they had to: Admit that they were SINNERS and REPENT! There are NO gay Christians in the 1st century. The two terms are mutually exclusive.
I know this is just preaching to the choir ...
Bravo. Christ said that he didn’t come to abolish the Law, but to complete it. Every jot and tittle of the Law remains true, but it is tempered by Christ’s love. We are not “charged” for the times we fail, provided we acknowledge them, ask forgiveness for them, and honestly try to repent.
No, Genesis IS the point. Without Genesis, there is nothing... they are really frustrated by Genesis, but cannot destroy the axiomatic state of procreant human biology, it does not fit their religious agenda.
Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.
Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal. With pantheons of fantasies as their medium of infinitization, they still have nothing in them of reality, any more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream.
Homosexual deviancy is really a pagan practice (and a self-induced social psychosis) at war with the Judaic culture over what is written in the book of Genesis (1:27, 2:18).
This is exactly what the National Socialists were at war with... so, when someone uses the term "Gaystapo," they might not realize how close to the truth they really are.
Many will seek ceremonious sanctification and esoteric absolution in some type of marriage rite, but that still fails to give them a connection to the eternal in both a religious and temporal, procreant sense - - the union does not produce offspring.
Dissatisfaction with inevitable mortality only feeds the impoverishment of the ego further. Homosexuals really hate human life; their whole desire is rooted in the destruction of it... in direct opposition to Genesis.
It doesn't matter if they were born that way or not, it is no excuse for continuing the behavior.
Most men I would argue are not born with the desire to be with only one woman for life, yet most stay true to their wives and thus follow God's commands. If I can stay true to my wife, they can resist the urge to dirty their peckers.
Matt 5:18 (red letters)
“I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished”
I was replying to the poster who cited Leviticus. Homosexuals claim that the Old Testament no longer applies. They cannot make that same argument regarding Romans 1:18-32.
They are probably referencing I Cor 6:9-11 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
He did every day, and we do too. Discrimination at the supermarket means I don't buy rotten meat, moldy fruit or stale bread...it is the simple act of determining good vs. bad, right vs. wrong, Godly vs. unGodly. But while Christ judged the Sin, he never damned the sinner. He loved everyone, just as God does. And if I loved someone that much, and they were doing something stupid that might kill them, it would be my responsibility as a friend to warn them.
The call of "Judge not, lest ye be judged" is usually taken out of context...the Pharisees were going to stone someone to death for the very sin most of them had committed. It might be better said, "Judge in the way you want to be judged." Where I have shortcomings before God, I want them rooted out lovingly, with kindness and care, so I can be more like what God wants me to be, and so that the things that seem right to me but not to God won't ruin me in the long-run. This kind of loving judgment, that judges a man's "fruit" but doesn't damn him as a cursed failure, is what Christ gave those around him, and as Christians, what we should emulate.
Use of the term “a” gay man seems as though it’s referring to a specific individual.
It has us scratching our heads while leafing through the book of Acts.
You too seem to have missed the word “ostensibly” in my original post.
5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 "Lord," he said, "my servant lies at home paralyzed and in terrible suffering." 7 Jesus said to him, "I will go and heal him." 8 The centurion replied, "Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it." 10 When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour.
It would be an understatement to say that it is a reach to interpret the above as they would have us interpret it.
Christ said he didn't come to overturn the scriptures, but to fulfill them. The Old Testament is REPLETE with invectives against homosexuality.
This is interesting as last night there was a history channel special on Sodom and Gomorrah with extracted discussions from various Biblical “scholars” who interpreted the Old Testament events relating to that destruction as due to “unknown” sins or perhaps due to a violation of the laws of charity and had nothing to do with homosexuality. They went on to note that excavations at Sodom and Gomorrah provided no proof of any sexual aberrations !!!!! Finally, they noted that the numerous salt deposits there were the rationale behind the story of Lot's Wife and the entire narrative may have been based on much later views of the destruction site and salt deposits.
My guess is that if they found numerous male skeletons engaged in acts of sodomy and a pillar of salt around a female skeleton with a Canaanite inscription that said “Lot's Wife” they would find some other excuse to justify their contention that buggery is fine and normal.
And that's the part they seem to be ignoring. As another poster put it ... sinners are always welcome, but the sin is not.