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Obama: I used to say 47 million uninsured. Now, it's 30 million
examiner ^ | 09/09/09 | Byron York

Posted on 09/10/2009 6:44:39 AM PDT by george76

In his speech tonight, the president introduced a new number in the health care debate. Remember all those statements from Democrats, including Barack Obama himself, that 47 million Americans are without health insurance? That's no longer the operative number. "There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage," the president said in tonight's speech.

But on August 10, at a town hall meeting, Obama referred to the "46, 47 million people without health insurance in our country…" And on July 23, he said, "This is not just about the 47 million Americans who don't have any health insurance at all…"

What's the difference? Obama appears to be choosing his words carefully. There is a difference between Americans who "cannot get coverage" and Americans who "don't have any health insurance at all." The interesting question is why Obama has chosen to downgrade the number from 47 million to 30 million. Look for Democrats to begin using the new figure in making the case for Obamacare.

So why did Obama make the change? The first possibility is the difference between people who "don't have any health insurance" and people who "cannot get coverage." Millions of Americans who can afford health insurance choose not to have it, many of them because they are young, healthy and unlikely to need it.

The second difference in Obama's phrasing is between "people without health insurance," in his old phrasing, and "American citizens" without coverage, as he said in last night's speech. Was Obama, faced with the (accurate) charge that the current Democratic health care proposals have no enforcement mechanism to prevent people in the United States illegally from receiving government-supported coverage, excluding non-citizens from his total?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 47million; barackobama; democrats; healthcare; healthinsurance; obama
Obama adjusted his uninsured estimate to conform with the news that the USA has merely 50 states; not 57.

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1 posted on 09/10/2009 6:44:39 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

Try somewhat less than 12 million.


2 posted on 09/10/2009 6:45:47 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: george76
LIAR!!!
3 posted on 09/10/2009 6:47:02 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: xcamel

True.

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2009/08/health-care-common-sense.html


4 posted on 09/10/2009 6:48:54 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: george76

And are Americans thinking...”hey we just insured another 17 million overnight without spending a dime”?


5 posted on 09/10/2009 6:50:04 AM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: george76

Wow! It’s been 46 million since Johnson was in office, with little up-down change.

0bama cut the number? There is an Excel spreadsheet function called PIDOOMA() and it stands for Pulled It Directly Out Of My Imagination. It’s more targeted than RAND.

I remember when the number of “the homeless” was pegged at 400,000 for a long time, until Perot set it at 120,000 or so. After that everyone including NPR used the new number.


6 posted on 09/10/2009 6:51:53 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Zack Attack

Well that’s what I thought. We just need to keep to this path and soon all will be insured without one additional penny being spent...that 0bama, he’s really a miracle worker isn’t he?


7 posted on 09/10/2009 6:52:32 AM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: NMEwithin

Ditto!!!!!!!!!


8 posted on 09/10/2009 6:53:18 AM PDT by pollywog (staying...... " Under His Wings" Psalm 91:4)
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To: george76

He insured 15 M just by discussing the issue, he scared those insurance companies into insuring them. That man is magic, like Rush/Sharpton song, “Puff the Magic ....”


9 posted on 09/10/2009 6:54:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: george76

30 million uninsured.

900 Billion dollars.

That’s $30,000 per uninsured.

How about opening health insurance competition across state lines and give every uninsured a $5000 check to buy health insurance with.

That’s $150,000,000,000 or 84% savings.

Problem solved. Cheap.


10 posted on 09/10/2009 6:56:36 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: george76
From Zero's Speech:

Now, even if we provide these affordable options, there may be those -- especially the young and the healthy -- who still want to take the risk and go without coverage. There may still be companies that refuse to do right by their workers by giving them coverage. The problem is, such irresponsible behavior costs all the rest of us money. If there are affordable options and people still don't sign up for health insurance, it means we pay for these people's expensive emergency room visits. If some businesses don't provide workers health care, it forces the rest of us to pick up the tab when their workers get sick, and gives those businesses an unfair advantage over their competitors. And unless everybody does their part, many of the insurance reforms we seek -- especially requiring insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions -- just can't be achieved.

So on the one hand, Zero says that those who could afford health insurance but choose not to cost the system, but on the other hand Zero says he needs those people's premiums to subsidize all of his "reforms."

Joe Wilson said it best.

11 posted on 09/10/2009 6:56:53 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Joe Wilson speaks for me.)
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To: george76
I see Barry has his Word Calibrator working overtime.
12 posted on 09/10/2009 6:57:41 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: george76

Well, I am thinking there have been 17 million die from lack of health care since his last speech.


13 posted on 09/10/2009 7:01:16 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: george76

.....47 million or 30 million, it makes no difference....there’s still not enough doctors/nurses to handle the increased case load.


14 posted on 09/10/2009 7:01:34 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: george76

Also, as mentioned by several others, by reducing the number in the potential coverage, you reduce the overall costs and meet his goal of not increasing the deficit. If there is anybody around who believes this particular fairytale, I invite them to bid on the Bay Bridge in San Francisco. Governments never stay at minimum criteria any longer than it takes to get the initial implementation done.


15 posted on 09/10/2009 7:02:20 AM PDT by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: george76
He added the words “American Citizens” behind the 30 million, which shows how out of that 47 million they have been scaring us with they did include illegals
16 posted on 09/10/2009 7:04:29 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: george76

Three more months and we will not have a problem.


17 posted on 09/10/2009 7:04:52 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (Idiotcracy has arrived 400 years early.)
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To: george76

“There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage,”

Is that supposed to include those of us who choose not to have health insurance???

And under Barrycare, will we still have that choice to make???


18 posted on 09/10/2009 7:05:21 AM PDT by SandWMan (NO MORE NEOCONS!!!)
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To: george76

obama just threw 17 million illegal aliens under the bus.


19 posted on 09/10/2009 7:07:12 AM PDT by joshhiggins
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To: george76

Is he now excluding illegal aliens from the total?


20 posted on 09/10/2009 7:08:23 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: george76
By next week, expect that the number will be 30 Million uninsured citizens. It will always have been about 30 Million uninsured citizens.

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

21 posted on 09/10/2009 7:09:02 AM PDT by cc2k (When less than half the voters pay taxes, it's called "taxation without representation.")
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To: paulycy

The math is too simple for congress to understand.

How can the Pollys reward their cronies with bonuses if they have to operate on real budgets?


22 posted on 09/10/2009 7:11:06 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: george76

Those 17 million have already died due to H1N1 ...


23 posted on 09/10/2009 7:13:15 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: george76

Wanna bet that the number is less than 15 million who can not obtain insurance.


24 posted on 09/10/2009 7:17:15 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: xcamel

Agreed


25 posted on 09/10/2009 7:17:33 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Scythian

LOL!!!!!!


26 posted on 09/10/2009 7:19:31 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: STONEWALLS
47 million or 30 million, it makes no difference....there’s still not enough doctors/nurses to handle the increased case load.

Do you mean there are 30 million Americans now who don't receive medical care? I don't think so. We don't have bodies lying around in the streets because of lack of medical care. In fact, in most states, those with no insurance go to the same doctors and get the same care as anyone else.

The problem is the inefficient way we handle care for the uninsured, not that the uninsured do not get medical care.

There might be additional need for medical personnel if people who are not insured now make more visits to a doctor for preventative medicine, but even this might reduce their doctor visits in the future.

27 posted on 09/10/2009 7:20:01 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: george76

Obama wouldn’t recognize the Truth even if he was staring at Him in the face: like Pontius Pilate.


28 posted on 09/10/2009 10:18:26 AM PDT by deannadurbin
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To: CPT Clay

Here’s the fun part, if every citizen must be insured or face a $750 a year fine, does that mean every illegal must also pay $750? And what happens when large portions of the 47 million don’t pay and won’t pay the fine? That could put 20 million into criminal status.


29 posted on 09/10/2009 10:43:01 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: george76

Communists Like Obama have two different sets of Languages.
one for the Mainstream Media..( filled with Lies and Half-Truths).and another for the Leftist
traitors..or in plain English...His Friends.


30 posted on 09/10/2009 3:12:40 PM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: george76

Simple...he lied.


31 posted on 09/10/2009 4:39:55 PM PDT by Shaka
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To: LtKerst
"Communists Like Obama have two different sets of Languages. one for the Mainstream Media..( filled with Lies and Half-Truths).and another for the Leftist traitors..or in plain English...His Friends."

Exactly and that is why he is not really President of the US people, he is the leader of a movement and will never unite the country under this admin.

32 posted on 09/10/2009 5:52:26 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: NMEwithin

Whoa, that’s heaping mighty praise on a democrap liberal!


33 posted on 09/10/2009 9:36:54 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: joshhiggins

Nonsense, those 17 million have died because Obama care wasn’t passed last month. The 17 million in need have been holding their breath, determined to not pay for their medical care themselves - “it’s a right!” they cried with their last breath. Another month, perhaps Obama will have solved the problem! The stinking little brats will have off’ed themselves. The final solution seeming like a mistake. Like Biden (another truthful Joe) said!


34 posted on 09/10/2009 9:44:50 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: george76

Nah. He just realized California unofficially insures their illegal Alien population...


35 posted on 09/11/2009 12:10:39 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: george76

Is he still counting the ILLEGALS??????????


36 posted on 09/12/2009 10:19:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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