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Dems heckled Bush, but Wilson was different
Politico ^ | glenn thrush

Posted on 09/10/2009 7:13:36 AM PDT by indcons

Joe Wilson's 15 minutes of infamy notwithstanding, Democrats were pretty rough on George W. Bush during a joint sessions a few years back.

Two examples:

In 2004, Democrats delivered a “Chorus Of Boos” during Bush's Bush’s State Of The Union when he called for renewal of the Patriot Act., according to the Washington Times.

In 2005, Dems howled, hissed and shouted "No!" when Bush pushed for Social Security reform in the SOU: "Foreshadowing the contentiousness of the coming debate, Democrats broke decorum and booed twice," according to the National Journal.

At the time, CNN's Bill Schneider remarked, “It was unusual. I had never heard it at least at that level before. The Democrats clearly were booing, heckling, saying no when the president talked about the crisis in Social Security."

Moreover, Obama's claim that illegal immigrants won't be covered -- which sparked Wilson's outburst -- while technically accurate, doesn't quite tell the entire story. Some of the bills being considered in the House and Senate contain provisions locking in local statutes that prevent providers from inquiring about immigration status prior to treatment. And illegals are treated, and are bound to be treated, in ERs, covered by local, state and federal uninsured pools.

So why the outcry over Wilson?

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: booingbush; deceiver; doublestandard; healthcaredebate; hypocrite; illegalimmigration; jaccuse; joewilson; judas; lyingliar; obamacare; obamaliedlibertydied; obamalies; obamatruthfile; pravdamedia; theobamashow; watercoolermoment; waterloo; youlie
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Glenn Thrush provides some historical background on Democrat disrespect to a sitting president during an address to a joint session of Congress.

Of course, this tool then proceeds to claim that Rep. Wilson's reaction was "worse" because of Wright's Law - all criticism of Hussein Obama's policies is based on racism and is personal.

1 posted on 09/10/2009 7:13:36 AM PDT by indcons
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To: indcons

I strongly suspect that Barack Obama was told “You lie!”, because he was lying, has lied, and will lie again.


2 posted on 09/10/2009 7:15:55 AM PDT by chris37
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To: indcons

“You lie!”, our new death panel. Thanks Joe!


3 posted on 09/10/2009 7:17:54 AM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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To: indcons

What part of “Lie” was untrue?

Obama can kiss my Obama.

He’s slime mold.

He’s below the septic tank.

He sucks green Pelosi eggs.


4 posted on 09/10/2009 7:18:17 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: indcons
Someone should do some research on previous joint sessions in history and if there were any vocal disagreements with the presidents.

I have to believe from history that those sessions had to be more raucous than today.

5 posted on 09/10/2009 7:18:24 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: indcons

And ther is plenty of video of those events...


6 posted on 09/10/2009 7:18:28 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: indcons

Then this idiot apoligizes. What a bunch of crap!


7 posted on 09/10/2009 7:19:44 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: indcons

Hypocrites, I thought so.


8 posted on 09/10/2009 7:19:47 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: indcons

If he had said, “That’s not true” it would have been more akin to the treatment Bush got.
But saying “You Lie” is a direct personal attack - a bit different.
Even though he is the Liar-in Chief


9 posted on 09/10/2009 7:20:11 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: y6162

10 posted on 09/10/2009 7:20:24 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: chris37

The Lie was obvious to even the most casual observer. Maybe he just wasn’t suppose say verbally what everyone was thinking.


11 posted on 09/10/2009 7:21:40 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: onedoug

Exactly! This idiot should have stood his ground. After all, he merely told the truth about the muslim-in-chief.


12 posted on 09/10/2009 7:22:22 AM PDT by indcons
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To: indcons
I think it's because Congressional Republicans have used the health care debate to vent a deeper, uglier contempt for Obama that verges on the personal.

They've done little to discourage the party's fringes from questioning Obama's legitimacy to serve through the birther movement

Really? So it was never ugly or personal with Bush, eh?

So the Dims discouraged their party's fringe from going on for months and years about Bush's illegitimacy because of "stealing the election". Why, Mme Sec. herself made reference to Bush's illegitimacy only a couple of weeks ago.

Pfft. What nonsense.

13 posted on 09/10/2009 7:23:18 AM PDT by what's up
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To: indcons

Hot Air has the video:

http://hotair.com/


14 posted on 09/10/2009 7:23:31 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: nuconvert

How is it an “attack” if what Obama is saying is a lie?????


15 posted on 09/10/2009 7:24:53 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: indcons

16 posted on 09/10/2009 7:25:02 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Welcome to the Revolution.)
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To: KeyLargo

17 posted on 09/10/2009 7:25:59 AM PDT by indcons
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To: onedoug

He apologized for breaking the rule- not for what he said.
It was a rather Palinesque apology.


18 posted on 09/10/2009 7:26:06 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: indcons
Moreover, Obama's claim that illegal immigrants won't be covered -- which sparked Wilson's outburst -- while technically accurate, doesn't quite tell the entire story.

The entire story COULD have been told by our side but good ole' McCain chose not to when asked on The Today Show whether the claim was accurate. A resounding NO was all he could muster, which insures future invitations to get face time.

19 posted on 09/10/2009 7:27:05 AM PDT by StarFan
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To: ishabibble

Watching that video is just a momentary morale booster but since he groveled at the feet of the almighty Zero and his minions, it’s irrelevant—and HE’S irrelevant (Wilson).

Back to real leadership with Palin and Bachmann, put them ON THE TICKET TOGETHER, and forget the Repubs, they’re worthless.


20 posted on 09/10/2009 7:27:16 AM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: onedoug
Then this idiot apoligizes. What a bunch of crap!

He apologized for his outburst, not for the content. He apologized and got his point across-A win/win!

21 posted on 09/10/2009 7:27:38 AM PDT by Neverforget01 (Talk is cheap...except when Congress does it.)
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To: chris37

Obama had JUST called Republican critics “liars” in his speech.

Barack went before Congress so he could get Democrat applause on the key lines. That opened him up to counter response.

The Democrats were SILENT when a Code Pinko heckled John McCain at the GOP Convention in 2008 DURING his Presidential nomination acceptance speech.


22 posted on 09/10/2009 7:27:53 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Saying “You Lie” is personal, whether you want to consider it an ‘attack’ or not. It’s from saying “that’s not true”


23 posted on 09/10/2009 7:28:26 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: WHBates

Calling a liar a liar is gutsy, but necessary to maintain control of the agenda.
We know taking anything from government at face value is ceding complete ignorance of the consequences.

see tagline.


24 posted on 09/10/2009 7:28:53 AM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: nuconvert

It’s *different* from saying “That’s’s not true”


25 posted on 09/10/2009 7:29:13 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: WHBates

Yes, they should have been filming me for how many times I yelled at the TV, “you are a @!%^ing LIAR!!”.


26 posted on 09/10/2009 7:29:41 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: nuconvert

If I say that Mohammad Atta was not part of the 9/11 attacks, you could call me a liar without it being a “personal attack”.....BECAUSE IT IS A LIE!

Same with Obama and his claims.


27 posted on 09/10/2009 7:30:17 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It’s personal whenever the the word “you” is inserted


28 posted on 09/10/2009 7:31:58 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: indcons
Before the war, week after week after week after week, we were told lie after lie after lie after lie. - Senator Ted Kennedy Senate Floor Remarks October 16, 2003

Did he ever apologize?

29 posted on 09/10/2009 7:32:26 AM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Obama)
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To: nuconvert

I disagree — don’t any of you get that this wasn’t polical or about manners — it was a GESTURE that was inspired from a truly spiritual source, to wake the sleepwalkers from their trance.
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If he had said, “That’s not true” it would have been more akin to the treatment Bush got.
But saying “You Lie” is a direct personal attack - a bit different.
Even though he is the Liar-in Chief


30 posted on 09/10/2009 7:32:51 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: nuconvert

I disagree.

A lie is a lie.

I do not care one whit if I offend the sensibilities of a liar, as they have no character.


31 posted on 09/10/2009 7:33:14 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: silverleaf

Nonsense.


32 posted on 09/10/2009 7:33:30 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: indcons

HERO ---------------- Zero

33 posted on 09/10/2009 7:33:56 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: indcons

I left my thoughts on the Politico site re this article and among the things I said was the following:

Would the outcry from the loony Left be any different id Wilson had stood and shouted, instead of “Liar”, the word “Prevaricator”?

I think not.


34 posted on 09/10/2009 7:38:57 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: kabumpo

“it was a GESTURE that was inspired from a truly spiritual source, to wake the sleepwalkers from their trance.”

That’s fine. I’m just pointing out that it was different from booing or saying ‘No’ as was done to Bush.


35 posted on 09/10/2009 7:39:32 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: indcons

Why do people always apologize when they speak they’re mind. Geeshh!!!!!


36 posted on 09/10/2009 7:41:07 AM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.Stopsidsnow.com)
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To: indcons
I regret the loss of decorum, but our side didn't start it. Those who are grievously offended need to check out video of British Parliament in session and then grow thicker skins.
37 posted on 09/10/2009 7:41:47 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nuconvert; Slings and Arrows; Revolting cat!

He should’ve done as the heckler at Bob Dylan’s first British concert with electric guitar did and called him “Judas”. America is being sold out.


38 posted on 09/10/2009 7:48:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: CPT Clay

Maybe they should be called the “Hypocratic party”


39 posted on 09/10/2009 7:48:46 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: indcons

I notice in this article that the Democrats booed President Bush over the Patriot Act renewal. And have they repealed the Patriot Act yet?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


40 posted on 09/10/2009 7:50:11 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: what's up

I agree. If I had said it I would stick with it. I only apologize on substance not “this not the venue for that”. Really? I listened to Barry O. calling everyone under the sun LIARS.

Do understand that? LIARS! Did he say people are misinformed? NOPE, YOU ARE a LIAR!

Did he say the bill is very long and complicated and it would be understandable if you couldn’t take it all in? NOPE... LIARS.

He called out, specifically, people in talk radio, on the web, certain news outlets and “even some in this room”sic(Senators) and pointedly told them they were involved in a campaign of misinformation and that THEY ARE LIARS.

So why would one apologize when the are being called a LIAR?

Is the Presidential Podium sacrosanct? Off Limits?

Baloney, YOU LIE!


41 posted on 09/10/2009 7:51:39 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: indcons

Liberals are, by definition, hypocrites.


42 posted on 09/10/2009 7:52:16 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Obama lies:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/obamalies/index

And then there are the promises he broke:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/obamabreakspromises/index


43 posted on 09/10/2009 7:52:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: MEGoody

Socialists lie. Always.

They cannot win a debate in the arena of ideas so they lure the public into acceptance of their misguided and unsustainable system with lies.


44 posted on 09/10/2009 7:54:49 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: indcons
I sent Leader Boehner an email to express support for Wilson. Contact Leader Boehner
45 posted on 09/10/2009 7:55:17 AM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find!)
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To: indcons
If Death Panels weren't in any proposed bills then why was it pulled from one of the Senate Bills?

If Illegals aren't going to be covered then why did the House Committee vote to turn down the proposed amendment that would have made sure illegals weren't covered?

The Rats aren't fooling anyone and that's the only problem Obama is having.

46 posted on 09/10/2009 7:56:28 AM PDT by tobyhill (The Communist has arrived)
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To: indcons

Barack should be happy. This is the first “watercooler momenet” I can recall from an episode of The Obama Show on tv.


47 posted on 09/10/2009 7:56:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: indcons

the truth hurts....


48 posted on 09/10/2009 7:57:09 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: tobyhill
Incrementalism will accomplish these goals.

Ronald Reagan knew.

49 posted on 09/10/2009 7:57:58 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: indcons; JoeProBono; Daffynition; Lucky9teen

Now THAT’S “Must See TV!”


50 posted on 09/10/2009 8:00:12 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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