Posted on 09/10/2009 3:46:28 PM PDT by Moseley
"THE TOWER IS LEANING" declares the New York City policeman, ordering everyone to leave the area. This was the word passed down to all police officers in the area.
This ABC News clip broadcast on 9/11, PROVES ABSOLUTELY there was NO controlled demolition of the World Trade Center Twin Towers.
The North Tower started to buckle several minutes before it collapsed.
Controlled demolition is instantaneous. Explosives would cause the building to fall imemdiately. In fact, the speed of collapse is claimed as evidence of controlled demolition.
"The Tower is LEANING" the police see, several minutes before collapse.
The police could see that the tower was coming down before it started moving.
Then a bystander says he saw the tower buckling before collapse. Explosives did NOT bring down the WTC Twin Towers.
The North Tower was leaning and buckling for SEVERAL MINUTES before it gave way.
This (and every other detail) is totally unlike any controlled demolition.
Ok, they trying to talk the loons down ehh.
Tell teh Joneses — Van and Alex.
Like we needed an explanation. The loonies will still never beleive, they are up there with flat Earth and no moon landing. Buy stock in THorazine makers, we’ve got a lot of goofies out there..
The towers were specifically built to collapse straight down in case of catastrophe so that they wouldn’t fall over and destroy surrounding buildings.
They acted just as they were supposed to.
That was special effects.
Would that not cause it to fall in the direction of the lean? [Devils Advocate]
Don’t forget to tell Phil Berg.
No one will ever convince those ‘truther’ idiots. They are consumed with hate and really should be institutionalized!
Good information. Add to it the fact that two jetliners crashed into the buildings.
The rescuer was obviously in on the plot.
Anyone who believes the Towers were demolished by our govt. has severe mental problems.
Small details that don't prove a thing. ;)
I have often thought about how lucky we were that "only" 3,000 people died. As you point out, if either of the towers had tumbled over, like a fallen tree, the death toll would have been exponentially worse considering the population density in the area immediately surrounding ground zero.
Also, I think it's fortunate that the planes actually hit as high as they did on the buildings, presumably giving many more people the opportunity to escape. And all that says nothing of the fact that one of the planes crashed into an empty field, rather than some DC landmark, including the Capitol building. 3,000 people died, but with just a few twists of fate, it could have been so much worse.
The fact that they did not fall over in the opposite direction of the planes impact is a testimony to their strength. I am not a bit surprised they would be leaning away from the impact direction quite quickly. Thank God the buildings did collapse as intended or the death toll would have been so much higher.........
....and I might add need to be brought up on sedition charges.
The towers were specifically built to collapse straight down in case of catastrophe so that they wouldn’t fall over and destroy surrounding buildings. They acted just as they were supposed to.
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This is absolutely correct, although with some clarification. I asked my architect friend Karl C about this, and he spent most of his time spitting nails about how the 9/11 Truthers are evil and I should have nothing to do with them.
But when I got him to focus, he expalined that ALL modern office buildings are designed with “LOAD-SHIFTING’ features that distribute the load around the buiding horizontally.
THe purpose however is to resist collapse and to hope that either the occupants will have more time to escape or the buiding might not fall. But a side effet of this design is that WHEN the building collapses, the weight is focused down the centerline.
Example: When one side of the buiding was damaged, the twin towers did not collapse. EVERYONE was able to evacuate the twin towers except those trapped above the fires and the firefighters trying to help them.
The “load shifting” design bought the 50,000 people who worked there the time to escape.
The damaged side of the building is held up by the undamaged sides (they were damaged by fire, but I mean initially). The load is shifted horizontally around the building. That is how the damaged side was able to stand up from 9:03 to 9:58 AM in one tower and 8:45 to 10:28 AM in the other tower.
Traditionally, an older design for a building would have simply collapsed on the damaged side immediately, and the rest of the building would have followed.
The goal is the hope that the building will stay up. But a consequence of this load-shifting is that WHEN the building is overwhelmed, the building fails EVERYWHERE across the horizontal cross-section. If not, it would still stay up. It resits as long as it can.
So the design of EVERY floor, each floor considered independenty, focuses the collapse down the centerline like a lens or a funnel. Each floor is TRYING to resist the collapse by shifting the load and bearing up the load across the horizontal cross-section.
So, as my architect friend sputtered in frustration, the collapse that we saw on 9/11 is INEVITABLE and unavoidable.
Furthermore, it is a MYTH that the collapses were as neat as claimed.
The fact is that 95% of the debris fell outside the footprint. The collapse was actually very messy. The building did fall down the centerline. But it was incredibly sloppy and nothing at all like any controlled demolition.
more evidence that ABC News is part of the vast right-wing conspiracy.
Good post, thanks for the info.
The mass of the upper portions of the towers was too great for this to happen. The upper portion mostly stayed intact but the momentum it gained in the fall was much too great for the lower portion of the building to handle. The entire top fell down as a unit and crushed straight through the lower portion of the buildings, like the world’s largest sledgehammer. The top of the bottom portion couldn’t support something that enormous crashing down all at once, so it didn’t fall over, but instead rotated somewhat on its way down, though not a lot as the rotational momentum was slowed by the presence of the lower portion of the building, which could not support a falling body of such mass and was obliterated.
His dad is a nut, too. Apple-tree...etc.
We’re supposed to believe that Bush and Cheney are incompetent. Unable to even read a childrens book.
And yet they engineered 9/11 and kept anyone involved from talking.
oh and created the first instance in history where fire melted steel.
a dvd i saw called, i think, Witness Hoboken, has some interesting footage in it, showing with very good audio and vid synchronization, several loud explosions near the bottom of the tower, seconds before the collapse starts...
it is fascinating as it has never been shown on any other broadcast ive seen....
i think it stuff such as this that allows folks to think the worst....
the dvd covers the beginning to the end...including a running live broadcast of a ny radio station, basically blow by blow with the tv coverage, disturbing, frightening, enraging...etc...
good quality too....i would recommend it just to see what you are up against...
I was home, recovering from a work injury. I had got in the habit of doing internet while watching Fox and Friends, though I hadn’t found FR yet.
I was watching when E.D. Hill said that there was news of a small plane hitting the WTC, and the reportage of this “accident” continued until the second plane went in. I knew, then, and I think so did everyone else. I called my mother, who lives elsewhere in the state, after the second plane to get her to turn on the TV, and we called back and forth a couple of times during the morning.
My sister, who lived in Finland at the time, was visiting our mother; they had just been to visit me, and my sister had brought one of her Finnish friends to try to match up with me (it didn’t take, and she and I are happily wed to others today), and they were back at Mom’s, getting ready to fly back to Finland on the 12th (which obviously didn’t happen...they got out 3 or 4 days later).
This friend was a structural engineer by trade. During either the first or second call, before it happened, she said “those buildings will fall; they cannot stand.” We asked “how will they fall?” Fearing for those caught under them falling like trees. “Probably straight down,” she said. So when it happened we were not terribly surprised, and I was immunized against all of the “deliberate demolition” conspiracy theories before they appeared.
An explosion is really nothing more than an instantaneous release of energy. Most people (including me) can’t fully comprehend the amount of energy stored in a structure as large as the WTC. But, a good way to think of it is by comparing it to a giant sheet of ice. If you have ever heard and felt a 2 foot thick layer of ice you are standing on crack (It’ll make you pucker), you have a microscopic understanding of what was happening inside the WTC before the collapse. So, were there secondary “explosions”. No doubt, but not the kind made my bombs. They were the kind made by the building cracking apart from the inside.
LMAO!!!
Maybe next, ABC can report about how they can “prove” the earth is not flat after all.
Better yet, maybe they’ll sic one of their crack journalists on the Ubama birth story.
Nothing could be more idiotic than the controlled demolition theory here.
why are all the smart people here in Freeperville?
Charlie Sheen never graduated from high school. He was expelled for poor grades and attendance. ‘Nuff said.
There’s nowhere else left to go. ;^)
You are correct in so many ways, about the load-shifting, how it tries to transfer load-stress horizontally across a floor, so that that load-shifting and continuing vertical support below undamaged areas of the same floor, will keep that floor “upright”, and how the general result of that dynamic will tend to focus the total affect of the load-shift to the core. Yes.
But, it was the combination of the nature of some of the catastrophic damage that took place, and the unique nature of the structure of the Twin Towers that MIGHT, taken together, have both contributed to the initial-collapsing floors and also worked to concentrate the weight of the collapsing load towards the core.
The uniqueness of the Twin Towers was that unlike most (most all, I believe) similar looking high-rise buildings, the vertical support design of the structure WAS different.
With most all other high-rise buildings, the outer-most vertical elements, that are clad with an exterior finishing material (the curtain wall you see when you look at the building) are but one series of many such series of vertical supports, from the outer-most wall to the inner core of the building.
That was not the case with the Twin Towers.
One of the selling features that the planners pitched with the Twin Towers was that the tenants’ space (and laying it out) would NOT be encumbered by dozens of vertical support pillars running through the space between the windows and the building core.
The outer-most wall (the steel girders it was made of) WAS the “other” vertical support besides the inner core. There were not multiple sets of vertical pillars between the outer-most wall and the core.
However, and in fact, due to the “load-shifting” calculations resulting from that design, a contract for specially designed and specially hardened steel girders was given to a Japanese company, just for the Twin Towers, because, until the Twin Towers, girders to those specifications had not ever been made.
The other feature they employed, to strengthen the floors, help carry the load across a larger open (vertical support free) space, and assist in the horizontal load shifting, was that the steel girders of the “floors” were not a simple one-dimensional horizontal placement of girders.
They were constructed as trusses, where a “single span” consists of an “upper” and a “lower” member joined in multiple places from end to end by diagonal uprights between the top and bottom of the truss. Just think of two parallel lines with a sort of continual “z” configuration running between them. That’s a truss. And the trusses are what joined the outer-most walls with the inner core (made the “floors”), with no vertical supports in-between.
I don’t think any engineers have confirmed that the design elements and how the structural elements worked and how they were affected by the particular damage they received was the cause of the very start of the “pancake” affect. But, as far as I know, no architects, since 9/11 have proposed buildings that employ the unique vertical design feature of the Twin Towers, for buildings so large - a single outer-edge vertical support system with no other vertical support until the core.
I have never seen any 9/11 truther explain how explosives could have survived the plane crash, assuming they could hit the exact floor where the explosive were planted. You can’t tell floors from the outside. Especially from a plane traveling 350 mph.
Actually, it was 540 MPH, which makes your point stronger.
Even if the demolition explosives were not destroyed by the impact, they would have been detonated prematurely by the blazing fire which ran from 903 AM to 9:58 AM in one tower and from 8:45 AM to 10:28 AM in the other tower.
And anyelectronic controller devices would have melted in teh fire and would not be operative.
And then again WHERE would the demolition explosives be installed? The WTC architectural design did not include convenient empty spaces for installing bombs. During normal demolition, explosives are strapped on the outside of the support columns, where they are very obvious and visible. But in the 9/11 conspiracy theory alternate universe, the explosives had to be invisible to the 50,000 workers and staff in teh WTC.
So someone would have to open up the walls, install explosives against the support columns, then seal up the walls, mud them over with drywall joint compound, wait for the joint compound to dry, sand the joint compound smooth, paint the walls, and then wait for the paint to dry. But there woudl be no room in the wall for explosives.
Dear ExGeeEye: After reading your very compelling story about the advance prediction from your sister’s friend, the Finnish engineer, that the buildings would fall exactly as they did....
.... I find myself wondering if perhaps we should listen to professional architects and engineers when trying to understand what happened on 9/11?
NAAAH!!!
It is so much more fun to grope in teh dark and imagine all kinds of things without knowing what we are talking about.
Why everyone is so determiend to NOT listen to people who build buildings and design buildings is astonishing.
By the time the combined wreackage hit an undamaged floor it was heavy enough to break an unweakened floor, so the collapse continued down the building (You can see windows blowing out sequentially as it happens.)
Now you have the intact building section above the impact zone sitting on top of a hollow tube. Piston. Crush. The central building core guides it down.
The Tower wasn’t leaning. The very top of the roof was dipping on one side due to warping of steel.
Why would clear facts change the mind of Charlie and friends?
Like little children the left wants to have it both ways...stupid is just not strong enough of a word...
The "apparent explosion(s)" were not explosions at all. They were, very simply, due to the "piston effect": As each upper floor in the growing "stack" of falling floors fell onto the floor below it, the air, smoke flame, dust, and contents of that lower floor were "squeezed out" and displaced laterally in a big "puff".
No explosions. No mystery. Simple high school physics...
The steel did not "melt"
Watch a blacksmith at work, and you will see that steel heated to red heat is so soft that it can be molded like putty by the blacksmith's hammer.
Furthermore, that once-strong steel, when cooled slowly, is so weak it can be bent with your bare hands (that's called "annealing").
Returning the steel to its prior strength and hardness requires re-heating it and "quenching" it by plunging it into water to cool it quickly.
Watch a blacksmith forge a knife. You will never again be amazed that the girders in the WTC -- when exposed to tons of burning jet fuel -- weakened to the point that the buildings collapsed.
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