Skip to comments.Obama sets stage for using budget maneuver to pass health reform
Posted on 09/11/2009 6:05:15 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
President Barack Obama this week has been laying the foundation for Senate Democrats to use a controversial budget maneuver to pass healthcare reform.
By offering Republicans olive branches during his address to Congress on Wednesday, Obama has set up a win-win situation. If GOP lawmakers embrace compromise, a healthcare bill would pass Congress easily. But the more likely scenario is that Republicans will continue to oppose Obamas plan, and the president later this fall will be able to note he tried to strike a deal with the GOP but could not.
That will set up a Democratic argument that Senate leaders have been forced to use a partisan budget tool known as reconciliation to pass a health bill through the Senate by a simple majority, instead of 60 votes. Under the budget plan they passed earlier this year, Democrats could invoke the reconciliation process on Oct. 15.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
Look at this statement: "If you misrepresent the contents of this bill, we will call you out."
Joe Wilson's response: "President Obama, you are misrepresenting the contents of this bill, and I am calling you out."
Democrat and media response: "Totally unacceptable! I can't believe he said that! What nerve!"
The Democrats are not engaging in political dsicussion anymore. They want what they want, and they expect that their opposition will just shut up and take it. And John McCain supports that.
This article reads like it could have been written by Rahm Emanuel or David Axelrod.
In Cincinnati on Monday, Obama blamed the "usual bickering in Washington" for the "funk" supporters of healthcare reform were enduring. And in a discussion with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va., on Tuesday, Obama said "there are a lot of politicians like that who, all they're thinking about is just, How do I get reelected? and so they never actually get anything done."
Then on Wednesday night, Obama sought to portray his health reform plan as one that contains both Republican and Democratic ideas.
"The time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed," Obama said. "Now is the season for action."
Rep. Joe Wilsons (R-S.C.) outburst on Wednesday was an unexpected gift to the White House, accentuating Obamas point that bitter politics is getting in the way of improving the healthcare of Americans.
His speech looks to be an exact set-up for this.
Charles Krauthammer said it correctly. 0bama is a snake oil salesman.
I don't believe he will get away with this. Hardcore liberals think he is a visionary. But the Independent voters and seniors are on to him!
The argument they were “forced” won’t fly even if they do use the nuke option. They will do so at their own risk.
I’m not one who believes once it is passed, if that happens, that it cannot be either undone or so drastically amended it will bear little or no resemblance to what this bozo wants for us today. And once the libs open Pandora’s box by using the nuke option they will have forever changed the rules of the game and will themselves suffer when they lose control of the Congress which, of course they will do at some point.
The liberals have always been unable to foresee the consequences of their actions and this is merely another example.
Let’s rock Kenyan!
“Look at this statement: “If you misrepresent the contents of this bill, we will call you out.””
This comment could easily backfire on Obama and end up in a very effective Repub tv ad outlining his inaccuracies.
The article states that Jow Wilson was a gift to the WH.
BUT the Independent voters all agree with Joe Wilson.
The WH is banking on Alinsky tactics working on many fools. What they don’t see... because they are blinded with power, is that it only pleases his hardcore left base. All else see what is going on.
Obama is way to suspiciously obsessed with a healthcare reform.
To me it reeks of an ulterior motive and I suspect and ultimately could show that Obama is using this as a keystone approach to advance socialism upon America, with a passing of this bill he will open up a new multi lane highway of directives where he can make laws, restrictions and selections of services by the Federal Government into every single American’s daily lifestyle.
Its a perfect host program to evolve into a pogrom.
—elections have consequences—and for those who think this stuff will get repealed when “we” “take control”, what has ever been repealed as for as federal legislation since Prohibition?
I don’t think anyone honestly believes that Obama has offered anything in the way of “olive branches”. Reconciliation will not be a “win” at all. The public will it as a nakedly partisan tactic to push a bill they don’t want, and the Republicans will likely be able to turn it into swiss cheese with parliamentary tactics.
“+++I hope they do it. Then when we take power in 2010 we can ram whatever we want down their throats without worrying about that pesky filibuster.++++”
Is it just me? Am I the only one that thinks 2010 ain’t going to make a difference? I feel the system has become so corrupt that I have no idea who to trust...Republicans included. These radical groups have a lot of money and power, they ain’t going to let the 2010 election stop them. They’ll either use voter fraud or plant Rinos that speak eloquently to get into office then pull a Arlen Specter!!
US citizens, regardless of political party, need to send a message loud and clear to those who would lead: you work for us, you will listen, or you will be fired, period. I don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, etc. When they start acting like they know best and we don't matter, they are gone.
IMO it won’t happen. This is just more pressure to get the Dems to unify and to scare a few Reps into joining a “compromise.”
Ecactly. 0bama was told when the rats returned from vacations WHO it was that is ticked off beyond belief.
(Of course conservatives are the MOST ticked, off 0bama could give a rats petard about) INDEPENDENTS and seniors... 0bama’s teleprompter speech was set up to appeal to these exact people...
AND THEY THINK IT WORKED!
I agree with you. It is a vicious cycle.
I don't think he has the guts to do it because he knows it would be almost instant political suicide.
0bama is a snake oil salesman bold faced LIAR!
—Barack Obama eases Democrats’ doubts—
Go ahead Obammy!
I don’t think he has the guts to do it because he knows it would be almost instant political suicide.
The Evil One doesn’t care about anything but advancing his agenda of destroying America. He wants a USSA. The polls be damned.
I think the "inextricable problem" is a very likely scenario. There's no convenient briar patch to offer him cover, either. I just hope the dullard GOP crowd doesn't pull him free of the tar.
Mid-term elections are when the base comes out. The Republican Party is doing nothing to galvanize their base, so that helps the Democrats. And Obama and Pelosi are pushing ideas that will galvanize the Democrat base. And then there's the voter fraud issue.
2010 will not help us. And I beleive that by 2013 the illegal aliens will have amnesty and will be able to vote.
I have "zero" faith in our electoral system at this point. It's over.
Make Obama tally exactly what half of the bill he wants both came from Republicans and is endorsed by a majority of Republicans.
Otherwise it is calling people derogatory things and insisting on complete capitulation.
what has ever been repealed as for as federal legislation since Prohibition?
How about the border fence?
I’m supporting Eric Cantor, the minority whip, because his common sense approach to health care makes sense to me. He’s proposing a 24% surcharge on health benefits which will help keep illegal aliens out of our hospitals. I had to take my kid to the ER last weekend and the place was loaded with em. I guess that’s the way Obammy likes it.
The WSJ ran an article a few weeks back pointing out the hollow threat of reconciliation. If reconciliation is used, all items in the bill which do not deal directly with revenue are stripped out. So you would have a bill with the same fiscal amounts, but most of the policy making portions of the bill — the vast majority, if I understand correctly — can not be included in the bill.
If they do it, be prepared for another civil war.
It still requires a bill to be out of the House FIRST with 218, right now it's a fight to get those. If they get Blue Dogs on board, they lose the Black Caucus, vice versa. If they do eke out something phony, intended to allow the Senate to strike the language to insert a deal that is passed with this nuclear option, that bill will need to go back to the House where it again must garner 218 ... I will say again, I just don't see it happening.
I am positive that not one Democrat has read the bill.
FOX had a Dem pundit on yesterday, who kept saying that we need to pass this thing immediately because of all those millions of desperate people who need care NOW! they can’t wait a minute longer. To take the time to think this through and argue out the details would cause people to die. AND BY GOD, WE CAN”T ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO SUFFER ANY LONGER!
What confused me, nobody on the panel told this crazed woman that the plan won’t even take effect until 2013. Obviously, she had no clue and displayed the emotional sensationalism and gross ignorance of the Left.
I would imagine that the Democrats might like that.
As far as I understand it, reconciliation applies only to those provisions directly related to taxes and expenditures.
I just don’t think the Democrats will do so, because when it all comes tumbling down as the unmitigated disaster it is, they won’t be able to claim it was a bipartisan measure. It will be THEIR VERY OWN FOX UNIFORM and conservatives can drive the stake through their hearts come 2010 and 2012.
Reconciliation will not be imposed, not with the usual Rino participants on hand.
Meaning, they can only raise taxes, or cut other things to pay for it. It must pass the ‘sniff test’ of the CBO of being fully paid for.
“I feel the system has become so corrupt that I have no idea who to trust...Republicans included.”
Ditto - shameless plug:
Money is the mothers milk of politics. The best way to defeat death-care is to donate to the republican party in one way or another I’m afraid. The demoncrats will notice and they will be afraid. Ante up. Dollars are weapons now.
Oh please! Don’t throw the bill in that brierpatch!
I firmly believe there is something (National ID cards)for starters... in this stinking bill that 0bama needs desparately for the UN’s announcement of global economy. So he is not worried about re election. His bluedogs will have to take one for the team.
ObaMao himself said that there needs to be taxes on “unhealthy” lifestyles, habits, foods and behaviors.
And they will pass Crap & Tax under the same idealistic cause. It will be touted as being vital to producing revenue for the “Public Option”. It will also be claimed as the fastest way to make Americans “healthy” again.
This thing is a fast track Trojan Horse that will trigger ObaMao’s entire agenda of National Socialist Fascism.
Healthcare “Reform” is Lexington
Public Option is Concord
Reconciliation is the Bridge
Remember when we owned the white house, the senate and house? Could we get our judges in? No because the republicans are a bunch of P*ssys! The republicans are apology filled leaders. Sorry they got elected, Sorry they voted against democrats, Just Sorry.
Thank you for that------the thought of these turds operating inside our WH is nauseating. Rahm and Axelrod hatched Obama and are as shocked as anyone that this rooster actually won.
Opportunistic Rahm will use Obama like he uses everyone else... as a stepping-stone to more power and money. Obama was his ticket to untold riches.
These greedy turds have access to the US treasury, banks, auto companies and, trillions from the health care system. Rahm and his bro Dr Zeke will become billionaires. They are wire-transferring as we type.
Soon Rahm will move on........ as Americans cope with a bankrupt country.
David Copperfield's ingratiating scoundrel fits Rahm to a tee. Uriah Heep was notorious for wielding undue influence, a manipulative bounder who was always planning and plotting, ingratiating himself into the confidence of others. Uriah Heep was obsequious, manipulative, and wormed his way into positions of influence. Uriah was a consummate con man, and not to be trusted.
Translated into the language of the popular culture, Uriah Heeps, like Rahm, position themselves as amenable to American values but are insincere in these public posturings; he uses important issues to advance his hidden agendas and political ambitions.
Like Uriah Heep, power-hungry Rahm feeds on others, and deploys self-serving strategies for his own self-absorbed purposes.
We conservatives are on to this. We see that Rahm evinces an utter contempt for our culture and is obsessed with party politics. Watch him speak---Rahm coyly speaks the language to appeal to American values, but he is not a true believer, he is a calculating conniver----a latter-day Uriah Heep.
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