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Obama sets stage for using budget maneuver to pass health reform
hehill.com ^ | September 11, 2009 | Sam Youngman

Posted on 09/11/2009 6:05:15 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

President Barack Obama this week has been laying the foundation for Senate Democrats to use a controversial budget maneuver to pass healthcare reform.

By offering Republicans olive branches during his address to Congress on Wednesday, Obama has set up a win-win situation. If GOP lawmakers embrace compromise, a healthcare bill would pass Congress easily. But the more likely scenario is that Republicans will continue to oppose Obama’s plan, and the president later this fall will be able to note he tried to strike a deal with the GOP but could not.

That will set up a Democratic argument that Senate leaders have been forced to use a partisan budget tool known as reconciliation to pass a health bill through the Senate by a simple majority, instead of 60 votes. Under the budget plan they passed earlier this year, Democrats could invoke the reconciliation process on Oct. 15.

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1 posted on 09/11/2009 6:05:16 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Well, I think this is true. Obama's attempts at "compromise" were not meaningful or sincere. He wants the excuse to go nuclear -- it sets a precedence which he can use later for Amnesty and other things.

Look at this statement: "If you misrepresent the contents of this bill, we will call you out."

Joe Wilson's response: "President Obama, you are misrepresenting the contents of this bill, and I am calling you out."

Democrat and media response: "Totally unacceptable! I can't believe he said that! What nerve!"

The Democrats are not engaging in political dsicussion anymore. They want what they want, and they expect that their opposition will just shut up and take it. And John McCain supports that.

2 posted on 09/11/2009 6:10:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
I hope they do it. Then when we take power in 2010 we can ram whatever we want down their throats without worrying about that pesky filibuster.
3 posted on 09/11/2009 6:11:55 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

This article reads like it could have been written by Rahm Emanuel or David Axelrod.


4 posted on 09/11/2009 6:13:09 AM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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Republicans contend that the use of reconciliation would be at odds with Obama’s call for bipartisanship during his 2008 presidential campaign. But Obama has countered that argument in recent days by forcefully resurrecting the anti-Washington rhetoric that got him elected.

In Cincinnati on Monday, Obama blamed the "usual bickering in Washington" for the "funk" supporters of healthcare reform were enduring. And in a discussion with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va., on Tuesday, Obama said "there are a lot of politicians like that who, all they're thinking about is just, ‘How do I get reelected?’ and so they never actually get anything done."

Then on Wednesday night, Obama sought to portray his health reform plan as one that contains both Republican and Democratic ideas.

"The time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed," Obama said. "Now is the season for action."

Rep. Joe Wilson’s (R-S.C.) outburst on Wednesday was an unexpected gift to the White House, accentuating Obama’s point that bitter politics is getting in the way of improving the healthcare of Americans.

His speech looks to be an exact set-up for this.

Charles Krauthammer said it correctly. 0bama is a snake oil salesman.

I don't believe he will get away with this. Hardcore liberals think he is a visionary. But the Independent voters and seniors are on to him!

5 posted on 09/11/2009 6:13:28 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

The argument they were “forced” won’t fly even if they do use the nuke option. They will do so at their own risk.

I’m not one who believes once it is passed, if that happens, that it cannot be either undone or so drastically amended it will bear little or no resemblance to what this bozo wants for us today. And once the libs open Pandora’s box by using the nuke option they will have forever changed the rules of the game and will themselves suffer when they lose control of the Congress which, of course they will do at some point.

The liberals have always been unable to foresee the consequences of their actions and this is merely another example.


6 posted on 09/11/2009 6:13:33 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: ClearCase_guy

“go nuclear”

Let’s rock Kenyan!


7 posted on 09/11/2009 6:13:57 AM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Look at this statement: “If you misrepresent the contents of this bill, we will call you out.””

This comment could easily backfire on Obama and end up in a very effective Repub tv ad outlining his inaccuracies.


8 posted on 09/11/2009 6:15:51 AM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The article states that Jow Wilson was a gift to the WH.
BUT the Independent voters all agree with Joe Wilson.

The WH is banking on Alinsky tactics working on many fools. What they don’t see... because they are blinded with power, is that it only pleases his hardcore left base. All else see what is going on.


9 posted on 09/11/2009 6:16:56 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Obama is way to suspiciously obsessed with a healthcare reform.

To me it reeks of an ulterior motive and I suspect and ultimately could show that Obama is using this as a keystone approach to advance socialism upon America, with a passing of this bill he will open up a new multi lane highway of directives where he can make laws, restrictions and selections of services by the Federal Government into every single American’s daily lifestyle.

Its a perfect host program to evolve into a pogrom.


10 posted on 09/11/2009 6:17:20 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

—elections have consequences—and for those who think this stuff will get repealed when “we” “take control”, what has ever been repealed as for as federal legislation since Prohibition?


11 posted on 09/11/2009 6:17:25 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

I don’t think anyone honestly believes that Obama has offered anything in the way of “olive branches”. Reconciliation will not be a “win” at all. The public will it as a nakedly partisan tactic to push a bill they don’t want, and the Republicans will likely be able to turn it into swiss cheese with parliamentary tactics.


12 posted on 09/11/2009 6:19:08 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“+++I hope they do it. Then when we take power in 2010 we can ram whatever we want down their throats without worrying about that pesky filibuster.++++”

Is it just me? Am I the only one that thinks 2010 ain’t going to make a difference? I feel the system has become so corrupt that I have no idea who to trust...Republicans included. These radical groups have a lot of money and power, they ain’t going to let the 2010 election stop them. They’ll either use voter fraud or plant Rinos that speak eloquently to get into office then pull a Arlen Specter!!


13 posted on 09/11/2009 6:19:54 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
They try that and Americans should vote out every single Democrat in every election for the next 20 years. The 'rats are showing that they really do not care about the will of the American public - the very people they were elected to represent. The 'rats in power seem to have forgotten that they work for us, they serve at our pleasure. They try this stunt of forcing socialist healthcare on us, bankrupting the Country, they are out on their backsides.

US citizens, regardless of political party, need to send a message loud and clear to those who would lead: you work for us, you will listen, or you will be fired, period. I don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, etc. When they start acting like they know best and we don't matter, they are gone.

14 posted on 09/11/2009 6:20:26 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
By offering Republicans olive branches during his address to Congress on Wednesday

Is he freaking kidding me?

Sorry about that.
15 posted on 09/11/2009 6:22:03 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: rellimpank
The republicans won't have the gonads to do to the democrats what they do the republicans. If the Repubs ever get back into some sort of power, they will immediately start “reaching across the aisle” and trying to work together and including dems in key power positions. You almost have to respect the dems as power brokers because they go for the throat and do not let up till they get what they want. They are all a bunch of worthless politicians, for themselves and only themselves. The repubs will always get what they deserve due to their spineless actions. The problem is that we suffer with them.
16 posted on 09/11/2009 6:22:45 AM PDT by lynn4303
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

IMO it won’t happen. This is just more pressure to get the Dems to unify and to scare a few Reps into joining a “compromise.”


17 posted on 09/11/2009 6:24:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ThunderSleeps

Ecactly. 0bama was told when the rats returned from vacations WHO it was that is ticked off beyond belief.
(Of course conservatives are the MOST ticked, off 0bama could give a rats petard about) INDEPENDENTS and seniors... 0bama’s teleprompter speech was set up to appeal to these exact people...

AND THEY THINK IT WORKED!


18 posted on 09/11/2009 6:25:35 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: mikelets456

I agree with you. It is a vicious cycle.


19 posted on 09/11/2009 6:27:22 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Obama has set up a win-win situation.

Or a tar baby that he himself will get trapped in.
20 posted on 09/11/2009 6:28:13 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Why buy health insurance at all if you can't be turned down for any pre-existing conditions?)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Go ahead Obammy!

I don't think he has the guts to do it because he knows it would be almost instant political suicide.

21 posted on 09/11/2009 6:28:32 AM PDT by tobyhill (The Communist has arrived)
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To: tobyhill

0bama is a snake oil salesman bold faced LIAR!

—Barack Obama eases Democrats’ doubts—

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27017.html


22 posted on 09/11/2009 6:32:36 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: tobyhill

Go ahead Obammy!
I don’t think he has the guts to do it because he knows it would be almost instant political suicide.
_________________________________________

The Evil One doesn’t care about anything but advancing his agenda of destroying America. He wants a USSA. The polls be damned.


23 posted on 09/11/2009 6:37:11 AM PDT by unkus
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To: St. Louis Conservative
" I don’t think anyone honestly believes that Obama has offered anything in the way of “olive branches”

The only thing he has offered is the crappy end of the stick.
24 posted on 09/11/2009 6:37:18 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Question Liberal Authority
Or a tar baby that he himself will get trapped in.

I think the "inextricable problem" is a very likely scenario. There's no convenient briar patch to offer him cover, either. I just hope the dullard GOP crowd doesn't pull him free of the tar.

25 posted on 09/11/2009 6:37:51 AM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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To: mikelets456
It's not just you. I'm convinced that 2010 will not matter.

Mid-term elections are when the base comes out. The Republican Party is doing nothing to galvanize their base, so that helps the Democrats. And Obama and Pelosi are pushing ideas that will galvanize the Democrat base. And then there's the voter fraud issue.

2010 will not help us. And I beleive that by 2013 the illegal aliens will have amnesty and will be able to vote.

I have "zero" faith in our electoral system at this point. It's over.

26 posted on 09/11/2009 6:39:03 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Name calling is not olive branches.

Make Obama tally exactly what half of the bill he wants both came from Republicans and is endorsed by a majority of Republicans.

Otherwise it is calling people derogatory things and insisting on complete capitulation.

27 posted on 09/11/2009 6:39:41 AM PDT by rod1
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To: rellimpank
I'm not picking sides, but in answer to your question.....

what has ever been repealed as for as federal legislation since Prohibition?

How about the border fence?

28 posted on 09/11/2009 6:40:58 AM PDT by nitzy (Only a liberal could believe that one becomes a human at birth AND one becomes gay at conception.)
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To: rellimpank

I’m supporting Eric Cantor, the minority whip, because his common sense approach to health care makes sense to me. He’s proposing a 24% surcharge on health benefits which will help keep illegal aliens out of our hospitals. I had to take my kid to the ER last weekend and the place was loaded with em. I guess that’s the way Obammy likes it.


29 posted on 09/11/2009 6:41:15 AM PDT by Chatty Kathy
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

The WSJ ran an article a few weeks back pointing out the hollow threat of reconciliation. If reconciliation is used, all items in the bill which do not deal directly with revenue are stripped out. So you would have a bill with the same fiscal amounts, but most of the policy making portions of the bill — the vast majority, if I understand correctly — can not be included in the bill.


30 posted on 09/11/2009 6:42:34 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

If they do it, be prepared for another civil war.


31 posted on 09/11/2009 6:45:25 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
That will set up a Democratic argument that Senate leaders have been forced to use a partisan budget tool known as reconciliation to pass a health bill through the Senate by a simple majority, instead of 60 votes.

It still requires a bill to be out of the House FIRST with 218, right now it's a fight to get those. If they get Blue Dogs on board, they lose the Black Caucus, vice versa. If they do eke out something phony, intended to allow the Senate to strike the language to insert a deal that is passed with this nuclear option, that bill will need to go back to the House where it again must garner 218 ... I will say again, I just don't see it happening.

32 posted on 09/11/2009 6:45:33 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

I am positive that not one Democrat has read the bill.

FOX had a Dem pundit on yesterday, who kept saying that we need to pass this thing immediately because of all those millions of desperate people who need care NOW! they can’t wait a minute longer. To take the time to think this through and argue out the details would cause people to die. AND BY GOD, WE CAN”T ALLOW THESE PEOPLE TO SUFFER ANY LONGER!

What confused me, nobody on the panel told this crazed woman that the plan won’t even take effect until 2013. Obviously, she had no clue and displayed the emotional sensationalism and gross ignorance of the Left.


33 posted on 09/11/2009 6:46:11 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: lynn4303

—yep—


34 posted on 09/11/2009 6:46:17 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Fractal Trader
I don't understand how these things work. Are you saying that reconciliation would allow (let's say) a trillion dollars to be set aside for Health Care Reform, but that no policies would be established to actually implement anything?

I would imagine that the Democrats might like that.

35 posted on 09/11/2009 6:46:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

As far as I understand it, reconciliation applies only to those provisions directly related to taxes and expenditures.


36 posted on 09/11/2009 6:49:41 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

I just don’t think the Democrats will do so, because when it all comes tumbling down as the unmitigated disaster it is, they won’t be able to claim it was a bipartisan measure. It will be THEIR VERY OWN FOX UNIFORM and conservatives can drive the stake through their hearts come 2010 and 2012.

Colonel, USAFR


37 posted on 09/11/2009 6:50:26 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Reconciliation will not be imposed, not with the usual Rino participants on hand.


38 posted on 09/11/2009 6:51:46 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Fractal Trader
If they go that route, it also has to be budget neutral.

Meaning, they can only raise taxes, or cut other things to pay for it. It must pass the ‘sniff test’ of the CBO of being fully paid for.

39 posted on 09/11/2009 6:51:52 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: mikelets456

“I feel the system has become so corrupt that I have no idea who to trust...Republicans included.”

Ditto - shameless plug:

http://josephandhisbrothers.blogspot.com/2009/07/george-washington-was-right.html

Colonel, USAFR


40 posted on 09/11/2009 6:53:38 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Money is the mothers milk of politics. The best way to defeat death-care is to donate to the republican party in one way or another I’m afraid. The demoncrats will notice and they will be afraid. Ante up. Dollars are weapons now.


41 posted on 09/11/2009 6:54:53 AM PDT by Paytriot (pay now or pay later)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Oh please! Don’t throw the bill in that brierpatch!


42 posted on 09/11/2009 7:01:26 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: jagusafr

I firmly believe there is something (National ID cards)for starters... in this stinking bill that 0bama needs desparately for the UN’s announcement of global economy. So he is not worried about re election. His bluedogs will have to take one for the team.


43 posted on 09/11/2009 7:01:28 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Beagle8U
According to the law it has to be “Budget Neutral”, but that won't stop them from raising taxes or adding taxes on about everything.

ObaMao himself said that there needs to be taxes on “unhealthy” lifestyles, habits, foods and behaviors.

And they will pass Crap & Tax under the same idealistic cause. It will be touted as being vital to producing revenue for the “Public Option”. It will also be claimed as the fastest way to make Americans “healthy” again.

This thing is a fast track Trojan Horse that will trigger ObaMao’s entire agenda of National Socialist Fascism.

44 posted on 09/11/2009 7:05:53 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: socialismisinsidious


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FReepmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this daily digest ping list (one ping per day of links to pertinent articles).




45 posted on 09/11/2009 7:07:47 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Healthcare “Reform” is Lexington

Public Option is Concord

Reconciliation is the Bridge


46 posted on 09/11/2009 7:07:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Remember when we owned the white house, the senate and house? Could we get our judges in? No because the republicans are a bunch of P*ssys! The republicans are apology filled leaders. Sorry they got elected, Sorry they voted against democrats, Just Sorry.


47 posted on 09/11/2009 7:14:38 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: moose2004
This article reads like it could have been written by Rahm Emanuel and Axelrod........................

Thank you for that------the thought of these turds operating inside our WH is nauseating. Rahm and Axelrod hatched Obama and are as shocked as anyone that this rooster actually won.

Opportunistic Rahm will use Obama like he uses everyone else... as a stepping-stone to more power and money. Obama was his ticket to untold riches.

These greedy turds have access to the US treasury, banks, auto companies and, trillions from the health care system. Rahm and his bro Dr Zeke will become billionaires. They are wire-transferring as we type.

Soon Rahm will move on........ as Americans cope with a bankrupt country.

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David Copperfield's ingratiating scoundrel fits Rahm to a tee. Uriah Heep was notorious for wielding undue influence, a manipulative bounder who was always planning and plotting, ingratiating himself into the confidence of others. Uriah Heep was obsequious, manipulative, and wormed his way into positions of influence. Uriah was a consummate con man, and not to be trusted.

Translated into the language of the popular culture, Uriah Heeps, like Rahm, position themselves as amenable to American values but are insincere in these public posturings; he uses important issues to advance his hidden agendas and political ambitions.

Like Uriah Heep, power-hungry Rahm feeds on others, and deploys self-serving strategies for his own self-absorbed purposes.

We conservatives are on to this. We see that Rahm evinces an utter contempt for our culture and is obsessed with party politics. Watch him speak---Rahm coyly speaks the language to appeal to American values, but he is not a true believer, he is a calculating conniver----a latter-day Uriah Heep.

48 posted on 09/11/2009 7:15:10 AM PDT by Liz
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
More Obama propaganda from the HILL , a DNC newsletter . Obama offering a olive branch . Please, the guy attacked the GOP and Palin and all dissenters . The Hill is doing its duty to spit out a fax from te WH meant o intimidate rep into giving up. The Rep Congress was insulted by his rants and are not buying it. The reconciliation threat is bogus since the Repub can stop Congress with procedural moves until Oct 15 when Reconciliation is not an option.
49 posted on 09/11/2009 7:15:49 AM PDT by ncalburt (Read all about)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
The Hill is so far left . Yesterday the Hill ran a supposed scandal about J Wilson which stated he took caffeine pills . The comment smocking the Hill writer was priceless. The Hill is run by Mort Kondrake , a brain dead DC insider leftists .
50 posted on 09/11/2009 7:19:41 AM PDT by ncalburt (Read all about)
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