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Health care plan's effect on Medicare questioned
The (New Orleans) Times-Picayune ^ | September 11, 2009 | Jonathan Tilove & Bruce Alpert

Posted on 09/11/2009 12:50:08 PM PDT by rrstar96

WASHINGTON -- The day after President Barack Obama urged Congress to quit bickering and enact health-care reform, Republicans on Capitol Hill said his trillion-dollar plan would be enacted on the back of Medicare recipients and sound the death knell of Medicare Advantage.

"That program will be killed off," Rep. John Fleming, R-Minden, one of three doctors in the Louisiana delegation, said on the House floor Thursday. Medicare Advantage is an option utilized by one in five Medicare beneficiaries. More than 145,000 Louisianians are enrolled in the program, which provides additional benefits, from glasses and hearing aids to preventive care services, but also costs Medicare significantly more per person than the standard Medicare fee-for-service program.

But Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., among a group of moderate Senate Democrats who met with the president at the White House on Thursday afternoon, said that this was only the latest in a litany of scare stories being peddled by Republicans. She said that the president assured the centrist lawmakers that any savings exacted from Medicare would be used to help shore up the entitlement program.

"The critics have just thrown one bomb after another," Landrieu said. "One day it's public option, the next day it's government-run health care, the next day it's death panels, the next day it's scaring seniors and the fact of the matter is if we do nothing, Medicare will run out of money in seven years" and "all the seniors who are apparently happy with it won't have it any longer."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: ahncao; cao; healthcare; healthcarereform; josephcao; landrieu; louisiana; marylandrieu; obama; obamacare; socialism; socializedmedicine

1 posted on 09/11/2009 12:50:09 PM PDT by rrstar96
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To: rrstar96

Here’s a question I had after watching The One’s speech the other night:

If they can save hundreds of millions of dollars by cutting Medicare waste why not do that anyway? Why can it only be done in context of reforming the entire health care sector?

Smacks to me of John Kerry’s secret plan to win the war that he would only share if he was elected.

If they can fix that waste problem they should do it. Til then, I think it’s BS.

2 posted on 09/11/2009 12:53:20 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Control the teleprompter, control the agenda!)
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To: lsucat; Roux; Pikachu_Dad; WFTR; chemicalman; abb; Liberty911; CajunConservative; LSUfan; ...

Pelican State ping

Now we know on whose side Mary Landrieu is.

3 posted on 09/11/2009 12:55:00 PM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: rrstar96

Was there ever any doubt? She’s not up for reelection for another 5 years.

4 posted on 09/11/2009 1:35:11 PM PDT by CajunConservative (Obama, You Lie!)
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To: Personal Responsibility

“If they can save hundreds of millions of dollars by cutting Medicare waste why not do that anyway? Why can it only be done in context of reforming the entire health care sector?”

You mean hundreds of billions, since that’s the amount claimed by Obama. First, it obviously could be done without reforming the entire health care sector (although the only feasible way to do it is through radicaling overhauling Medicare by privatizing it). Second, when and if it is ever done, the savings should NOT be used to subsidize coverage for the uninsured. These savings are badly needed to save Medicare!

We can’t afford Medicare as currently configured. If we don’t cut costs, we will have to reduce benefits or eligibility to keep the program afloat OR raise taxes to unprecedented levels. The more waste we eliminate, the less cutting of benefits or eligibility are needed (or the less in higher taxes is needed). But if we cut costs and spend those savings on the uninsured, we haven’t improved matters at all since all we’ve done is swap one obligation (paying for Medicare) for another (paying for uninsured). Medicare itself may cost less but taxpayers are still on the hook for
the same amount of dollars. That is, if we couldn’t afford to feed the Medicare beast before health reform, we also can’t afford a slimmed down Medicare whose excess poundage has now re-appeared as a little twin sister. It’s still going to require the same amount of food etc.

This is why the elderly have every right to fear Obamacare. Taking any easily-available savings from trimming Medicare fat and diverting them to subsidizing the uninsured simply ups the odds that down the road we’ll have to take a meat cleaver to what’s left of Medicare.

5 posted on 09/11/2009 1:37:09 PM PDT by DrC
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Governor Rick Perry may invoke the 10th Amendment over Obama’s health care bill (Vanity)
7/23/09 | Cowtowney;page=51

Get after Perry, Texans. Burn up his switch board and fax!
Let him know we don’t want Obama DeathCare.

Say no to Obama’s DeathCare.

Send a message; DON’T MESS WITH TEXAS healthcare!

No! NO you don’t, you muzzie pos.

You’re not denying our seniors deserved health care while insuring millions of illegal aliens and while Demorats are REJECTING Obamacare for themselves and their families!


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We are asking you to order the Texas Attorney General to publicly begin working on a law suit under Article IV, Ninth, and Tenth Amendment of the Constitution.

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Facts about the 10th Amendment:

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution’s principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.

Affirming that the State of Texas claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the U.S. Constitution, serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates, and providing that certain federal legislation be prohibited or repealed.

Take Action! Before it is too late!

6 posted on 09/11/2009 3:03:30 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: patriot08

"There are four ways in which you can spend money.
1. You spend your own money on yourself - You shop in a supermarket, for example. You clearly have a strong incentive both to economize and to get as much value as you can for each dollar you do spend.
2. You spend your own money on someone else - You shop for Christmas or birthday presents. You have the same incentive to economize as in the first case but not the same incentive to get full value for your money, at least as judged by the tastes of the recipient. You will, of course, want to get something the recipient will like—provided that it also makes the right impression and does not take too much time and effort. (If, indeed, your main objective were to enable the recipient to get as much value as possible per dollar, you would give him cash
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All welfare programs fall into either case 3—for example, Social Security which involves cash payments that the recipient is free to spend as he may wish; or case 4—for example, public housing; except that even case 4 programs share one feature of case 3, namely, that the bureaucrats administering the program partake of the lunch; and all case 3 programs have bureaucrats among their recipients."

---Milton Friedman, "Free To Choose"


How to Cure Health Care; By Milton Friedman


Readers Digest Version for liberal bloggers and White House and Congressional radical Socialists who claim Conservatives and Libertarians don't have a plan. We have one, you just don't like the idea that you wouldn't control it.

1. Repeal the tax exemption for employer provided medical care.
2. Terminate Medicare and Medicaid
3. Provide every American citizen with catastrophic insurance. Major medical with a high deductible.
4. Increase the use of tax free Medical Savings Accounts.

7 posted on 09/11/2009 3:44:49 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal should be a convenience store.)
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To: Personal Responsibility
If they can save hundreds of millions of dollars by cutting Medicare waste why not do that anyway.

It's all BS. Pay no attention to the liar at the mic.

Just one example of the grisly reality already being played out: Medicare is cutting funds to skilled nursing homes by an average of one million dollars per home beginning October 1. That is not even factored in to the Obamacare handjob to come. Obamacare will likely lead to a further reduction of up to two million dollars per home, on average, in the following years. With thin margins already, many homes will have to close their doors.

Think that won't lead to rationing of goods and services? Think again. And kiss Granny goodbye.

8 posted on 09/11/2009 5:06:09 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (truth--the liberal's kryptonite.)
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To: rrstar96

I ALWAYS knew where Landrieu stood. ALWAYS votes democrat until election time then she goes moderate - check her record. We have GOT to get rid her next election!

9 posted on 09/14/2009 6:29:45 AM PDT by Bitsy
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