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Teachers want to warn pupils of patriotism 'peril'
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 12th September 2009 | Matthew Hickley

Posted on 09/11/2009 10:58:08 PM PDT by naturalman1975

Three-quarters of teachers in Britain's schools believe they should warn pupils about the dangers of patriotism - which some regard as a form of 'brainwashing', researchers have found.

A nationwide study found the majority of teachers felt they should not be promoting the subject at all in the classroom, with some preferring to instruct their pupils in the benefits of 'universal brotherhood'.

And even those who felt positively about patriotism felt the need to qualify and tone down their support, stressing that they disliked 'jingoistic flag-waving'.

The findings are a blow for the Government after Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke out in favour of encouraging pupils to be patriotic, calling for 'Britishness' lessons to be part of the curriculum.

The study by the Institute of Education at the University of London surveyed teachers and pupils at 20 secondary schools, and found 74 per cent believed it was their duty to point out the danger of patriotic sentiments.

'Praising patriotism excludes non-British pupils,' one teacher told researchers.

'Patriotism about being British divides groups along racial lines, when we aim to bring pupils to an understanding of what makes us the same.' Other responses included:

'We shouldn't be promoting patriotism. We should be promoting universal brotherhood.'

'I think we should identify as humans.'

'I don't think you should be grooming children to be patriotic. That's as bad as telling everyone that they've got to be a certain religion - I am not going to brainwash anyone.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antipatriotism; britain; culturaldemise; deathofaculture; homeschoolingisgood; nationalsuicide; publicschool; publicschools; uk; universalbrotherhood
I weep for my profession sometimes. I think my boys in Australia are being taught more love for Britain than Britons are from what this says.

'Praising patriotism excludes non-British pupils,' one teacher told researchers.

Non-British pupils are being provided an education in Britain and I think that's appropriate - but it is not appropriate if their presence comes to define what is taught. They need to adapt to and accept British ways, not vice versa.

'Patriotism about being British divides groups along racial lines, when we aim to bring pupils to an understanding of what makes us the same.'

How about acknowledging that British citizenship is open to people of all races, and if you want to be made the same while living in Britain, that's the path available to you. Citizenship is separate to and above race.

'We shouldn't be promoting patriotism. We should be promoting universal brotherhood.'

In theory, maybe, unfortunately though a large and significant number of our supposed brothers want to kill us. When they embrace universal brotherhood, I'm willing to meet them on those grounds, but they need to do it first, because I won't offer my hand in friendship to somebody who wants to take my head off.

'I think we should identify as humans.'

Sure, but if you need to be teaching that in schools, something is seriously wrong with certain people's perceptions. What are they identifying as now? Chipmunks?

'I don't think you should be grooming children to be patriotic. That's as bad as telling everyone that they've got to be a certain religion - I am not going to brainwash anyone.'

I've taught patriotism all my life. I've never had to brainwash anybody to do it.

But just for the record, doesn't Britain have a state religion? And isn't a daily act of worship meant to be part of British schooling already? I believe it is. If you want freedom of religion, fine, but then you've got other issues you should be addressing already.

1 posted on 09/11/2009 10:58:08 PM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

Some in the US want to warn pupils of “teacher peril” that could be a form of brainwashing.


2 posted on 09/11/2009 10:59:32 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS

The UK is committing national suicide


3 posted on 09/11/2009 11:00:45 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: naturalman1975

We in the U.S. can sympathize with the Brits. After all, we too put a fool in charge of the country and we, too, are paying a big price.


4 posted on 09/11/2009 11:06:29 PM PDT by Rembrandt
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To: naturalman1975

PUKE.


5 posted on 09/11/2009 11:07:45 PM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: naturalman1975
I don't think you should be grooming children to be patriotic. That's as bad as telling everyone that they've got to be a certain religion

If the British children of the early 20th Century hadn't been taught British patriotism, they would currently be practicing German patriotism.

If you don't like telling people they have to be a certain religion, don't worry. The jihadists will do it for you in a few years.
6 posted on 09/11/2009 11:11:30 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Why buy health insurance at all if you can't be turned down for any pre-existing conditions?)
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To: naturalman1975; JLS; GeronL; Rembrandt; karnage

Ah, the joys of multicult... where everyone’s culture should be promoted, praised and defended.... except one’s own.


7 posted on 09/11/2009 11:13:06 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: naturalman1975

‘universal brotherhood’

They see something warm ‘n fuzzy in this phrase.

I see lots of dead bodies.

This is scary stuff.

This is mouth-watering to the world’s tyrants.

One-world government is another hard-left ideal that will kill millions, if not billions. Perhaps that is the intent.

Britain is falling and we’re on the same track.

We had better pull our heads out of the sand and really fight these types or we’ll suffer their rule over us.


8 posted on 09/11/2009 11:16:18 PM PDT by Boucheau
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To: karnage

How many British soldiers are buried in France, Belguim, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and in countless other nations around the world in graves marked and unmarked in service of Britain?

The enemies of Britain know nothing about this universal brotherhood these morons speak of. Its amazing to me how the “enlightened” and “educated” amongst nations of the West have no concepts of an enemy and awake every morning looking in the mirror failing to understand they are as much an enemy of their nation than any Imperial Japanese or Nazi soldier could ever have been.


9 posted on 09/11/2009 11:23:41 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: naturalman1975
even those who felt positively about patriotism felt the need to qualify and tone down their support, stressing that they disliked 'jingoistic flag-waving'.

Liberals have the same attitude in this country....no flag-waving or symbolism of separation....


10 posted on 09/11/2009 11:31:40 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you". (except for sex)
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To: naturalman1975
As Bob Dylan says,

"Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody."

They Brit educators don't want to pay homage to their heritage, the creator's of their civil society. They'd rather risk it all on an imaginary utopian brotherhood of man.

I figure they'll end up adrift, wondering where their soul is, and bobbing toward the totalitarian hell that awaits those who've been persuaded to forswear an honorable but imperfect past for an imaginary perfect future.

11 posted on 09/11/2009 11:36:04 PM PDT by Tellurian (Creativity is having the wit to capitalize on your mistakes)
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To: naturalman1975

“’I think we should identify as humans.’’

I’m not convinced that rag-heads are human...


12 posted on 09/11/2009 11:41:12 PM PDT by babygene
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To: Tellurian
They'd rather risk it all on an imaginary utopian brotherhood of man.

And that is what it is...imaginary...human nature being what it is we will always have to separate ourselves from those who wish to do us harm...or do not choose to live the way that we do...and unless you eradicate free will and choice there will always be those who chose to harm others defy community...

13 posted on 09/11/2009 11:41:56 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("Just because something is free doesn't mean it's good for you". (except for sex)
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To: naturalman1975
'We shouldn't be promoting patriotism. We should be promoting universal brotherhood.'

If they did that in 1939 they(we) would all have to learn new languages and the Hebrew tongue would have been cut out completely.

14 posted on 09/11/2009 11:49:48 PM PDT by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: naturalman1975

none too surprising really - but no less infuriating. Much of the government sector especially education and the BBC has a goodly number of stark raving leftists who hate this country and everything it stands for. WRT brainwashing, they know all about that, pushing their agenda at every opportunity and being aided by the apathy of the masses.


15 posted on 09/12/2009 12:13:17 AM PDT by Mac1
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To: naturalman1975

These teachers want to substitute their brainwashing ideology for what they perceive as the state’s. Maybe the Brits are correct in believing that there isn’t anything in Britain worth dying for. If we knew in 1942 what we know today, I wonder if America would’ve saved Britain?


16 posted on 09/12/2009 12:31:09 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Rembrandt

Darn straight. Its a bit late for Gordon Brown to be shouting the benefits of us “all being British”. He and the PC dolts who pass for the intelligensia in the Labour and Liberal establishment have been preaching division, devolution, and the benefits of individualism for decades. Given that kind of background, pro-Union sentiment in the UK is at an all time low.

What the proponents of Multiculturalism forget is that the Union allows individuality, but by promoting a higher concept of “Britishness” also subverts the deep tribal loyalties that stop us from trying to murder each other. There’s no problem if people are Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Manx, Christian, Muslim, Pagan, White, Black, socialist, capitalist, republican, loyalist, royalist, working-class, guardian readers or whatever, as long as they are primarily British. If that ever stops being true, there is going to be trouble.


17 posted on 09/12/2009 12:46:40 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: naturalman1975

I have a front row seat to the death of Western Civilization. RIP. I knew you well. May those who sold your soul, burn with fires eternal.


18 posted on 09/12/2009 1:08:49 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 50... 49... 48...)
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To: naturalman1975
'I think we should identify as humans.'

Sure, but if you need to be teaching that in schools, something is seriously wrong with certain people's perceptions. What are they identifying as now? Chipmunks?

How do the British think they are going to survive as a nation if they are going to teach this nonsense? I doubt that they will.

19 posted on 09/12/2009 1:11:07 AM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: naturalman1975

Great Britain reminds me of a decaying tooth, just a little bit of it evident above the gums.

The U.S. is a broken tooth, hurts like a banchee and causes it’s owner to be pissed off that something hasn’t been done about it yet.

Representatives in Washington, just keep your damned mouths shut today. For once listen real hard. People whose shoe laces you are unfit to tie, have something to say, and you damned well better get the message.


20 posted on 09/12/2009 1:14:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Wearing neck brace in commemoration of Ted Kennedy's contribution to our society.)
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To: stripes1776

I hate to say it, but it seems the U.K. and the U.S. would benefit considerably if many of today’s teachers in the two nations dropped dead within 48 hours. The ignorance, and abuse our children are being subjected to, is just unconscionable.


21 posted on 09/12/2009 1:17:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Wearing neck brace in commemoration of Ted Kennedy's contribution to our society.)
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To: stripes1776
HI from the UK,

We are indeed in a mess, the UK was finished when Tony Blair pushed devolution on us in the first year of his government. It will be his legacy. The man has ruined this country with his ultra liberal programme. Obama is only Blair writ large.

BTW don't let Blair’s support of Iraq or Afghanistan fool you. He was right to support you on those fronts but it was out of character for him. Domestically he simply sunk the UK in a pit of uber-liberalism.

22 posted on 09/12/2009 1:24:03 AM PDT by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: naturalman1975

England is becoming a third world country


23 posted on 09/12/2009 1:27:44 AM PDT by Charlespg (The Mainstream media is the enemy of democracy destroy the mainstream media)
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To: naturalman1975
So...What's so different about this and what the government asylums in the U.S. have been proselytizing for the past three decades?
24 posted on 09/12/2009 2:32:50 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: naturalman1975

Haven’t you Brits learned anything yet? Continue this course at your own peril.


25 posted on 09/12/2009 4:50:49 AM PDT by wombtotomb (Equal opportunity does NOT mean equal outcome!!)
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To: naturalman1975

assinine


26 posted on 09/12/2009 5:17:53 AM PDT by The Wizard (Democrat Party: a criminal enterprise)
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To: Boucheau

This is mouth-watering to the world’s tyrants.

One-world government is another hard-left ideal that will kill millions, if not billions. Perhaps that is the intent.

this is where we are heading. I am not sure that there will be anywhere for the common man to run and hide.


27 posted on 09/12/2009 5:25:33 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Angry about where our country is going with the current regime at the helm.)
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To: naturalman1975

Here’s their curriculum:

Imagine

Imagine there’s no Heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will live as one


28 posted on 09/12/2009 6:17:10 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: naturalman1975

By the way, I think this is how many US teachers approach the same subject, for the same reasons. They are so morally weak and confused, they can’t and won’t take a stand for anything except that everyone should fit in with everything. It’s just a lame moral cop-out. All these things they are so squeamish about? They will miss it when it’s gone.


29 posted on 09/12/2009 6:20:49 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: naturalman1975

ping for later


30 posted on 09/12/2009 9:12:25 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (There is not enough combined intellect in the beltway to jumpstart a moron.)
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To: Huck
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can



Lennon died a wealthy man. Even he didn't buy this crap. Too bad his fellow Brits did....
31 posted on 09/12/2009 9:13:25 AM PDT by RedMonqey ( John Galt , Please pick up the white courtesy phone.....)
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To: DoughtyOne
The ignorance, and abuse our children are being subjected to, is just unconscionable.

Yes, education is in a huge mess. It has become an indoctrination into stupidity. And the teachers's union is to blame, along with most colleges and universities.

32 posted on 09/12/2009 2:33:57 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: vimto
HI from the UK, We are indeed in a mess, the UK was finished when Tony Blair pushed devolution on us in the first year of his government. It will be his legacy. The man has ruined this country with his ultra liberal programme. Obama is only Blair writ large.

That is what I was afraid of. I will be reading some essays by Theodore Dalrymple over the next couple of weeks to get a better picture of what is happening in the UK.

33 posted on 09/12/2009 2:37:24 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: stripes1776

It hasn’t helped what the nanny state has facilitated either. Kids aren’t getting their butts kicked at home. The downside is obvious. We play patsy with gangs too, not declaring all out war on it and using RICO laws to destroy them.


34 posted on 09/12/2009 2:43:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Wearing neck brace in commemoration of Ted Kennedy's contribution to our society.)
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