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Schools ban racy Twilight books by Stephanie Meyer
The Daily Telegraph ^ | September 12, 2009 | Lauren Dickson

Posted on 09/12/2009 2:51:31 AM PDT by myknowledge

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To: myknowledge

There’s a big difference between requiring the book to be part of the classwork and banning it from the library and personal backpacks. Keep the library fully stocked and teach your kids to chose good books. Teaching the kids that censureship is okay is a lesson unto itself. I’m more concerned with the outward display of Obama-love in the classroom than my daughter reading Twilight from the library.


51 posted on 09/12/2009 6:32:36 AM PDT by kdot
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To: BlueStateBlues

The publisher loves this, since it means now more kids will buy the books rather than borrowing from the library.


52 posted on 09/12/2009 6:34:28 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: myknowledge

Read them .....no big deal ....Disney movies have similar fantasy and occult themes.


53 posted on 09/12/2009 6:41:14 AM PDT by badpacifist ("Blessings come from God and He don't bless what he is against" ...Mrs Ray Charles)
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To: Abundy

I must admit I haven’t actually read this particular series, but your description makes my point for me.

Traditionally, vampires are selfish, arrogant people who are so scared of dying that they sacrifice their blessed humanity for “eternal life”, which they get by taking from other people. Of course, immortality at such a price is effectively eternal misery, but they are too proud and frightened to admit that.

Modern vampires on the other hand, are NEVER that. They are all “misunderstood”. They never drink Human blood - they have supplies of pigs blood in the fridge. They worry about their “status”. They decry the “prejudice” of their Human neighbours, who disgustingly are worried about living next to an inhuman being that requires daily doses of blood and vaporises if touched by sunlight. Don’t get me wrong, the first time this “role-reversal-see-it-from-the-vampires point-of-view” was done, it was really clever. Now it’s just becoming silly. If every story on a particular subject is done “differently”, then very soon the “different” approach will become the standard one. Why do you think the Indans are never the bad guys in westerns any more?

Does this matter? I think it does. Alright, this approach challenges our perceptions of right and wrong, good and evil - and that’s fine - except that it does it by completely blurring or reversing what good and evil are, which leads to a lot of confusion. On a more practical level, because there really is evil in this world, it’s unrealistic. Eventually even the dimmest filmgoer or reader realises that and switches off. Have you noticed how few westerns are being made these days?


54 posted on 09/12/2009 7:00:10 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The problem with most reviews these days is that reviewers almost always have an agenda themselves. You rarely get an honest review based on quality of writing, you get a feminist review, or a marxist review, or a Christian review, or a post-modern review, or whatever. In the welter of claims and counter-claims, judgements and propoganda, factors like the intention of the author, or even the actual experience of the reader, are dismissed as being almost irrelevent (by experts).
In the final analysis, the only true measure of the quality of a book, film, painting or any other piece of creativity is public appeal.


55 posted on 09/12/2009 7:04:54 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: trumandogz

I’m an elementary school librarian and I refuse to add these books to the collection. It is not on religious grounds....but my students range in age from 4-11. Are the books appropriate for this age range? Not in my opinion. If my older kids want to read these, they can purchase or check them out in middle school where they are available.

I have to make decisions every day about what belongs in our collection. Twilight books are not the only books I pass on — I have to pick titles that best fit the age of our school community.


56 posted on 09/12/2009 7:09:56 AM PDT by BelleAl
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To: snugs
I can understand the concept where certain people fear not their own children being exposed to the material but those who do not have parents who understand what is out there and maybe cause distress or put ideas into their children’s minds that are not desireable. Too many people trust that if it in a school or a library it is OK. Also there are parents are so liberal minded anything goes and freedom of expression is everything whether it is good or bad.

Okay, so would you like to control what the children of liberals or those you deem as "not responsible" read, or would you like The Nanny State to decide what these children can or cannot read?

Who is going to protect these children.

How about their parents and not you or your Nanny State.


57 posted on 09/12/2009 1:24:42 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: driftdiver
We’re they that mature at 10 years old?

At ten years old, they were mature enough to understand that the nanny state and the nanny state sycophants should not control what they could and could not read.

58 posted on 09/12/2009 1:27:57 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: myknowledge
But teachers addressed the primary students because they were concerned they might be too young to deal with the adult themes.

No duh.

I get a kick out of not allowing younger kids to read these books described as the books being "ripped from the shelves". LOL.

In truth, some responsible adults (teachers, librarians, students) are choosing to bar some books from elementary shelves. Censorship? Please. This is part of their job.

It's the RESPONSIBILITY of teachers to filter through what they believe to be inappropriate material. Most kids in 5-6 grade MAY be ready to process the themes. There's a whole lot of younger kids in the school who are likely not. Perhaps the adults in charge would rather favor books without a supernatural theme as well in favor of themes that concentrate on the here and now and real life. That's their choice...to not favor the fantasy-themed best-sellers. So what?

Can't believe many Freepers don't get this. Should they put "Sex and the City" videos on the shelves as well? Is not allowing the show to be available in schools "censorship"?

59 posted on 09/12/2009 1:28:31 PM PDT by what's up
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To: trumandogz

“At ten years old, they were mature enough to understand that the nanny state and the nanny state sycophants should not control what they could and could not read.”

Pretty remarkable, the majority of 10 yr olds only know that their parents say such things. Not the why or really what a nanny state is. Most 10 yr olds still have a ‘nanny’ at home and generally don’t know any different.


60 posted on 09/12/2009 1:35:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: trumandogz

This argument strikes at the heart of what I do — I’m a school librarian.

I have to buy books to which I’m philosophically opposed. It’s important that I present multiple sides of issues and I make sure that I’m not imposing my political/religious opinions on my students. However, it’s also important that I purchase items that are age appropriate for my young patrons (elementary school). That would not include the Twilight series. You can call it nanny state or banning, but the reality is I serve 4-11 year olds. Some items belong in middle school and high school, and not in my library.


61 posted on 09/12/2009 1:53:27 PM PDT by BelleAl
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To: driftdiver

The only thing you need to teach a child is that mom & dad will be their guiding light of morality and God provided them with the intellect to understand that they do not need the nanny state to control both them and their parents.

You see, in our family, God and Family is always more important and trustworthy than the Nanny State. However, I understand that some may wish for the Nanny State to take control.


62 posted on 09/12/2009 1:56:23 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
not need the nanny state

You don't need a librarian to pick and choose which books to put on the shelves?

63 posted on 09/12/2009 2:00:02 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Yes, it is a librarians job to select which books go on the shelves and it is the parents job to control what their kids read, but it is not the job of nanny state community activists to dictate what my kids can and cannot read.


64 posted on 09/12/2009 2:08:25 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
I don't see community activists mentioned in the article.

What I see are some Catholic schools and what might be private schools deciding they don't want to put a particular book in the library.

65 posted on 09/12/2009 2:37:38 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Vanders9

That’s true. As long as their bias is right up front (”as a transgendered male-to-female wilderness hiker and Santeria priestess in touch with my inner antelope...”) I don’t mind, at least I can tell where they’re coming from.


66 posted on 09/12/2009 4:10:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: myknowledge

It’s a ploy to get kids to read the books.


67 posted on 09/12/2009 4:41:47 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (War is fought by human beings. - Carl von Clausewitz in On War)
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To: what's up
What I see are some Catholic schools and what might be private schools deciding they don't want to put a particular book in the library.

You are correct - every school in the article is a private school.

St Anthony's is a systemic Catholic school run by the Catholic Education Office of the Archdiocese of Sydney, Santa Sabina is an independent Catholic school run by the Dominican Sisters, and Queenswood is an independent non-denominational Christian school. Santa Sabina and Queenswood are among Sydney's most prestigious and well regarded private schools. Parents choose such schools because they want those schools to help them in supporting their decisions as to how their children are raised and what they are exposed to.

68 posted on 09/12/2009 5:25:20 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: what's up
What I see are some Catholic schools and what might be private schools deciding they don't want to put a particular book in the library.

And that is fine. However, in this country, we do not need the Nanny State Sycophants dictating what books can and cannot be in out public libraries.

69 posted on 09/13/2009 4:09:15 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
I'm not sure why you keep referring to the nanny state when this article has nothing to do with it. Your first comment on this thread:

Come on mom and dad, all you need to do is take responsibility for what your kid reads and let the books remain in the library

states that the books should remain in the library. If these private schools want to take these books on and replace them with others that's not only the right but the responsibility of the librarians to decide.

Sounds here like you're one of those nanny sycophants you claim to despise trying to dictate to these schools what they should read.

70 posted on 09/13/2009 12:22:40 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
Sounds here like you're one of those nanny sycophants you claim to despise trying to dictate to these schools what they should read.

Why that is an odd assertion.

Simply because a book exists in a library, does not mean that the librarian who ordered the book is dictating what the kids should read. Instead, the kids and the their parents can decide what is read.

It all seems rather simple. For example, while there may be things you object to broadcast on the TV, it does not mean that you are forced to watch.

71 posted on 09/13/2009 1:36:27 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
Why that is an odd assertion.

Not really. You claim that certain books should remain in the library even though the librarians of these private schools don't want it there to be accessible for reading.

Sounds like you are one of those nanny activists who want to impose your wishes on a school system, even a private one.

I say give the librarians the freedom to decide what takes up their limited shelf space. This is in no way censorship. Picking and choosing books is the responsibility of the librarian.

72 posted on 09/13/2009 1:55:10 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

It appears that we agree on the issue since in this very same thread I have said that it should be the librarians, and not outsiders that decide what can and cannot be put on the shelves.

However, the most important thing here is that helping children develop not only reading skills, but the habit of reading in the most important issue. And if that means that kids read Harry Potter or Twilight, then libraries and librarians are succeeding in their work.


73 posted on 09/13/2009 2:03:32 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
I have said that it should be the librarians

Then I don't know why you stated the books should remain in the library. The librarians were involved in the decision to remove them.

74 posted on 09/13/2009 2:09:23 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

iI was discussing my overall view of how libraries should be operated and not necessarily and one specific library in Australia.

1. Permit librarians to decide what books go into the library.

2. Keep Do Gooder citizens out of the process of what books should not be in the library.

The reason for number two is that if we allow one “Do Gooder” to decide what books must be pulled from the shelf, then we must allow every “Do Gooder” dictate what books should be pulled. If we allow for that, at the end of the process, there would be no books in the library.


75 posted on 09/13/2009 2:21:31 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
iI was discussing my overall view of how libraries should be operated

Yeah, and you were airing an opinion which went against the valid procedures the libararians were following in the article.

Fact is, all librarians have to pick and choose, even those who work for adult libraries. They can't have all books. If some want to cut back on the fantastical literature and go for a different kind of lit, for example, that's their choice.

we allow one “Do Gooder” to decide what books must be pulled from the shelf, then we must allow every “Do Gooder”

No. "We" don't decide. The local systems do. YOU shouldn't be dictating except to your own kid's school. Otherwise you are the "do-gooder" you claim to dislike.

76 posted on 09/13/2009 2:54:38 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up
YOU shouldn't be dictating except to your own kid's school.

No, I should not even dictate that in my own kid's school since other parents that may be boneheads will also have the same power.

77 posted on 09/13/2009 3:02:35 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
And different opinions and parents getting involved is what it's all about.

Or were you waiting from some pie-in-the-sky authority to decide?

78 posted on 09/13/2009 3:07:45 PM PDT by what's up
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To: myknowledge

I’ve never read any of them - I figured Meyer was just capitalizing on Buffy’s success. Are they any good? The guy from the movie isn’t nearly as hot as Angel, way too effeminate.


79 posted on 09/16/2009 8:50:26 AM PDT by nina0113 (Sign seen at the rally: "Don't Tell Obama What Comes After Trillion".)
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To: Renderofveils

That’s GREAT. What else have you written? I’d thank you for saving me the 20 bucks, but I wasn’t going to spend it anyway.


80 posted on 09/16/2009 8:59:21 AM PDT by nina0113 (Sign seen at the rally: "Don't Tell Obama What Comes After Trillion".)
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