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We're off to a `warmer' place; Gay life in Miami
Miami Herald ^ | 9/12/2009 | Charles Perez

Posted on 09/12/2009 5:12:29 AM PDT by IbJensen

've decided to move out of the Sunshine State. It's a bit more chilly here than I had expected. Some may say good riddance, but I'm no longer willing to live in a place where I can't get married, can't adopt children and where there are no state laws to protect me from being fired because I'm gay.

And so my partner Keith and I have decided to sell the house, load up the dogs and head north, toward a decidedly warmer climate.

To those who visit here, Florida must seem somewhat schizophrenic. We sell ourselves as a great place to come and play, a multicultural paradise where you can be who you are, as long as you respect the rights and privileges or everyone else. Not so if you're gay and you decide to stay. You'll be greeted by a regressive system of laws more emblematic of a backwater state than one that now, because of its population, draws comparisons to California and New York.

Last year, as gay rights took front and center on the Florida ballot, through the Florida Marriage Amendment, or Proposition 2, religious groups, like the Orlando-based Liberty Counsel, were able to collect more than 600,000 signatures and raise millions of dollars to defeat not only gay marriage, but its equivalent. In essence they pulled the rug out from under civil unions as well, whether they be homosexual or heterosexual.

Many of these voters took to the polls hoping to save kids and marriage. Yet states such as Connecticut that have gay marriage, allow gay adoption and have laws protecting gay men and women, seem to be doing just fine. In fact, according to the most recent figures for the National Center for Health Statistics, Connecticut has a divorce rate approximately 36 percent lower than does Florida. Connecticut also was able to place more than double the percentage of kids available for adoption into permanent homes.

Maybe that gay-tolerant state is, actually, more pro-marriage and pro-family than we are.

Christian beliefs

I grew up as a Catholic. I was an altar boy. I went to a Catholic high school in Fort Lauderdale. I still consider myself a Christian, at least in philosophy: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It is an ethic shared in Judeo-Christianity that has at its core a call for tolerance and love. However, I am also cognizant that for most of the history of Christianity, the church and its many offspring often sided against the forces of compassion and used fear, threats and ignorance as their most powerful tools.

Cannot change orientation

Organized religion can be uplifting, community building, powerful and spiritual.

But, as with government, if left unchecked by its adherents, can also become misguided.

As long as my homosexuality is confined to the ``immoral'' by some, questions about my right to marry, adopt kids and be protected in the workplace will persist. I also have green eyes, by the way. They are as much a part of me as is my sexual orientation. My green eyes have as much to do with my morality as does my sexual orientation. I can cover them with contacts, but I cannot change them. They are inseparable from who I am, as homosexuality is inseparable from human history.

Keith and I are tired of visiting attorneys who tell us, right off the bat, ``There is no privileged communication between the two of you.'' In other words, if we were married, we could not be forced to testify against each other in a court of law. What we'd say in the privacy of our relationship would stay in the privacy of our relationship. We don't have that right in the state of Florida. In Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont we would. We could also be raising the family we want, all respected by the laws of our state, giving our children nothing less than the dignity that comes with having a seat at the table.

We have a right to sit at that table, along with everyone else, and we should have that right in Florida. To fight for that right is certainly the good fight. However, as the clock ticks, and my partner and I push through our 40s, we're no longer willing to wait to have the family we want.

And so, though I hate the cold, to warmer pastures we will go, certain to receive a warmer welcome, convinced that too much love and too much commitment are never a bad thing.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy; US: Connecticut; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: dontletthedoorhityou; gaystapo; homobama; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; miami; perverts; protectmarriage; samesexmarriage; seeya
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Hell is much warmer than Miami. Go there.
1 posted on 09/12/2009 5:12:30 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Uh, yeah, but what homosexuals do onto each other was not hwat the Lord had in mind.


2 posted on 09/12/2009 5:15:52 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: IbJensen

One is not a “Christian” unless one follows the teachings of the Christ.


3 posted on 09/12/2009 5:15:55 AM PDT by exnavy (GOD save the republic)
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To: IbJensen

“bone-us noches”

I bet in Cuban Miami they call those Maricons, Patos.


4 posted on 09/12/2009 5:18:26 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: IbJensen

When “he” and Kieth break up, as it statistically unavoidable, “he” will be back in South Beach.


5 posted on 09/12/2009 5:19:15 AM PDT by HospiceNurse
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To: IbJensen

Hey, don’t let the door...


6 posted on 09/12/2009 5:21:32 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: HospiceNurse
...“he” will be back in South Beach.

Trolling. Looking for Mr. Goodbar. Finding new love and serious communicable disease.

7 posted on 09/12/2009 5:22:15 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: IbJensen
We're off to a `warmer' place

Ted Kennedy's last thought.

8 posted on 09/12/2009 5:23:10 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: vladimir998
There is, indeed, something inherently evil and immoral about one 'sex partner' placing their pee-pee in another's poo-poo.

Very unsanitary besides being a serious mortal sin.

9 posted on 09/12/2009 5:23:30 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: IbJensen

Hell will be his home if he does not repent.


10 posted on 09/12/2009 5:23:55 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: thethirddegree

> Hell will be his home if he does not repent.

obummer is opening a clinic they can get healed at on the way to St Peters

St Peter, just for that name sake I am surprised more of them don’t want to be Christains


11 posted on 09/12/2009 5:29:14 AM PDT by SF_Redux
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To: IbJensen
also have green eyes, by the way. They are as much a part of me as is my sexual orientation.

If your eye offends, pluck it out.

This dude has strange ideas of what Christianity and compassion are all about. Does not reflect well on his claimed Catholic upbringing.

Real compassion and love could not abide one leaving one in the sty of sinful sodomy.

12 posted on 09/12/2009 5:30:06 AM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: IbJensen

Good. Don’t let the door hit ya....


13 posted on 09/12/2009 5:31:10 AM PDT by inflorida
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To: IbJensen; Salamander; Slings and Arrows
"In essence they pulled the rug out from under civil unions as well, whether they be homosexual or heterosexual."

Sounds to me like the state law is fair and even-handed. So what's the problem? What? You were looking for "special" treatment?!? Xin Loi, Mun Oi.
14 posted on 09/12/2009 5:31:47 AM PDT by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: IbJensen
Plenty of gays throughout Florida, doing well even in more conservative parts of the state. How is that? Because most of them simply live quietly and get along with everyone else. They pay their taxes, aren't confrontational, act discreetly, mostly living like any other Floridian.

I don't see a mass exodus happening any time soon. Sure most gays here aren't thrilled about the lack of gay marriage and adoption, but they find ways to otherwise live fulfilling lives. This guy is just a whiner.

15 posted on 09/12/2009 5:33:22 AM PDT by Paradox (ObamaCare = Logan's Run ; There is no Sanctuary!)
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To: IbJensen

Keef...please keep in mind that here in NH, we’re very dedicated to overturning that law, considering it was done without the consent of the people. Just sayin.


16 posted on 09/12/2009 5:34:48 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: IbJensen

Good bye.


17 posted on 09/12/2009 5:35:20 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: shibumi

‘I still consider myself a Christian, at least in philosophy: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”

Must....refrain....from....posting....vulgar....reply.


18 posted on 09/12/2009 5:36:27 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.........)
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To: IbJensen

The climate is no good for peanut butter packers here in Texas, either.


19 posted on 09/12/2009 5:37:18 AM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion)
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To: IbJensen

In order to keep taxes from going up even higher; New Hampshire will need more people to replace the conservatives that are fleeing to the south and west. NH has Lynch, Hodes, Che-Porter, and Shaeen to represent you...all dedicated to the gay agenda. Hell; any state in New England will welcome you.


20 posted on 09/12/2009 5:39:40 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: IbJensen

A little bit of good news for Florida!! PLEASE go to Connecticut. :-)


21 posted on 09/12/2009 5:41:16 AM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (Pray for the United States of America!)
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To: IbJensen
Homosexuality is a unfortunate disease that brings an early death and many pre death health issues.

I feel sorry for those who attracted to this sickness. I don't hate them; I would rather see them become enlightened and and turn their backs on it.

22 posted on 09/12/2009 5:43:15 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just say no to Soylent Green health care)
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To: IbJensen

add my 2cents- please , I beg, you, DO NOT come to VERMONT-

This gay stuff has damaged the reputations of the hardworking,salt of the earth people who desire nothing more than their own home fire and do NOT endorse gay this or gay that here in Vermont.

You won’t see them protesting against gays ‘cause people are too busy working and living good clean lives even thru the economic struggles that we have up here with high taxes.

Go to Belize or Honduras or Nicaragua


23 posted on 09/12/2009 5:44:30 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("I never knew there were Martians in my garden...." J.Edgar Hoover)
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To: IbJensen

Pack a little fudge to take with you.


24 posted on 09/12/2009 5:47:43 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: IbJensen

Florida has strict plant qurantine laws to insure the viability of agriculture.

Florida has anti Queer restrictions to limit the scourge of AIDS and to insure the health and well being of the people


25 posted on 09/12/2009 5:48:13 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Quotes of the century: 2001 "Lets Roll"..... 2009 "You Lie")
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

Vermonters need to build a sort of ‘Berlin Wall’ around the state to keep the liberals out. While they’re at it they need to get rid of that Cheshire Cat and the Communists who represent them in the Senate.


26 posted on 09/12/2009 5:49:37 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: IbJensen

I totally agree with you . Too many “flatlanders” up here running the show and too mucy flatlander opinion floating around.
Well, of course you have to know a lot of it comes directly from UVM


27 posted on 09/12/2009 5:51:31 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("I never knew there were Martians in my garden...." J.Edgar Hoover)
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To: Paradox

Even the docile gays must come out of the woodwork to populate the ‘gay pride’ parades. Otherwise, where do all these perverts come from?


28 posted on 09/12/2009 5:52:50 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: IbJensen

30+ years ago they limited themselves to gathering in enclaves like Key West, Coconut Grove and other artsy-fartsy districts in the state.


29 posted on 09/12/2009 5:54:43 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: IbJensen

30 posted on 09/12/2009 5:58:43 AM PDT by Bratch
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Even the docile gays must come out of the woodwork to populate the ‘gay pride’ parades. Otherwise, where do all these perverts come from?Not sure, but most of them don't care for these parades. We don't have alot of those things here in Florida. Most gays here just want to be left alone. In fact, I find most of them to be, otherwise, fairly conservative. Most of them, though, are one issue voters, so they all vote for Democrats.
31 posted on 09/12/2009 5:59:15 AM PDT by Paradox (ObamaCare = Logan's Run ; There is no Sanctuary!)
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How does your boyfriend feel about not getting to participate in the parades? /sarc>

*Yes* I read your homepage.

Cheers!

32 posted on 09/12/2009 6:20:05 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: IbJensen
Naah, go to China.

LOTS of eligible single young men there.

Cheers!

33 posted on 09/12/2009 6:20:38 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: IbJensen

on 2nd thought it might be interesting if Vermont seceeded entirely.


34 posted on 09/12/2009 6:23:06 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("I never knew there were Martians in my garden...." J.Edgar Hoover,Frmr. Director, F.B.I.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Isle Royale Hotel, Devil's Island.

(I recommend the US buy this island and move the entire homosexual community and their agenda here for a life of free-swinging sexcapades.)

35 posted on 09/12/2009 6:31:33 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: IbJensen

If you are gay, and you aren’t happy in Miami, you probably aren’t going to be happy anywhere, even with fashion accessory children posing as your “family”.


36 posted on 09/12/2009 6:41:35 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: IbJensen

“And so my partner Keith and I have decided to sell the house, load up the dogs and head north, toward a decidedly warmer climate” What these people are trying to frame is that they have one partner, i.e. they are monogamous. The average gay has multiple partners in a given year.


37 posted on 09/12/2009 6:54:19 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

Sorry Miss Dairy but thanks to continually voting in Socialist Sanders and Leaky Leahy, you good guys in VT are SCREWED!!!!!!!!


38 posted on 09/12/2009 6:55:47 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: exnavy
Agreed. And sex is not a right like this guy implies. If sex were a right, we could do it indiscriminately with whomever, whenever, without fear of negative consequences.

It has also been my experience, with the fewer than 10 homosexuals that I know well, that their sexual preferences are just that, preferences. They have made a choice to have sex with members of the same gender after having sex with members of the opposite sex. All of them were sexually active around 13 or 14 years of age, with members of the opposite sex.

39 posted on 09/12/2009 7:09:53 AM PDT by Skenderbej
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Of course no one and no law is prohibiting you two from living together as man and wife in your own eyes. You just want the government to put a public moral imprimatur on your private lifestyle choice. Plus you are intolerant, since you seem to suggest that it is illegitimate for traditional religious believers to believe that homosexual activity is morally wrong. In a free society, people have every right to believe that, so get used to it.


40 posted on 09/12/2009 7:12:50 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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“We could also be raising the family we want, all respected by the laws of our state, giving our children nothing less than the dignity that comes with having a seat at the table.”

Get back to me on that one when those children are the biological result of your union.


41 posted on 09/12/2009 7:12:58 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: matginzac

screwed Temporarily NOT Permanently~~~~ :)


42 posted on 09/12/2009 7:14:43 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("I never knew there were Martians in my garden...." J.Edgar Hoover,Frmr. Director, F.B.I.)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT; Mom MD
I still consider myself a Christian, at least in philosophy: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It is an ethic shared in Judeo-Christianity that has at its core a call for tolerance and love. However, I am also cognizant that for most of the history of Christianity, the church and its many offspring often sided against the forces of compassion and used fear, threats and ignorance as their most powerful tools. Cannot change orientation Organized religion can be uplifting, community building, powerful and spiritual.

The ELCA just decided to force a schism over this issue. The ordination of openly gay clergy has driven a rift through the ELCA to the point that my church has already left the synod. Ironically, CORE Lutheran has also, apparently decided to become an independent synod. Why am I brining this up?

The author of this article talks about his being religious, and he still is in philosphy. Then he goes on the cite social justice, which is really the cancer on Christina religion. I have heard many so-called Christians preaching that being Christian is about social justice this, economic justice that, enviromental justice etc, etc, etc.

I work as a physician in a pretty large urban hospital. I am an intensivist. As I was walking past the ICU waiting room one day, there was a pastor, dressed in his cleric collar and blacks holding court. He was saying to the entire waiting room that the calling of our religion (turns out he was an Episcopalian substituting as a Christian) was to insure social justice, choice and all that. I asked him (I most often cannot hold my tongue, just as my sister) what denomination he was -- Episopalian the response. To which I looked at him and said, "That's funny, I thought being Christan was about preaching the salvation of the gospel in Jesus Christ to the ends of the earth." No response ensued.

I have recently become accutely concernced that mainline Christian churches are more interested in preaching the apostasy of social justice than the life saving salvation of Jesus Christ. Jesus certainly had many hard things to say about the unrepentant sinner. and their fate. He warned about chruches that no longer preach the simple fact that salvation is found in Christ alone, and that the unatoned, unrepentant cannot and will not be saved. While it is the "will of the Father that all men should be saved" all too often, the mainline Christian churches have sacrificed their salvation on the altar of political correctness, and as long as people, like this author, get away with calling themselves "Christian, at least in philosophy" without being called on it, so propogates our name through the earth.

God has laid out the plan of salvation for us all, salvation through the Son, sanctified through the Spirit. It is crucial for all Christians to repeat the simple message of salvation whenever and wherever they can, especially in the face of the lie of salvation through the gospel of social justice.

For my Lutheran brethern: This is most certainly true :)

43 posted on 09/12/2009 7:33:48 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: inflorida
Good. Don’t let the door hit ya....

I believe that the rest of this is -- where the good Lord split ya! But don't worry, his boyfriend is already hitting him there...

44 posted on 09/12/2009 7:36:25 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: IbJensen

Go fag boy, take Keith or whoever your “committed” partner of the moment is and maybe one other and just go to whatever blue area you feel more comfortable in.
Ya flipping glory hole hero.


45 posted on 09/12/2009 7:44:35 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84)
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To: IbJensen

Homosexuality will always be immoral, sodomite, no matter what your contrived “church” or community tells you. Your conscience, what vestige you have left anyway, will always tell you it’s wrong and against God’s creative purpose.


46 posted on 09/12/2009 8:15:36 AM PDT by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: gas_dr

I completely agree with your post. Christianity is not about social justice. If you feed or clothe someone without speaking truth about sin and salvation, what have you accomplished? People are literally drowning spiritually, but many “Christians” are more concerned about the environment, gay rights, government hand-outs, etc?!? If people end up eternally separated from God when they die, what good is social justice for them now?


47 posted on 09/12/2009 8:26:30 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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To: IbJensen
Yeah and take the rest of your whiner leftist radicals with you !
48 posted on 09/12/2009 8:31:41 AM PDT by ncalburt (Read all about)
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To: IbJensen

I cannot belive that they gay rights groups equated this in anyway to a civil rights issue.... it is a life choice not a skin color or religious dogma....


49 posted on 09/12/2009 9:31:53 AM PDT by Americanwolf (Palin/Beck 2012!!..... Wilson/Palin 2012!!!...... Palin/Wilson2012!!!)
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To: IbJensen
Some may say good riddance, but I'm no longer willing to live in a place where I can't get married, can't adopt children

Oh, drivel. He can get married. Just not to another guy.

50 posted on 09/12/2009 2:29:16 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Are you just eating instant coffee right from the jar now?")
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