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A Protectionist Wave--Obama invites a rush of similar claims with his tariffs on Chinese tires
The Wall Street Journal ^ | September 12, 2009 | Editorial

Posted on 09/12/2009 10:27:14 AM PDT by jazusamo

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To: Kansas58

Works for me.


21 posted on 09/12/2009 10:52:03 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: jazusamo

They are far, far, far more dangerous than the islamic goat humpers.


22 posted on 09/12/2009 10:52:37 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: jazusamo

This is a political move by Obama, to help his standing with the rust belt.

It is not protectionism, because China is but one country. If we want cheap tires we can get them from South Korea. True protectionism would require tariffs on all foreign tires, including those European Michelins.

Smoot-Hawley was across the board and everywhere.


23 posted on 09/12/2009 10:52:44 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: bigbob

Protectionism was also tried before the last great depression - with what will be equally bad results. I suspect China will not take this causally - and we have a lot more to lose than they do... and lose we will...


24 posted on 09/12/2009 10:55:49 AM PDT by GOPJ (2010 Census? Don't give private information to ACORN or other dem criminal fill-ins...)
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To: Dr. Sivana
"True protectionism would require tariffs on all foreign tires, including those European Michelins."

Trouble is, they are even more expensive than American made tires. And they would probably win an international court challenge on who subsidizes the industry more as well.

25 posted on 09/12/2009 10:57:04 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: jazusamo

I’m sure the unions asked him to do it. BTW, I need new tires for my Nissan Titan. Mostly city and highway driving. Any economical suggestions?


26 posted on 09/12/2009 10:58:56 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: jazusamo

The WTO will reject it.

Bad business that will hurt the poor.


27 posted on 09/12/2009 11:02:07 AM PDT by texmexis best (uencynd no)
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To: Dr. Sivana

What the average American consumer doesn’t realize is that it is they who are getting screwed by all the protectionist policies that still exist, as well as all the subsidies that the government is providing for American producers.

We pay for all of it in the end. The real evil at work here is big government. We pay for it all, when we should be enjoying cheap products and a much lower cost of living for just about everything you can imagine. It is government and organized labor that is driving business out of this country, not cheap imports which- “on a level playing field” - could never compete with a modern automated American manufacturer.


28 posted on 09/12/2009 11:04:29 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: goodwithagun
"BTW, I need new tires for my Nissan Titan. Mostly city and highway driving. Any economical suggestions?"

The autowrecker. Avoid paying those enviromental fees built into the cost of new rubber. You can get an almost new set of tires from a wreck for $50, including the rims at some places.

29 posted on 09/12/2009 11:07:49 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Exactly!

Case in point: Ethanol is probably a bad idea in any form.
However, if we are going to use food products for fuel, this foolish idea would be LESS FOOLISH if we would use SUGAR rather than grain.

However, we will not allow the economical importation of pure cane sugar, from Brazil!


30 posted on 09/12/2009 11:09:40 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
I can't agree with you on the ethanol issue. First, the 'food for fuel crap' is exactly that BS. Corn used for ethanol production isn't the edible kind, at least by humans, and the by-product from the ethanol production from hybrid corn is MORE animal feed, not less.

As far as ethnol from grains, I don't think anyone would be too happy if they stopped making whiskey, which is all that kind of grain is used for making, besides even more animal feed from the tailings.

As for Brazil sugar, yes, we have tariffs on buying quota's on sugar imports to force food makers to buy up American sugar. Currently there is a sugar shortage which is largely a fabricated shortage to try force those tariffs down. Brazil interestingly enough runs 80% of their vehicles on ethanol, and can still export billions of gallons of ethanol and tons of sugar if it were allowed into this country. Sad that consumers are screwed by our own government every way they turn, and are fed horse crap like 'food for fuel' and "cheap labor imports" nonsense as pacifiers.

31 posted on 09/12/2009 11:18:49 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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Nah. This is better. We don’t want to reduce our standard of living to match the lowest in the world.

Level the playing field. Put the same costs on foreign manufacturers that are mandated for America manufacturers. If American companies have to pay extra environmental, health care, taxes and regulatory costs then put the same dollar load on foreign companies. It’s like States do on equalize sales taxes with compensating use taxes.


32 posted on 09/12/2009 11:18:55 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Nathan Zachary
LOL
Corn grown for ethanol is taking LAND away from corn grown for fuel.

Ethanol is stupid.

Ethanol causes inflation in food prices across the board.

Ethanol wastes massive quantities of water.

But, if we must be stupid, lets use pure sugar, at least!

33 posted on 09/12/2009 11:21:59 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: goodwithagun
Any economical suggestions?

tirerack.com, Kuhmo

34 posted on 09/12/2009 11:22:20 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (Liberals are always one genocide away from Utopia.)
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To: Kansas58

Sorry
Corn grown for Ethanol is taking land away from corn grown for FOOD!

(What I meant!)


35 posted on 09/12/2009 11:24:20 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: ex-snook
You just can't get it through your head that everything isn't made in America. It never was. We started out as an importing country, and grwe to be the largest importer exporter in the world. It never was manufacturing that provided the bulk of jobs and GNP in this country, and never will be. We simply bought up everything smaller countries produced, and resold/exported it. We imported the raw materials from other countries to manufacture they things nobody else made. We were never a "we must sell more apples than we import' kind of country. If we do bend down to that kind of mentality, we will become that third world country you speak of. If you think manufacturing provides the bulk of jobs for Americans, then your "level the playing field" WILL turn this into the third world country you speak of, because over 50% of Americans will become unemployed if we abandon the trading principles that made this country wealthy and great.

I don't know why you hate Obama so much then, because turning the USA into a closed bordered "USSR" is exactly what he wants to do, and what you want.

36 posted on 09/12/2009 11:30:01 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Kansas58
Sorry. it does no such thing.

Less than 1% of corn grown here is of the kind used for human food consuption. And of that 1%, many years 500,000 tons of it ends up in landfills.

Hybrid corn is grown for animal feed, corn syrop production, and ethanol.

Increasing ethanol production increases animal feed production because it's the proteins from the corn that are used for making animal feed, not the starches.

More animal feed = more animals for food, not less.

37 posted on 09/12/2009 11:34:10 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Kansas58

And last I looked, I didn’t see any soda pop shortages, or fat people loosing weight because of any corn syrup production slow downs.


38 posted on 09/12/2009 11:35:57 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

The price of corn flour based food, in South American and elsewhere, has gone up a great deal due to ethanol using up too much of our corn acreage.


39 posted on 09/12/2009 11:37:19 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
"The price of corn flour based food, in South American and elsewhere, has gone up a great deal due to ethanol using up too much of our corn acreage."

Absolute rubbish. The driving factors of corn prices, flours etc. is the tripling and quadrupling costs of fuels and fertilizers.

The initial price increases on the commodity markets for hybrid corn (used for ethanol) went down as initial acreages and idle land kept out of production because of subsidy programs went back into use.

The current increases of corn and corn products such as flour for human consumption are SOLEY because of fuel fertilizer and transportation cost increases. They have nothing to do with ethanol production at all, First, because that type of corn isn't even used in ethanol production, and secondly, the land put back into use for hybrid corns has actually caused the price of that kind of corn to go down on the commodity markets.

If you actually looked into things, you'd discover the truth.

40 posted on 09/12/2009 11:54:53 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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