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On the Job: Employers struggle with unprepared college grads
salt lake tribune ^ | 09/04/2009 | Anita Bruzzese

Posted on 09/12/2009 5:38:18 PM PDT by george76

Within the past year Sarah Schupp has hired five new employees with freshly minted college degrees. She fired one on his first day for inappropriate sexual comments to a co-worker. Another lasted a week before getting a pink slip.

..." you can't call in sick at 7:45 a.m. just because you don't want to come to work at 8 a.m."

Jeanne Achille also was disappointed with the hiring of a recent college hire, promoted by a university professor as a "superstar" and fired after three weeks when it was discovered she spent hours online at work visiting a dating site. She also tweeted about a night of partying -- then e-mailed in sick the next day.

"Just who is supposed to be preparing these kids for the workplace?"

"Employers have always complained about a lack of hard and soft skills. The problem is that now employers don't have the luxury of letting employees learn on the job."

With only 15 employees, Achille says that "we don't go into a hiring decision lightly in this economy," and says no company can afford to put money into training new workers -- those dollars are reserved for "top talent," she says.

"We've decided to just not offer this position to an entry-level person anymore," Achille says. "We've had some good college students come and work here in the past, but we just can't afford to lose the productivity. It costs us money."

(Excerpt) Read more at sltrib.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: academia; college; collegegrads; education; employers; employment; homeschool; workplace
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1 posted on 09/12/2009 5:38:18 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

The Obama “It’s all about me” voters.


2 posted on 09/12/2009 5:40:14 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: george76

The Obama/MTV Generation.

Would the last honest, hard-working American please turn out the light?


3 posted on 09/12/2009 5:41:48 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: george76

Sounds like where I work but they keep most of them for some reason. When a special needs type is on the path for termination, it usually takes a few months unless it something really big.


4 posted on 09/12/2009 5:42:08 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: george76

Garbage In - Garbage Out
Tomany American College Campuses are infested with liberal buffoon professors.
You teach garbage, you graduate garbage..


5 posted on 09/12/2009 5:42:14 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Proud to have made Communist Leader Obama's hit list at flag@whitehouse.gov)
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To: george76

So then they want experienced people, but still only offer them 22k a year...and wonder why they can’t find a decent employee.


6 posted on 09/12/2009 5:43:01 PM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats piss me off.)
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To: george76
I told my daughter when she went for a summer intern position this past summer to remember two things: (1) work hard at whatever they give you to do; (2) be cheerful and never complain.

They loved her! Apparently this kind of work ethic is not as common as it used to be.

7 posted on 09/12/2009 5:43:40 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: RockinRight

Haha, you must work for my company =P


8 posted on 09/12/2009 5:45:07 PM PDT by TheZMan (White male, short hair, armed Patriot. Keep pushing.)
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To: george76

I taught high school until about 5 years ago. I used to think how frightening it was that these were the folks who were going to be running things in a few years. Of course, I had some wonderful students, but most were lazy, couldn’t follow directions and thought life was going to be handed to them on a silver platter.

On the other hand, I remember thinking, after I got out of college, that it hadn’t really prepared me for a job.


9 posted on 09/12/2009 5:45:23 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Sound advice. She will likely always have a job. Good job Mom!


10 posted on 09/12/2009 5:46:27 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: george76
Remember you're still dealing with people whose frontal lobes are not fully developed yet. They don't know what they don't know

That's a good one...

11 posted on 09/12/2009 5:46:28 PM PDT by John123 (If Teddy was the lion of the senate... then we were the prey.)
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To: brytlea
thought life was going to be handed to them on a silver platter.

Well it will be if they keep voting Democrat.

12 posted on 09/12/2009 5:46:52 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("People are idiots." -Thomas A. Caswell)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Excellent advice.


13 posted on 09/12/2009 5:47:08 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Jeanne Achille also was disappointed with the hiring of a recent college hire, promoted by a university professor as a "superstar" and fired after three weeks when it was discovered she spent hours online at work visiting a dating site. She also tweeted about a night of partying -- then e-mailed in sick the next day.

Welcome to the "employer's market" sweetie. Yes, it did happen overnight--enjoy!

14 posted on 09/12/2009 5:47:28 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: george76
They have the standards so low with this appeasement they are producing nothing usable.
15 posted on 09/12/2009 5:52:53 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

BTTT


16 posted on 09/12/2009 5:54:41 PM PDT by T Lady (The MSM: Pravda West)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I told my daughter when she went for a summer intern position this past summer to remember two things: (1) work hard at whatever they give you to do; (2) be cheerful and never complain.

They loved her! Apparently this kind of work ethic is not as common as it used to be.

She is very lucky to have a Mom like you.

Children learn their work ethic from their parents.

17 posted on 09/12/2009 5:59:14 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: george76

We can start by doing what the greatest president of our time wanted to do. Abolish the Dept of Education. This dept. is totally worthless and a mega cash drain.
And in case you don’t know which president I was referring to—Can you spell Reagan?


18 posted on 09/12/2009 6:00:21 PM PDT by taillightchaser (When a democrat says "The American people" you know the next words out of his mouth will be lies.)
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To: brytlea

HA...when I graduated in 1983 with an MBA...all I could think is...NOW I know how much I DON’T KNOW! But, then, I had life and work experience


19 posted on 09/12/2009 6:02:37 PM PDT by goodnesswins (George Orwell would be proud. Truth are lies, Slavery is Freedom, Oppression is Feminism.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Its the old saying we always used about inputting bad computer data, it works on the metronerds coming out of the lib mills today!:

GARBAGE IN = GARBAGE OUT!

Its just as Elegant and Precis an Equatio as is that Most Beautiful of All:
2
E=MC

Now OBOZO wants every U.S. Inhabitant to be a College Graduate! He doesn’t believe in Our Craftsmen, and All Productive Citizens who dont need to waste four to five years of their life learning about the details of the Lint in their Navels!


20 posted on 09/12/2009 6:03:44 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: RockinRight
Sounds like my case but I was on the way out where I was and needed something with decent medical at least for the short term. Being the only one in my remote facility with actual technical knowledge, willing to take responsibility, and actually caring about doing a good job is supposed to be finally yielding some fruit in a couple of months. Things should finally turn around moneywise.
21 posted on 09/12/2009 6:07:57 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: george76
She fired one on his first day

One of the lessons of work life is there are good bosses and bad bosses. There are many good bosses out there so don't waste any time with the bad ones.

22 posted on 09/12/2009 6:08:15 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: AnAmericanMother

“Apparently this kind of work ethic is not as common as it used to be.”

If you attended/graduated college, it’s been awhile.

The sense of entitlement for a lot of college kids these days
is simply jaw-dropping.

My Professor sister-in-law runs into it all the time.


23 posted on 09/12/2009 6:08:35 PM PDT by VOA
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To: AnAmericanMother

You gave your daughter the golden advice. As a retired govt. manager, a person with that work ethic is highly valued.

The worker still needs to be smart and good at his or her job, but the work ethic and the ability to stay out of the vicious gossip circles is critically missing in so many workers.

I have advised all three of my children about this for years. I believe they have taken my advice and appear to be accepted in places where they have worked.

There are many lessons to be learned over the years to be successful, but you have given your daughter the one she needed as an interm.

You must be a good mom.


24 posted on 09/12/2009 6:15:48 PM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen (Raising good children is tough, but highly satisfying.)
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To: wally_bert

Well, I have a job - for which I’m thankful. There are promotion opportunities, but, even my boss’s boss doesn’t make as much money as I did 5 years ago.


25 posted on 09/12/2009 6:17:25 PM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats piss me off.)
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To: george76

Very few parents, high schools, and colleges think they need to teach personal responsibility. They used to.


26 posted on 09/12/2009 6:18:36 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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To: george76

More “stupid” than unprepared?


27 posted on 09/12/2009 6:21:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Unashamed Sarah-Bot.)
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To: george76

One thing the article doesn’t directly read, is that these companies are recruiting college kids.

There are many older people like myself who can’t even get a look by these same whiners.


28 posted on 09/12/2009 6:25:00 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Freedom First in 2010)
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To: thecodont
Children learn their work ethic from their parents.

Ding ding ding din ding ding!

We have the winner!

29 posted on 09/12/2009 6:39:28 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Would the last honest, hard-working American please turn out the light?

I'm too busy!

30 posted on 09/12/2009 6:40:02 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
"Would the last honest, hard-working American please turn out the light?"

I'll get right on that, as soon as I fire the rest of the Union no loads and drunks.

31 posted on 09/12/2009 6:57:52 PM PDT by sniper63 (Silent and stealthy - one shot - one kill)
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To: george76

The informaton in this article is no surprise to me. I suspect that it is fairly common knowledge that the educational system in America is ineffective. It is a failure, and intentionally so.

That is if you see a satisfactory education producing students who have mastered basic skills (the 3 Rs), the ability to think critically and a desire to become successful at whatever field of employment they choose. That is just one view of a successful education.

Sadly that is not the view that prevails today in American education. As long ago as 1983 a woman, I forget her name, who headed up the United States Department of Education described another model. She was addressing the annual gathering of governors.

She began her remarks by pointing out that those who felt the education system to be inadequate did not understand the reality of the system. According to her, educators were engaged in a total transformation of society. Without going into too much detail I will say that there were two things that struck me about her comments on the video I was watching.

One was that she was speaking to the nation’s governors. They were being made aware of the “total transformation’ American educators were initiating on American society.

Secondly, I was reminded of the changes John Dewey implemented in the educational system. This icon of American education opened the first “laboratory school” in New York in 1896. He was a socialist and an enemy of the capitalistic economic system in America.

He indicated that teaching children to read when they entered school was a mistake. He intended to first shape their “attitudes and opinions”. Reading would come after that.

Now we have students who can’t read receiving high school dipl;omas they can’t read. We have several generations of citizens who are ignorant and without the skills to become productive.

No, the article doesn’t surprise me at all. It is scary to consider that America’s governors know what is happening to young American children and to our society. I think Barack Obama could only have been elected POTUS because of American education.


32 posted on 09/12/2009 6:59:06 PM PDT by SkipW
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To: george76
Damn after all that work in feel good classes. What a bummer???
33 posted on 09/12/2009 7:02:50 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: RockinRight
So then they want experienced people, but still only offer them 22k a year...and wonder why they can’t find a decent employee.

I would bet you really nailed it!!

34 posted on 09/12/2009 7:03:47 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
How do we do that if many educational facilities and parents do not teach it? ObamaCare Jokes Obama Jokes
35 posted on 09/12/2009 7:50:11 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: george76

Don’t hire liberal arts majors.


36 posted on 09/12/2009 7:54:53 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: RockinRight

I just hate their luck, pay a decent wage and you will get good employees. 20% of employees produce 80% of the work, the hard part is finding that 20%.


37 posted on 09/12/2009 8:12:57 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: george76

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsQNy4wgMDM


38 posted on 09/13/2009 6:58:41 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: True Republican Patriot

Not every kid is cut out for college. Some look at college as another 4 years of high school. They take classes like underwater basketweaving and wonder why they cant land a job.
My advice to any kid who dont feel like going to college but want a good job, either join the military of take up a building trade like bricklaying or plumbing. They can make a killing and even though it is dirty work, you can at least look at a house you helped build and say “ I did that”.


39 posted on 09/13/2009 6:59:59 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( If this be treason, then lets make the best of it.)
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To: george76

At Digital Equipment Corp., the longer a manager was there, the worse she got.


40 posted on 09/13/2009 7:00:02 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: george76

She like all employers needs to use a professional for hiring newbies. We’re less impressed by the sheepskin, more by evidence of the virtues of modern work. Can you read and write? Could you get to work on time everyday? Can you work in the group without causing upset? Chances are the jobs she’s hiring for don’t really require a degree, but someone has told her that grads are better people. They are not.


41 posted on 09/13/2009 7:18:52 AM PDT by steve8714 (There's a straight line from John Wilkes Booth through Paul Robeson to Sean Penn.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
My advice to my son when he was 16 and first looking for a job. Walk into every single establishment that you apply for, dressed ready for the interview!

You never know if someplace is desperate for an employee that can start right away, but if you walk in dressed in shabby jeans, a T Shirt, and flip flops, you will not be considered for that job.

Also treat every single employee that you meet during that first encounter with sincerity and respect. They probably will be asked by the boss for their first impressions. First impressions are the KEY to any eventual employment.

42 posted on 09/13/2009 7:20:02 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: codercpc

All advice I gave my 3 boys, all but my youngest (15) are currently employed. The other piece of advice I passed along was, in this world there are 2 kinds of people, doers and talkers. Talkers talk because they can’t or won’t do, doer don’t need to talk because they do. Don’t be a talker, be a doer, and you will never lack for a job opportunity. They listened and I have a teenager working in an almost 26% unemployment rate for teens, and a 20 something at the top of his field as a personal trainer in this slow economy. The youngest is having a bit of trouble finding a way to get in the door during this down economy, but he will also prevail after his birthday I have no doubt-(easier at 16 than 15 to find work)


43 posted on 09/13/2009 7:44:39 AM PDT by wombtotomb (Equal opportunity does not mean equal OUTCOME!!)
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To: george76
This is nothing new. Back in the late '70s, the telecommunications company I worked for was having problems with new hires fresh out of college with master's degrees in electrical engineering who could pick ICs out of catalogs but didn't know basic circuit theory. In the early '80s, we interviewed about 15 recent grads with PhDs in computer science; and only two had any marketable skills.
44 posted on 09/13/2009 7:47:48 AM PDT by snarkpup (We need to replace our politicians before they replace us.)
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To: george76
I run a series of university computer labs that offer research and technology assistance(about 1000 systems over several buildings) and have a large staff who are mostly college students. Several are really sharp and should do well(mostly engineering and science students), but I'm not so sure about the rest. With open book tests being the norm, plagiarism everywhere you look, and the writing skills of many college students being abysmal, I can see why they don't succeed in the "real" world. I recently had to fire a student because he didn't think I was serious when I warned him about blowing off his shifts!
45 posted on 09/13/2009 8:25:01 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: snarkpup

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they allow disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children now are tyrants,not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when eleders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
-Plato

“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words… When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of
elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and
impatient of restraint” (Hesiod, 8th century BC).


46 posted on 09/13/2009 8:37:57 AM PDT by John Will
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To: george76

What I’m doing doesn’t require a degree, and it’s a quite important job.


47 posted on 09/13/2009 8:39:00 AM PDT by wastedyears (The best aid we could ever give Africa would be thousands of rifles to throw out their own dictators)
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To: thecodont
Children learn their work ethic from their parents.

So that explains why I am the way I am...

48 posted on 09/13/2009 8:43:57 AM PDT by wastedyears (The best aid we could ever give Africa would be thousands of rifles to throw out their own dictators)
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To: aegiscg47

Many kids can not make change in a grocery store, fast food joint...only using their brain.


49 posted on 09/13/2009 8:45:22 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: wastedyears; Grampa Dave; BIGLOOK; tubebender; M. Espinola; rellimpank; jazusamo; GladesGuru

We see many art history majors and such hitting their career high at Starbucks serving coffee.


50 posted on 09/13/2009 8:48:25 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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