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Why Can't She Walk to School? (Only 13% of kids walk to school in 2009)
New York Times ^ | September 13, 2009 | Jan Hoffman

Posted on 09/14/2009 7:40:44 AM PDT by Arec Barrwin

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To: dfwgator

Schools should never have been forced to consolidate into larger and larger schools. Your point about wasted fuel is a good one but also think of all of the kids that never got a chance to participate in varsity sports. If it weren’t for my sports experience I wouldn’t be the leader I am today.


101 posted on 09/14/2009 8:56:30 AM PDT by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Parents shouldn't be bashed for protecting their kids. It's not only understandable...it's right.

What's wrong is the hold the MSM has on people and this story is another example of the illusions people suffer under which just aren't based on reality. The power of the MSM over people's thinking and behavior is way scarier than would-be kidnappers.

They did it last Fall with the economy and they did it with global warming and this is just another example of how they operate IMO.

102 posted on 09/14/2009 8:56:32 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Pessimist
I get stuck behind the school bus stopping at nearly every single driveway

Happens in my neighborhood, too, even though every house is on a residential-only street, with stop signs, sidewalks, and crosswalks. They could drop the the whole busload at a central point and no child would have to walk more than 10 minutes to his door.

103 posted on 09/14/2009 8:57:08 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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To: Jewbacca

Where are you? The West Bank? Dearborn, MI?


104 posted on 09/14/2009 8:57:25 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Sad, but I still don’t see why we need SCHOOL BUSSES if the school is under two miles away. If that is the case, the kids should be driven by their own parents.


105 posted on 09/14/2009 8:58:14 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Professional

I let me children out without supervision (my oldest is 15 and he watches his siblings) and had CPS called on me for neglect.


106 posted on 09/14/2009 8:59:20 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: SoftballMominVA

I really had no idea so many places had no sidewalks. That does make a difference. But, the voters should be raising a stink about that.


107 posted on 09/14/2009 8:59:36 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Yes this mother is sad. Wanting her 7 year old child walk to school??? Is this woman even stable enought to keep this kid. Now she has plastered her all over the media and still wishes her kid could walk. Man she has a deathwish on this child of hers.


108 posted on 09/14/2009 8:59:42 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: antiRepublicrat

It almost sounds like you live near me! In the subdivision, one can walk all around safely, but trying to get the last 100 yards to the school is a nightmare. People go roaring along in their SUVs talking on the cellphone, like they’re in their own private universe. (/rant)


109 posted on 09/14/2009 9:00:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

30 years ago there were places kids to run to if they were worried about a stranger. These days, many don’t want to be involved.


110 posted on 09/14/2009 9:00:26 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
The larger point is that you can no longer be confident that those in close physical proximity to you actually share the same values.

Maybe that belief in times past was naivete, but I certainly don't believe it now.

111 posted on 09/14/2009 9:01:11 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Actually, when I taught elementary school (a couple of years ago) the kids DID seem insecure. They thought a lot about things like getting abducted or murdered. I never thought about it at their age (4th grade).

I think parents should do as they see fit with their own kids, however, I think it’s silly to suggest that there will be no repercussions from teaching them that danger lurks in every corner.


112 posted on 09/14/2009 9:03:56 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: what's up
What's wrong is the hold the MSM has on people and this story is another example of the illusions people suffer under which just aren't based on reality. The power of the MSM over people's thinking and behavior is way scarier than would-be kidnappers.

Unless the media is making child abduction stories up, I see parents' reactions as quite reasonable.

113 posted on 09/14/2009 9:04:42 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: brytlea
Actually, when I taught elementary school (a couple of years ago) the kids DID seem insecure. They thought a lot about things like getting abducted or murdered. I never thought about it at their age (4th grade).

When I subsitute teach at my children's middle school, I don't see that. I see happy, confident kids.

Who all were driven to school by either a parent or carpool.

114 posted on 09/14/2009 9:07:07 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Wandering around unattended? Going to a specific place is not exactly wandering around. Unless of course you don’t trust your kids to go from point A to point B, but instead to just wander around. I admit, I never had to worry about that with my boys.


115 posted on 09/14/2009 9:07:34 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Clemenza

What is wrong with you?! Stop making sense!


116 posted on 09/14/2009 9:09:24 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Tax-chick

LOL I suspect riding in a car with a parent on a cell phone may be more dangerous than walking.


117 posted on 09/14/2009 9:10:26 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Clemenza; Jewbacca

Good question - I’m curious to know as well. Wondering if that was an isolated incident or an ongoing problem. I’d have to move, for sure.


118 posted on 09/14/2009 9:10:54 AM PDT by HollyB ("Can you hear us now?!")
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Unless the media is making child abduction stories up

As with everything else, they overhype the stories because they get money for doing so.

If there really were only 115 cases of abduction in the entire US of A as is reported in the article, fears are grossly exagerrated.

119 posted on 09/14/2009 9:11:32 AM PDT by what's up
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To: babygene
I think if I lived in a place where my son could not walk to school, I’d move...

Right! When I was shopping for my first home it took me forever till I found a house I wanted. I finally found one where the elementary school was two blocks away, the middle school one block away and hi-school a couple of miles. My son walked to all three schools with never a problem.

120 posted on 09/14/2009 9:11:48 AM PDT by shiva
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To: HungarianGypsy

I do recall (this would have been quite a few years ago tho) a program in which parents who were willing to be a place kids could go in case of emergency had signs in their windows. I don’t recall what, if any, sort of background checks were done, tho.

It’s sad that we don’t all know our neighbors anymore. But, even when I was growing up, I doubt I would have gone to anyone else’s house in case of emergency. I would have felt weird. I’m sure I would have hoofed it home. Of course, back then we were all in great shape from walking/running all over the place.


121 posted on 09/14/2009 9:12:38 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

You may be right. As someone pointed out up the thread, abductions are vanishingly rare, in terms of overall population. Car accidents are terribly common, with injuries or fatalities to both passengers and pedestrians.


122 posted on 09/14/2009 9:13:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is our duty: to zot their sorry arses into the next time zone." ~ Admin Mod)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I lived upstate New York for 8th and 9th grades back in the 60’s. 30 min walk to school...at least 2 miles. I would freeze in winter, never got a ride to school. We would walk to school in a gaggle, we would always wait along the route, the gaggle would grow as the guy who lived the furthest arrived and we joined in. Don’t ever remember a snow day but remember walking through 6 inches of snow and still snowing. I remember class rooms had to have a coat and boot area because once you were at school you had to take off your arctic gear, could not fit into a locker.


123 posted on 09/14/2009 9:13:56 AM PDT by Paratrooper
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Your experience is different than mine. Could be that middle schoolers are unlikely to talk about stuff like that with adults. 4th graders seem to talk about everything. Even things I suspect their parents would rather they did not.


124 posted on 09/14/2009 9:14:24 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea
Unless of course you don’t trust your kids to go from point A to point B, but instead to just wander around. I admit, I never had to worry about that with my boys.

As I said, walking to school is not an issue in my life.

I just fail to see the great benefit to it that others here obviously do.

It's just a risk/reward thing with me, with an infinite downside played against dubious upside.

125 posted on 09/14/2009 9:14:48 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Gee, we live just under a mile from a grammar school - all the children are bused. When they get home from school, the mothers put ‘Warning: Children at play’ signs in the middle of the street so the kids can play there. There’s a curve to the street and it isn’t unusual to come around it and have 4 or 5 kids playing in the middle of the road. When we’ve suggested that it probably isn’t a good idea to teach kids they can play in the road, the mothers go ballistic. Oh, yes - there are spacious back and/or front yards for all houses.

We’ve been in the neighborhood some 25 years. Never had this problem before. Don’t understand today’s parents.


126 posted on 09/14/2009 9:15:03 AM PDT by NHResident
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Unless the media is making child abduction stories up,

Of course the media would never, never exaggerate anything in order to boost viewership.

I believe that the FBI's NCIC statistics show the total number of stranger abductions (not runaways, not by a family member) as less than 200 per year.

Now if you prohibit your kids from exposure to any other activity that kills 200 children, in all of America, per year, you are being logical in preventing them from walking to school. I might not agree with you, but you still would be logically consistent.

127 posted on 09/14/2009 9:15:06 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: brytlea

LOL, yeah i guess that’s it.


128 posted on 09/14/2009 9:15:20 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Tax-chick

We did have a little girl murdered at our local mall last year. But, she was abducted, along with her mother, and both were killed and left in a vehicle in the mall parking lot. I suppose we should not take our kids to malls.


129 posted on 09/14/2009 9:16:28 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Paratrooper

Sounds like the one winter we spent near Boston. It was SOOOO cold and we walked anyway. I was really glad when we moved to Georgia!


130 posted on 09/14/2009 9:17:42 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: NHResident
When we’ve suggested that it probably isn’t a good idea to teach kids they can play in the road, the mothers go ballistic.

Ay-men to that. The kids in our town whose mommies -do- let them out of eyesight on their bikes zigzag down the middle of the road as if they expect that the world's job is to get out of their way. God help us when they are old enough to drive.

131 posted on 09/14/2009 9:17:46 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

And as I said, parents should do what they think best. Always.


132 posted on 09/14/2009 9:19:35 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Getting struck by lightening is rare too, but I wouldn’t purposely stand out in the middle of a storm.

Since you're much more likely to get killed in a car wreck, have you sworn off driving or riding in cars?

133 posted on 09/14/2009 9:19:40 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Notary Sojac
Honestly, I've never really confronted the question until now.

After 3rd grade, I attended private schools, all of which were too far to walk. My children have always attended private schools with the same situation.

So, I am now trying to see how it benefits a child to walk to school. I am open to being persuaded, but no one's done it yet.

134 posted on 09/14/2009 9:19:58 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I walked or rode my bike. Sad that kids can’t be more independent.


135 posted on 09/14/2009 9:20:49 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: TChris
Since you're much more likely to get killed in a car wreck, have you sworn off driving or riding in cars?

I'll bet she wears a seat-belt.

136 posted on 09/14/2009 9:21:32 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Arec Barrwin
Everyone on this thread ought to watch the South Park episode "Child Abduction is Not Funny".

From the Wikipedia synopsis..

"Meanwhile, back within the town limits a news report states that the parents are most likely to abduct their own children. Unable to think of any reasonable solution, they force all their children from the city, to avoid putting their children in danger of being kidnapped by their own parents."

137 posted on 09/14/2009 9:21:48 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: Republic of Texas

>> In all those years I was never even approached by a stranger.

I was, during my elementary years in the mid 70s right outside the school property. I remember it well. I declined the offer for a ride home. A police report was filed but nothing ever came of it as far as I was told.


138 posted on 09/14/2009 9:22:17 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Clemenza

“The West Bank?”

LOL. I used to live in the territories. We have some heated incidents, but seldom day-to-day harrassments.

I don’t want to say my location (in the USA), but it is a well-established, largely Jewish community. Very residential, very upscale, doctors, lawyers, business exectutives.

It’s not a one-off, but it happens several times a year where someone throws things at the kids.


139 posted on 09/14/2009 9:24:10 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

It benefits children in general to be doing things without adult supervision as soon as they are capable of understanding the basic safety rules for the particular activity. Walking to school is a subset of that.


140 posted on 09/14/2009 9:25:56 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: brytlea

I’d wash my hair everyday before school and it would be frozen by the time I would get to school...didn’t have hair dryers back then and didn’t want to wear a hat because it would mess up the hair!


141 posted on 09/14/2009 9:26:01 AM PDT by Paratrooper
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To: HollyB

“I’d have to move, for sure.”

We’ve run out of world to move to.

Move, make it nice, 50 years later trouble follows.

Hence, Zionism.


142 posted on 09/14/2009 9:27:48 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: TChris

No I have not. I’m a damn good driver. I’ve been driving for 35 years and never had an accident. My husband has been driving for 33 years and the only accident he ever had was an idiot in Miami who bumped him - not a big deal. No one in my family has had a wreck - both sisters, their kids, their husbands - maybe the bad drivers keep having accidents to run that stat up.


143 posted on 09/14/2009 9:27:58 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: Paratrooper

Oh, that would have been doubly miserable! At least I was only in 3rd grade and didn’t care how my hair looked!


144 posted on 09/14/2009 9:28:18 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

You can bet on it, and I don’t text or talk on the phone either while driving.


145 posted on 09/14/2009 9:29:15 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: Trailerpark Badass; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I'll bet she wears a seat-belt.

There you go!

Otherwise risky activities can be rendered much LESS risky. Wear a seatbelt and drive your car safely. Wear a helmet and ride your bike safely. Use a safety rope and go mountain climbing safely.

Proper education of your child (walk directly to/from school, choose a public and visible route, no sight-seeing, no alternate routes, walk with at least one other friend, etc..)

It's a bigger disservice to your child to teach her to live in fear rather than to reduce the risks and live her life.

146 posted on 09/14/2009 9:30:30 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Notary Sojac
I never walked to school. Should I feel deprived? When I look back at what I WAS allowed to do, it was pointlessly reckless. Maybe my fearless independence was formed then, though, so maybe you're right.

But given what I've seen from my own classmates, and those of my children, walking to school adds very little that can be observed.

147 posted on 09/14/2009 9:30:53 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Notary Sojac

On a weekly basis, we hear of someone following a child in Houston, or a situation where a kid walking alone was harrassed. I was in elementary school in a much smaller city than Houston in the 60’s. Even way back then, we had a man sitting in his car in front of the school offering candy to kids. I remember it well because the teachers came outside and watched us all cross the street for a few weeks - watching all the cars. Back then most of us walked home - I remember running and staying closer to the houses than the street because I was afraid.


148 posted on 09/14/2009 9:32:34 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Thank you. I wish more people would be like that.


149 posted on 09/14/2009 9:32:37 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Have these people never heard of a walking school bus?


150 posted on 09/14/2009 9:34:34 AM PDT by Between the Lines (For their sins of 50 million abortions God gave them over to be an ObamaNation {Romans 1:24-32})
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