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Why Can't She Walk to School? (Only 13% of kids walk to school in 2009)
New York Times ^ | September 13, 2009 | Jan Hoffman

Posted on 09/14/2009 7:40:44 AM PDT by Arec Barrwin

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To: TChris
Since you live in a State that has about 300,000 people total, it may not be apparent to you that bad things happen every day. Not all of the things are reported on national news - I can teach independence to my child in many ways that are safer than turning him or her loose alone.

You let your kids take the chances, I opted not to.

151 posted on 09/14/2009 9:34:45 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
No I have not. I’m a damn good driver. I’ve been driving for 35 years and never had an accident.

That's all terrific, if you're the only driver on the road. You'll avoid any accidents that YOU might have caused.

What about the others?

I've been hit by another driver and my wife has been hit four times so far. None of these accidents were our fault.

Life has risks. We reduce the risks as much as we can and get on with living. I think letting your child walk to school fits in that category as well.

I teach my daughters (I have two) to make good decisions and to avoid risk while living life.

152 posted on 09/14/2009 9:36:17 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: TChris
Otherwise risky activities can be rendered much LESS risky. Wear a seatbelt and drive your car safely.

Drive your kids to school, and the risk of harm, from walking to school, is not lessened, but eliminated.

if you could do something that not just mitigates risk, but eliminates it altogether, wouldn't you do that, especially where your children are concerned?

153 posted on 09/14/2009 9:38:18 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I can’t speak for all walkers, but our oldest son learned responsibility from walking to school. Even when he was 7, he was the one who made sure that his older/younger siblings were doing what was right during their trek to school. (this is not to say he didn’t do stupid things when he wasn’t on that walk! when it was play time, he did do some questionable things involving the road, but I digress . . .) When our second son was suddenly the only walker to the school down the street, he also became responsible though not in the same way. He was 6 and had been walking to school with siblings for 1 3/4 years, and he continued to walk to school each day, making sure that he was on time and prepared for school. He continued to be responsible for himself each year after that. I can’t say that he did a very good job taking care of his younger sister the next year. The crossing guard occasionally let me know when he tormented his sister on the way to school. Son learned that there were people watching him even if was unaware.

I saw very little risk in our children walking to school or to the bus stop. (the middle school/high school bus stop) I miss living in a neighborhood like our old one. We have lived in places where I would not let the children play outside unattended.


154 posted on 09/14/2009 9:38:35 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: TChris
It's a bigger disservice to your child to teach her to live in fear rather than to reduce the risks and live her life.

Do you REALLY think that's what I'm doing?

155 posted on 09/14/2009 9:39:15 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: NHResident

OMG - what you are describing sounds dangerous! What type of moron parent encourages their kids to play in the street? That sign isn’t going to do a bit of good when some idiot comes flying around the corner.

What happened to playing in backyards?


156 posted on 09/14/2009 9:40:27 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Trailerpark Badass

However, the risk from a car accident increases. You have only substituted one risk for another.


157 posted on 09/14/2009 9:41:40 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: TChris
Well obviously you and your wife aren't so great at defensive driving. Four accidents and none were her fault - I can buy that but she put herself into a position where she couldn't avoid a car hitting her - driving too close and not being aware of what might happen is stil partially your fault - we all share the road. I've driven in many large cities - philly, houston, dallas, Los Angeles, Denver, Jacksonville.... my actions kept me from being hit by someone else.

Best of luck to your daughters - I hope they never experience anything scary while walking alone.

158 posted on 09/14/2009 9:42:53 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: ClearCase_guy

In our community we had a family that lived on the driveway into the school and the bus stopped for their child and then drove the two hundred feet to the school.


159 posted on 09/14/2009 9:44:24 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Angry about where our country is going with the current regime at the helm.)
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To: Jewbacca

I’m sorry to hear all of this. And I know this is far from comparable, but I thought I’d share this with you.

When we moved here from Europe 40 years ago, kids in the neighborhood used to throw tomatoes at us and call us “Foreigners”. One of the kids threw a rock once, my dad said, enough was enough - and gave the boy a time out in the corner. (he called the parents and advised them of the situation). He tolerated tomato throwing, but rock throwing a a huge no-no in our family.

Little did those boys know that the reason we were in Europe was because my father was serving his country overseas.


160 posted on 09/14/2009 9:44:58 AM PDT by HollyB ("Can you hear us now?!")
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To: Jewbacca

You’re right. I was only thinking about the current situation and not the bigger picture. I’m sorry for this.


161 posted on 09/14/2009 9:53:27 AM PDT by HollyB ("Can you hear us now?!")
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To: Arec Barrwin

Perhaps the reason so many parents are afraid of their children being abducted is because that they are no longer married to the child’s other biological parent.


162 posted on 09/14/2009 9:54:08 AM PDT by Between the Lines (For their sins of 50 million abortions God gave them over to be an ObamaNation {Romans 1:24-32})
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To: Trailerpark Badass

seriously! my life is so empty because i never walked to school! LOL!


163 posted on 09/14/2009 9:55:25 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
I’ve never been on a school bus, and I’m thirty-something.

You're kind of old for school anyway.....LOL
164 posted on 09/14/2009 9:55:54 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Between the Lines
Good point. You know the big bussing issues started, at least in the south, when they integrated the schools. Before that, we had neighborhood schools and everyone, black, white, hispanic could walk to their neighborhood schools. They could hang around for extra help from a teacher, or to play ball after school.

Rounding up kids, like cattle, and shipping them across town ruined neighborhood schools and the safety our kids felt. I always felt sorry for anyone who had to be bussed - big government deciding what was best -

165 posted on 09/14/2009 9:58:22 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Since you live in a State that has about 300,000 people total, it may not be apparent to you that bad things happen every day.

LOL!

You're right. Bad things don't happen in Wyoming.

Not all of the things are reported on national news...

As far as I know, child abductions make the news just about anywhere. They're also reported and tracked in crime statistics. Those make it clear that it's still a rare thing.

I can teach independence to my child in many ways that are safer than turning him or her loose alone.

"Turning him or her loose alone" is exactly what a parent must do, eventually. By the time your child grows up, she'll need to know how to walk down the street without being afraid. When do you plan to teach her that, and how?

166 posted on 09/14/2009 9:58:49 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
I was in elementary school in a much smaller city than Houston in the 60’s. Even way back then, we had a man sitting in his car in front of the school offering candy to kids.

I'm assuming that neither you nor any of your classmates took this guy up on his offer, if any of them had you would certainly remember, right?

So the upshot here is that you learned how to safely walk from school and survived in perfect health.

There were occasional stories of this kind when I walked to school in Chicago (early '70's). We were told what to be alert for and what to do and not do. I and all my friends survived unscathed to graduation. Worked for me and my kids (now 19 and 30) too.

167 posted on 09/14/2009 10:02:17 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: Between the Lines
Perhaps the reason so many parents are afraid of their children being abducted is because that they are no longer married to the child’s other biological parent.

Dingdingdingdingding!!!! WINNAH!!!

168 posted on 09/14/2009 10:03:41 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: TChris
I never said bad things didn't happen in Wyoming, you decided that was what I meant. I also didn't say that abductions aren't reported, I said not all incidents of harrasment or attempted abduction are reported. As I said, we have weekly reports on Houston tv news about someone circling a block or actually grabbing at a child - weekly.

Don't worry about my children - I have one in college and one about to start - both are perfectly capable of walking, talking and taking care of themselves.

I will add this to your comments about statistics: Your kids have a 100% greater chance of being abducted, harrassed or harmed walking to school than mine do. As I said before, I hope they never experience anything like that.

169 posted on 09/14/2009 10:03:57 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: Notary Sojac
You are correct - no one took him up on the offer. And I'm sure there are many times when kids today make a good choice to change directions to avoid a possible situation. We probably wouldn't hear about those sort of things now would we?

I"m not willing to take the chance with my kids. Perhaps you are willing to gamble.

170 posted on 09/14/2009 10:06:17 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Drive your kids to school, and the risk of harm, from walking to school, is not lessened, but eliminated.

if you could do something that not just mitigates risk, but eliminates it altogether, wouldn't you do that, especially where your children are concerned?

Why stop there? She'll be even safer if I don't let her leave the house at all!

In fact, I could make her wear a helmet, elbow and knee pads as well as shin guards and steel-toed boots while she's IN the house.

...just to be sure.

Seriously though, the problem is that she grows up not knowing HOW to walk down the street safely! She grows up never walking by the neighbor's flower garden, or the old 1939 Lincoln in Mr. Miller's back yard. In short, she misses out on an important part of what it means to be a child. She grows up not feeling safe outside in a largely beautiful, safe world!

Will you let her drive a car when she's a teenager? Why take the risk? Don't ever let her get a license.

171 posted on 09/14/2009 10:07:06 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Do you REALLY think that's what I'm doing?

Not explicitly. Not intentionally. But that's the effect anyway.

She grows up learning that you just don't DO that. You just don't go walk anywhere, you drive.

172 posted on 09/14/2009 10:08:19 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: mysterio

There may have been child bullies, but there weren’t adult perverts waiting to rape, torture, and kill you. Big difference. In this violence- and pornography-driven culture of today, things just aren’t the same as they were in the 50s, 60s, or even 70s. I think it all started to change in the 80s. That’s when pornography started to go mainstream. Anyone remember Star Search and the “soft porn” model segments? I think that was the start of it.


173 posted on 09/14/2009 10:10:46 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: TChris
She grows up not feeling safe outside in a largely beautiful, safe world!

Thank you. Very well put.

In my city of 125,000, there are probably 25 people who would harm a child and 124,975 who would protect them.

174 posted on 09/14/2009 10:12:54 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Well obviously you and your wife aren't so great at defensive driving.

LOL! Ok, so it WAS my fault after all, huh? :-)

News flash: There are some accidents you CAN'T avoid, FRiend.

Four accidents and none were her fault - I can buy that but she put herself into a position where she couldn't avoid a car hitting her...

Each one was her being rear-ended by an inattentive driver from behind. Care to share your wisdom on how she SHOULD have avoided allowing a car to hit her from behind while stopped at a stop light?

...driving too close and not being aware of what might happen is stil partially your fault - we all share the road. I've driven in many large cities - philly, houston, dallas, Los Angeles, Denver, Jacksonville.... my actions kept me from being hit by someone else.

Good for you. Watch out when you're stopped at a light. :-)

Best of luck to your daughters - I hope they never experience anything scary while walking alone.

They might. That's why I teach them to scream, fight, kick and run. :-) But I want them to HAVE experience.

175 posted on 09/14/2009 10:13:28 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Notary Sojac
OOoooh, that could have been said better...

In my city of 125,000, there are probably 25 people who would harm a child and 124,975 who would protect that child against the 25.

176 posted on 09/14/2009 10:14:12 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: petitfour
We have lived in places where I would not let the children play outside unattended.

With today's mobility and anonymity, not to mention wholsesale importation of cultural values inimical to our traditional ones, I'm not sure that any place, other than a well-run gated community, is safe to let your children outside of adult observation.

Given that, in my first neighborhood, the friendly guy who would give horse rides and let the kids use his pool turned into a sex offender, I am not gambling with my children's lives or innocence. I will just have to come up with some other method to teach self-sufficiency than letting my kids do a walkabout.

177 posted on 09/14/2009 10:15:56 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Chickensoup
In our community we had a family that lived on the driveway into the school and the bus stopped for their child and then drove the two hundred feet to the school.

I can top thqat - I have student whose house BORDERS the property line of the school. Yes, a bus stops to pick him up

178 posted on 09/14/2009 10:16:20 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: TChris
Wow, four times hit from behind in Wyoming? That's a pretty amazing coincidence. I hope she was never injured.

As I said before, you want your kids to have the experience of walking to school alone - I hope they never have to deal with anything dangerous.

My choice was not to put my children into that type of situation - it is still America pal, I'll make my choices and you make yours.

179 posted on 09/14/2009 10:17:05 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
do something that not just mitigates risk, but eliminates it altogether

One of the most poisonous concepts in contemporary America is the idea that risk can be "eliminated altogether".

The only risk-free environment is the grave.

180 posted on 09/14/2009 10:17:52 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: TChris
Not explicitly. Not intentionally. But that's the effect anyway.

Perhaps you missed my post where I related that this walking to school question, in my case, is a purely hypothetical exercise.

I could say the same about the imagined benefits of one's idyllic childhood.

181 posted on 09/14/2009 10:18:27 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: TChris; Trailerpark Badass

Wow, TChris - all this information about us being overprotective yet aren’t you the one who is always pushing for Gardisil so the “kids will be safe”? lol


182 posted on 09/14/2009 10:19:09 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: Notary Sojac
One of the most poisonous concepts in contemporary America is the idea that risk can be "eliminated altogether".

I said the risk from walking to school could be eliminated altogether, not ALL RISK FROM EVERYTHING.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

183 posted on 09/14/2009 10:20:05 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Your kids have a 100% greater chance of being abducted, harrassed or harmed walking to school than mine do. As I said before, I hope they never experience anything like that.

Umm... No.

I'm guessing you've never taken a statistics course.

Also, consider:

Some are abducted from their own homes. Do you allow your children to go outside?

Some are abducted at school, from the playground. Do you allow your children to play outside at school?

Some are abducted in stores, while their parents are shopping. Do you take your kids shopping?

Some are abducted from their own homes, in the middle of the night. Do you keep your kids in a barred and locked room?

Some bad things will happen. We CAN'T stop ALL of them. We CAN stifle and smother our kids' growth and experience in an attempt to do so.

I want my girls to have experience, be wise, and SEE the world with their own eyes.

184 posted on 09/14/2009 10:20:39 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
My choice was not to put my children into that type of situation - it is still America pal, I'll make my choices and you make yours.

Same to you, FRiend. :-)

185 posted on 09/14/2009 10:22:08 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: TChris

Homeschooled - sorry Tchrissy - and again, walking TO and FROM school, your girls have 100% greater chance than mine of having a problem.... sorry you are having a difficult time understanding what I type


186 posted on 09/14/2009 10:23:06 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: Arec Barrwin

The wife’s inner-city school district provides busses if you live 3 CITY BLOCKS AWAY from the school.

Growing up, you had to be OVER 1 Mile away to get a bus.


187 posted on 09/14/2009 10:24:09 AM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Wow, TChris - all this information about us being overprotective yet aren’t you the one who is always pushing for Gardisil so the “kids will be safe”? lol

Yep. ...and for the same reason.

The chance of a problem is very small compared to the benefit.

Risk vs. reward analysis is a very valuable tool for decision-making.

Emotional reaction to scary stories is not.

188 posted on 09/14/2009 10:25:00 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
the risk from walking to school could be eliminated altogether

No, it can't.

189 posted on 09/14/2009 10:25:34 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

“I’ve never been on a school bus, and I’m thirty-something. Homeschooling advantage #795.”

You missed out on all those daily Sociology examples of DARWIN’S LAW: The rule of the fittest?


190 posted on 09/14/2009 10:25:45 AM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: Tax-chick

C.r.o.s.s.i.n.g . G.u.a.r.d.s


191 posted on 09/14/2009 10:27:24 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Part of the problem with this discussion is that you INSIST on saying that a child walking to school is simply wandering around. There is a great deal of difference in letting a child go somewhere specific and just letting them roam at will wherever. But, if you have to use such tactics to make your point, it indicates to me that you don’t really think you can make your point on its merits.


192 posted on 09/14/2009 10:27:46 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Homeschooled - sorry Tchrissy - and again, walking TO and FROM school, your girls have 100% greater chance than mine of having a problem.... sorry you are having a difficult time understanding what I type

No, the problem is YOU don't understand statistics. It's NOT 100% greater chance.

Let me put it another way.

If there's a 20% chance of rain today (assuming the forecast is accurate), do I have a 100% greater chance of getting rained on by going outside than someone who stays inside all day?

No!

My chances go from 0% to 20%.

Understand?

(Oh, and your kids could still be abducted FROM your home. That's a very rare event, but still greater than 0%.)

193 posted on 09/14/2009 10:29:22 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

We send our children to school, and that’s as much a risk as letting them walk to school. Our oldest children were taught social studies at a middle school by what I thought was a creepy guy. Sure enough, he turned out to be obsessed with child porn. His girlfriend turned him in. I don’t know if he’s in jail now or not.


194 posted on 09/14/2009 10:38:00 AM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: brytlea; SoftballMominVA
I really had no idea so many places had no sidewalks. That does make a difference. But, the voters should be raising a stink about that.

I live in a different part of VA than SoftballMom and the only places you will find sidewalks in this entire county is in some of the incorporated towns. Because we are so rural most of the roads don't even have shoulders.

The road we live on is very busy, but even though it has no shoulders it is wide enough that I will allow my 11yo daughter walk to the store (which I can see out my back door) and to her girlfriend's house (the other girl's grandmother picks up sight of my daughter at the curve in the road where I lose sight of her.)

Letting her walk to school will not happen.

Voting makes no never mind, there just isn't room to put in sidewalks unless we pave over most of this rural county, and sidewalks are not on a list of priorities or even desires of most that live here.

195 posted on 09/14/2009 10:40:37 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort)
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To: Gabz

So, not letting your child walk to school has nothing to do with sidewalks?


196 posted on 09/14/2009 10:43:12 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: HollyB

“my father was serving his country overseas.”

Let me fix that - “serving our country” - overseas.


197 posted on 09/14/2009 10:48:12 AM PDT by HollyB ("Can you hear us now?!")
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To: Notary Sojac
No, it can't.

Please explain. I must be too stupid to figure out what you're getting at.

198 posted on 09/14/2009 10:48:57 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Little Ray

bttt


199 posted on 09/14/2009 10:50:14 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: brytlea
Part of the problem with this discussion is that you INSIST on saying that a child walking to school is simply wandering around. There is a great deal of difference in letting a child go somewhere specific and just letting them roam at will wherever. But, if you have to use such tactics to make your point, it indicates to me that you don’t really think you can make your point on its merits.

LOL, what?

I concede your point that walking to school is NOT just walking around aimlessly.

OK?

200 posted on 09/14/2009 10:52:37 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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