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Why Can't She Walk to School? (Only 13% of kids walk to school in 2009)
New York Times ^ | September 13, 2009 | Jan Hoffman

Posted on 09/14/2009 7:40:44 AM PDT by Arec Barrwin

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To: Arec Barrwin

My kids don’t walk because the public school system is unsuitable........therefore we have a 10 mile drive but well worth it :)


51 posted on 09/14/2009 8:09:58 AM PDT by Cheryllynn
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To: capt. norm

I walked 1/2 mi year-round all through elementary school, and 1+ mile for Jr High and High School until I got my license and a car (grad 1965).

Very very many of my best and most instructive real-world socialization lessons and experiences were on the way to/from school (and detours, LOL) as well as the go everywhere/anywhere way of life back then when America was America and skoo was School. And “snow” days when school was closed?.....I think maybe 4 or 5 in my entire public school education.......these days, school is closed twice as many days in just one winter....


52 posted on 09/14/2009 8:10:19 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Arec Barrwin
Are you sure you want to be doing this?

We got the same questions when our three walked home (about 4 blocks) from school in a residential area. When we told folks to mind their own business, we got phone calls to the school principal and the police. FO busybodies.

53 posted on 09/14/2009 8:10:42 AM PDT by TankerKC (USAF...retired.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Things have changed.

The thinking ("psyche" was my word earlier) has changed.

But the reality is that very, very, very few kids are abducted. So much fear over so little cause.

54 posted on 09/14/2009 8:11:23 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Arec Barrwin

Probably safer these days then when many of us were kids and walked. But the media of course has elevated the dangers to beyond reality in our heads.


55 posted on 09/14/2009 8:11:38 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Tax-chick

Same here. My kids would have to cross a road that doesn’t even have a pedestrian crossing, and walk along another next to a main road without even a sidewalk, just couple feet of grass between the road and the guard rail. A kid got killed walking around there recently.


56 posted on 09/14/2009 8:11:53 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: KosmicKitty
We just have 24 hour news & helicopter parenting nowadays.

Add in the custody disputes that trigger nation-wide Amber alerts and you have a great recipe for paranoia.

57 posted on 09/14/2009 8:13:10 AM PDT by TankerKC (USAF...retired.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Here in central Connecticut, every kid takes the bus.

There is a house next to the entrance to the elementary school, complete with sidewalks...the kids in that house take a bus.


58 posted on 09/14/2009 8:14:40 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I think parents are being ridiculous in most situations.

I live in a nice, safe neighborhood, and yet I get stuck behind the school bus stopping at nearly every single driveway for another precious snowflake.

Can’t they at least group up in one yard or another to minimize the stops?

And what I wonder is this: Why is it Ok for your kid to play in the front yard without you at his side, but it’s not Ok for him to stand there waiting for a bus without you at his side?

Somebody ‘splain that to me..


59 posted on 09/14/2009 8:17:25 AM PDT by Pessimist (u)
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To: Jewbacca
Several decades later now, the children have been harassed (bricks were throw from a van) and we have been warned to not let our children walk alone for fear of attack.

If you're in a neighborhood where people throw bricks from a van it may not be the typical suburbia.

There's no doubt that society has coarsened overall. But statistics show that the facts often don't bear out the fears; on many of these issues the MSM has brain-washed the public.

60 posted on 09/14/2009 8:17:32 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Arec Barrwin

The fruit of the “Stranger Danger “ campaign.


61 posted on 09/14/2009 8:19:55 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: what's up
115 out of 300 million is a speck.

LOL, yeah, I guess, unless the "speck" is one of yours.

BTW, according the NCIC, approximately 750,000 the disappearance of a child was serious enough that a parent called the police, the police took a report, and the police entered that report into NCIC (in 2001). Surely, most of those were probably runaways, or misunderstandings, or "family" abductions, but the author's 115 number sounds absurdly low.

Maybe she is citing resolved, prosecuted cases, but then there is the fact that many children simply disappear.

Traditionally, authorities have been slow to act in missing child cases. I, for one, am glad things are changing.

62 posted on 09/14/2009 8:20:30 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

YES I HAVE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MY CHILD (daughter, sandy blonde)Walked to school every day. WHEN we recently moved.. she has to walk farther than the child IN THE STORY, to her School BUS STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MSM MIND CONTROL is correct.. I feel like I’m sitting in a DNC THERAPY GROUP..

DAMN PEOPLE.. you wanna raise my family for me... I THINK NOT!


63 posted on 09/14/2009 8:21:53 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (If Policy disagreement is RACISM, You are NOT READY to have a MINORITY as President.)
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To: what's up

“If you’re in a neighborhood where people throw bricks from a van it may not be the typical suburbia.”

It’s a very nice neighborhood; people travel into it to cause trouble.

Our attacks are fairly predictable; some problem in the ME happenens -— arabs come to the Jewish neighborhood and throw things at Jewish kids -— or it’s ramadan -— arabs watch kill-the-Jew movies, then come and throw rocks at Jewish kids.


64 posted on 09/14/2009 8:22:33 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We live in a small town that used to have the school on the main drag...but have since relocated the school in a field behind the old school. Now there are no sidewalks for the kids to walk on...(they were supposed to be part of the whole new school package)...my daughter started kindergarten when they moved into the new building and this year she will be graduating....still no sidewalks and she has had to ride a bus everyday of her school life...even the kids who live next door to the school....no sidewalks...no walking.


65 posted on 09/14/2009 8:23:53 AM PDT by leenie312
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To: Arec Barrwin
It's sad because they are now in danger of being kidnapped, raped and murdered. If they do walk to school it should be in groups. I don't even let my 14 year old walk down the block to the bus stop alone. I am afraid. I live in a rural development in NE PA and I have fear.
66 posted on 09/14/2009 8:27:21 AM PDT by angcat ("I want to thank the Good Lord for making me a Yankee.")
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To: dfwgator

You had dirt? ...magritte


67 posted on 09/14/2009 8:27:56 AM PDT by magritte ("I will give this monkey for lunch to Mr Sata,")
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To: what's up
There's no doubt that society has coarsened overall. But statistics show that the facts often don't bear out the fears; on many of these issues the MSM has brain-washed the public.

The reverse could also be said: that 30 years ago, society was woefully naive about the danger their children faced.

68 posted on 09/14/2009 8:28:41 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
BTW, according the NCIC, approximately 750,000 the disappearance of a child was serious enough that a parent called the police, the police took a report, and the police entered that report into NCIC (in 2001).

Well, that would coincide with irrational fears. When fear spikes, so do calls to the police.

When I say "irrational" I mean fears caused by the MSM 24/7 news cycle...not fears which are valid. The horror of a genuine kidnapping is hellish. But as with everything else that the MSM touches (witness global warming and the irrational fears the MSM has hoaxed us with) the fears people have over their children are likely over the top.

The only way to tell if the 115 figure is correct is to research it which I don't have the time or inclination to do. But if it is correct, the fears people have over their kids being kidnapped are wildly irrational.

69 posted on 09/14/2009 8:28:42 AM PDT by what's up
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To: gwilhelm56

Excuse me, I didn’t attack you and you are being childish. All I asked was if you had children - I don’t know you from Adam.


70 posted on 09/14/2009 8:29:08 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: Arec Barrwin

a block and a half?

something not right with this story


71 posted on 09/14/2009 8:29:33 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: what's up
115 out of 300 million is a speck.

And how many were kidnapped while walking to school? We're probably talking in the neighborhood of a dozen, if that.

I've noticed this even in my small IL town. We homeschool and live across the street from the local elementary school. The drives there are crammed with parents picking up and dropping off their kids at the start and end of school, despite a good chunk of the town being within easy walking distance of the school.

I remember walking .6 miles just to get to the bus stop when I was growing up. In sub-zero (F) Michigan weather sometimes. And sometimes I'd walk/jog home 4 miles from school after track/CC practice w. books and all. We wonder why kids are getting obese?

72 posted on 09/14/2009 8:30:20 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Jewbacca
arabs come to the Jewish neighborhood and throw things at Jewish kids -— or it’s ramadan -— arabs watch kill-the-Jew movies, then come and throw rocks at Jewish kids

And you call that a very nice neighborhood?

73 posted on 09/14/2009 8:30:47 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Arec Barrwin

This mother is an utter freak!


74 posted on 09/14/2009 8:32:04 AM PDT by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: Liberty1970

Wake up. It’s 2009. If you are happy having your child be one of that insignificant “speck” that get grabbed, hey, more power to you. But you are a fool.


75 posted on 09/14/2009 8:33:58 AM PDT by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: seanrobins

You must have missed the bit about us being homeschoolers. ;-)


76 posted on 09/14/2009 8:35:16 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: swain_forkbeard
Through 4 feet of snow, 6 miles, 1 pair of shoes for three kids...uphill in both directions.

With a baked potato to keep your hands warm! But only on the way TO school, because that was lunch.

77 posted on 09/14/2009 8:35:50 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: ClearCase_guy
Now, I know times are different, and I know cities are different, but in these times of tight budgets, are they really having school buses take kids "a block and a half"????

Yes, they are. Two years ago, we were living in NJ, 4 houses away from my son's school. He was in 1st grade at the time. We received a notice before the school year started advising us of his bus stop assignment and letting us know we could opt out and let him walk. The stupidest part about it was that the bus stop was 4 houses away in the opposite direction and adjacent to the busy cross street. They didn't seem to have a problem letting him walk to and from that bus stop.

I always walked him to the corner and watched, from a distance, as he walked to the door of the school. They insisted that I accompany him all the way, but I refused. In the afternoon, however, they would not release him unless somebody was there to pick him up at the door.

78 posted on 09/14/2009 8:37:36 AM PDT by grady ("Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading." - Unknown)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Different world. In the 50s we walked to grade school and back. It was over a mile each way. None of us were ever abducted or harmed in any way. Rain, snow, or shine.


79 posted on 09/14/2009 8:38:56 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Arec Barrwin
Child abductions are quite rare. Your kid is MUCH more likely to be hurt in a car accident riding with you than they are to be abducted while they walk to school.

Abductions make HUGE news stories, precisely because they are RARE. Car accidents, on the other hand, are just barely news at all because they're so common.

Let your kids walk to school. If you're still afraid for them, have them walk with friends.

80 posted on 09/14/2009 8:39:57 AM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possibility of failure.)
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To: what's up
The only way to tell if the 115 figure is correct is to research it which I don't have the time or inclination to do. But if it is correct, the fears people have over their kids being kidnapped are wildly irrational.

I'm not disputing the fact that parents' concerns are not proportional to the real risk.

But what exactly are the great benefits of letting your children roam free unprotected? I can see the benefits of my childhood, in theory, being able to get on my bike, ride for miles, being out from under adult supervision for hours at a time, but those theoretical benefits pale when stacked up against being abducted/raped/murdered.

81 posted on 09/14/2009 8:40:19 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
are they really having school buses take kids "a block and a half"????

In our county, yes. Too many of our communities have no sidewalks and the schools are often on busy streets. The school board decided years ago to transport all students, even those who live less than 1/2 mile away

82 posted on 09/14/2009 8:40:55 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: silverleaf
a block and a half? something not right with this story

I believe it, based on firsthand experience. See post #78.

83 posted on 09/14/2009 8:41:04 AM PDT by grady ("Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading." - Unknown)
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To: swain_forkbeard

We must have gone to the same school :>)


84 posted on 09/14/2009 8:41:14 AM PDT by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: KosmicKitty

I agree with everything in your post. Kids were abducted and murdered even when I was a kid (back in the dark ages). The difference was, you only heard about the stuff locally, because there was no internet and only the nightly news. I understand about parents being concerned for their kids, but are we scaring them to death?

Teach them how to deal with strangers (stay away from them, don’t talk to them), have them walk in groups and on routes that are not out of the way.

You cannot protect your child from every danger. Better to teach them how to stay as safe as possible. And for younger kids I would recommend walking with them until you feel confident that they can do it without you.


85 posted on 09/14/2009 8:41:55 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
that 30 years ago, society was woefully naive about the danger their children faced

What's better...a society where parents are naive and kids are confident or a society informed 24/7 by the MSM news cycle and kids are insecure.

86 posted on 09/14/2009 8:41:59 AM PDT by what's up
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

“Homeschooling advantage #795.”

Homeschooling advantage # 17,950.

Fixed it.


87 posted on 09/14/2009 8:42:38 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: dfwgator

You had dirt? Lucky!


88 posted on 09/14/2009 8:42:47 AM PDT by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: Pessimist
Why is it Ok for your kid to play in the front yard without you at his side, but it’s not Ok for him to stand there waiting for a bus without you at his side?

I would bet most parents are watching them play in the front yard. I know my neighbors do, and we live in a safe neighborhood.

89 posted on 09/14/2009 8:43:06 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: gwilhelm56
Geez ... I walked to school Every day from KINDERGARTEN til 7th Grade

Good for you. So did I, and my siblings, in New York City, no less. By the time my kids were ready for school, in a much safer place than NYC, it was too far to walk, too expensive for the (private school) bus (since the public schools were and are so inferior), and too damn dangerous.

Celebrate bravery all you want, but when it comes to kids, parents are all they've got between them and the world as it is, not how we wish it could be.

90 posted on 09/14/2009 8:43:15 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: ClearCase_guy
When I was a kid, I had to live 2 miles from the school in order to be allowed on the bus. I couldn't take the bus. My neighbor could, because he lived that much further away (about 100 feet).

I had the same problem. One more block, and I could have ridden the bus. At least I could ride my bike to school, but some of those cold mornings were miserable.

91 posted on 09/14/2009 8:44:38 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Obama = Jim Jones coercing us into suicide on a national scale)
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To: what's up

It is a nice neighborhood. Unless we can wall out people who don’t belong (and drive miles to find us), there is little to be done.


92 posted on 09/14/2009 8:45:37 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I remember back in High School, when I could not get my Dad’s car to drive, I hoofed it 20 blocks each direction.

Far as I know, it didn’t kill me.


93 posted on 09/14/2009 8:46:14 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Welcome to the Revolution.)
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To: pepperdog

As others have already posted here, the problem is not so much that there are more perverts than there used to be. The much bigger problem is that TV news used to be just 30 minutes a day.


94 posted on 09/14/2009 8:48:02 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: TChris

Getting struck by lightening is rare too, but I wouldn’t purposely stand out in the middle of a storm.


95 posted on 09/14/2009 8:48:45 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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To: what's up
What's better...a society where parents are naive and kids are confident or a society informed 24/7 by the MSM news cycle and kids are insecure.

I would go with a society in which my children are alive, healthy, and with me. And one in which I am not destroyed by grief.

As for children being insecure, I don't really see that.

That being said, this is really a moot point for me, as my children go to private school, and ride with their mother, who works there. Even the public school they would attend is too far to walk to, and even if it were close enough, the road they would use is not suitable for pedestrian traffic.

96 posted on 09/14/2009 8:50:45 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: kidd

Sometimes my kids did take the bus (we were in a school system that was under court order to desegregate and the way they did it was bus the kids to various elementary schools i the cluster starting at 4th grade—it was way too far to walk, and so sometimes I drove them, but that’s difficult when all 3 go to different schools in different parts of town) and sometimes I let them walk to the home school and take the bus to their cluster school).

All this to say is that, for the most part, they HATED riding the bus. They would have rather walked.


97 posted on 09/14/2009 8:52:54 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

‘Cause its three miles one way with no sidewalks along a heavily traveled state highways that have to be crossed at some point?


98 posted on 09/14/2009 8:53:34 AM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: brytlea
You cannot protect your child from every danger.

LOL, but you can prevent them from wandering around unattended.

99 posted on 09/14/2009 8:54:17 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I agree - and it isn't just being abducted or raped that is the issue. Kids are mean these days. Parents make excuses for their little darlings - they laugh at bully situations as long as their children come out on top. There are many ways kids are harrassed on the way to and from school, even inside a school bus.

We homeschooled - but even when my kids were "roaming" the small neighborhood, a large group of our neighborhood moms had eyes on the kids and phones ready to report any potential problems to each other. I loved that neighborhood - it was like the 60's in some aspects with a Mom telling agitated kids to go home and tell their Mom's what had happened. Gotta love that kind of connection with other moms!

100 posted on 09/14/2009 8:55:33 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Kanye West hates white people)
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