Posted on 09/15/2009 12:50:19 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
This past May, a fossil nicknamed Ida was loudly heralded by the evolutionary scientific community as the long-sought-after “missing link” that supposedly proved ape-to-human evolution. Directly following the unveiling, ICR News reported reasons why Ida, in fact, linked nothing, being merely an extinct variety of lemur.[1]
ICR News also predicted what has now occurred with Ida’s popularity campaign, stating, “After further study, however, this claim will be quietly rescinded.”[2] Ida has been surreptitiously...
(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...
This little creature is going to show us our connection with the rest of all the mammals; with cows and sheep, and elephants and anteaters,” said Sir David Attenborough who is narrating a BBC documentary on the find. “The more you look at Ida, the more you can see, as it were, the primate in embryo.”
“This will be the one pictured in the textbooks for the next hundred years,” said Dr Jørn Hurum, the palaeontologist from Oslo University's Natural History Museum who assembled the scientific team to study the fossil. “It tells a part of our evolution that's been hidden so far. It's been hidden because the only [other] specimens are so incomplete and so broken there's nothing almost to study.”
(From the Guardian May 19, 2009 James Randerson)
And this:
“Of particular importance to phylogenetic studies, the absence of a toilet claw and a toothcomb demonstrates that Darwinius masillae is not simply a fossil lemur, but part of a larger group of primates, Adapoidea, representative of the early haplorhine diversification.”
Jens L. Franzen1,2, Philip D. Gingerich3, Jörg Habersetzer1, Jørn H. Hurum4*, Wighart von Koenigswald5, B. Holly Smith6
(From Plos-one)
“our connection” “our evolution” “haplorhine” (apes, monkeys, tarsiers)
Ida wasn't hailed as a “missing link”? Not proving? Really?
Whenever the scientific community blows it, as in this case, and creationists point out that they didn’t believe it to begin with, as also with the Piltdown Man, the typical evo knee jerk reaction is to point out that scientists were the ones to disprove the fossil (or whatever), something that evos then go on to say no creationist would be capable of doing because they don’t possess adequate scientific skills to do so.
So instead of the scientific community looking like fools, again, for jumping the gun, they are portrayed as the heroes for demonstrating that the fossil was not genuine, quite ignoring the fact that it was the scientific community that labeled the thing wrong in the first place.
The scientific community has egg on its face, again, for doing what it has a tendency to do, again, and no amount of trumpeting that scientists finally corrected the misinterpretation of the fossil is going to change the fact that creationists didn’t believe that it was going to “prove” what the scientific community wanted it to prove and that scientists mislabeled, again.
Creationists maybe don’t have what scientists consider a *scientific* reason for their conclusions, but they were proved right, again.
Creationists simply don’t believe that archaeologists are ever going to find that missing link that evos are sure exists because we don’t believe that man evolved because the Bible states that man was created. Evos may not like our reason, but until they can produce those fossils they’re looking for, it puts creationists in the position of being correct.
Interesting, is it not GGG, that whenever evos end up having to eat their words because they blew it, it becomes a *creationist lie*?
Just like when it was taught in schools across the country that most mutations are harmful and it's repeated later, it's labeled a *creationist lie*.
Seems that most things labeled *creationist lie*, had their origin in what was once *scientific truth*.
amd, you'd gain a whole lot more respect and credibility if you'd quit denying what is patently obvious to everyone else. Your continual defending of stuff like this, makes it hard to take you seriously.
Watching you twist and squirm and do ANYTHING rather than admit a creationist was or is right about something scientific is amusing, and pathetic.
I can imagine it's hard to admit that someone else is right, especially when you don't approve of their reasons for being right, but it would be so much easier on you, and the rest of the evos, to learn to do that.
“The scientists at ICR not only predicted the Evos made a HUGE mistake...”
—What mistake? No one in the science community was saying it was an ape-man intermediate. I did see a news story or two saying that, but that was because of an idiot in the media who didn’t understand what scientists were saying - no scientists were actually saying such a thing.
As for whether it’s a lemur/monkey (pro-simian/simian) link, that’s still being debated.
“they also predicted how the Evos would handle it (by sweeping it under the rug). In other words, ICR nailed it!”
—Swept under the rug how? Because it’s not in the news as much anymore? I predict that Patrick Swayze’s death will be swept under the rug - several months from now you’ll barely hear a thing about it.
Did you get as far as posts 15, 18, and 41 yet?
‘Hailed as link between humans and apes, it is really a lemur’ is an absolute lie.
This was not EVER represented by a credible scientist as a link between apes and humans. It is no more a link between apes and humans than my great great great great grandfather is a link between my grandfather and me.
Do you realize how stupid one must be to represent what was thought to be a link between lemurs and monkeys as if it were thought to be a link between apes and humans?
Creationist level stupidity.
It was represented as a “missing link”, but between lemurs and monkeys - NOT between apes and humans. And I also never saw anyone in those quotes claiming that this was “proof” of anything.
My great great great great great grandfather is not a “missing link” between my grandfather and me and it is a ridiculous lie to suggest so.
A lemur as the missing link?
That seems bit of stretch.
“MISSING LINK” FOUND: New Fossil Links Humans, Lemurs?
This is the first link to all humans,” Hurum, of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway, said in a statement. Ida represents “the closest thing we can get to a direct ancestor.”
May 19, 2009—Meet “Ida,” the small “missing link” found in Germany that's created a big media splash and will likely continue to make waves among those who ...
news.nationalgeographic.com/.../090519-missing-link-found.html -
What is ridiculous is your misreading, deliberate or otherwise, of a rather simple paragraph.
Creation and Scientist are mutually exclusive conditions, generally.
This is as ridiculous as claiming a transition between an amphibian and a reptile “proves” that birds evolved from dinosaurs. It is impossible for it to even address the issue, let alone “prove” anything.
Evidence that my great great great grandfather was the father of my great great grandfather cannot possibly address the issue of how I descended from my father, let alone “prove” that such was the case.
crevo==not civil.
What makes you think the fossil is "not genuine"? I see you've dragged out Piltdown Man again (can you let the poor guy rest? he's been acknowledged to be a hoax time and time again)--what relevance do you think that has to Ida? Is the rule that if scientists were ever wrong about anything, you're entitled to conclude they're wrong about everything--or at least whatever you want them to be wrong about?
Creationists simply don’t believe that archaeologists are ever going to find that missing link that evos are sure exists
What missing link is that? What do you think they're looking for?
What do you think Ida is, anyway?
“This past May, a fossil nicknamed Ida was loudly heralded by the evolutionary scientific community as the long-sought-after “missing link” that supposedly proved ape-to-human evolution.”
This what Hurum said:
“This is the first link to all humans,” Hurum, of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway, said in a statement. Ida represents “the closest thing we can get to a direct ancestor.”
Presumably Hurum sees Ida as part of evidence of evolution. As the Plosone reference showed that Human co-authored:
“Of particular importance to phylogenetic studies, the absence of a toilet claw and a toothcomb demonstrates that Darwinius masillae is not simply a fossil lemur, but part of a larger group of primates, Adapoidea, representative 1of the early haplorhine diversification.”
Your grandfather analogy doesn't fit.
Hurum is an idiot if quoted accurately as the closest thing we can get to a direct ancestor of all humans is an early human, then there are archaic hominids; even australopithocines are a closer direct ancestor to all humans than a transitional between a lemur and a monkey.
Either way, a transitional between a monkey and a lemur can provide NO specific evidence to support the transition from even monkey to ape, let alone ape to human (which is even further down the line).
Thus the “heralded by the (sic) scientific community as the long sought after “missing link” that supposedly proved ape-to-human evolution” is a LIE.
Some morons must like being lied to. The target audience for this piece of propaganda.
“Did you get as far as posts 15, 18, and 41 yet?”
Yes, none of those are saying that it has any relevance to the transition from apes to man, like say, Australopithecines or Homo erectus. They’re talking about it being a link between lemurs and monkeys, on the road to the simians.
Now I wonder...
Are our FR-Creationists too dense to actually grasp this salient point, or are they so used to dogmatically accepting lies and ignorance that they refuse to even question the accuracy of anything that agrees with their anti-science premise?
I admit that in post 16.
There is no point. There are no transitions. They are all individually created species, and there is no honest basis for attempting to twist a single one of them into a transition.
Every time an uncatalogued species is found the evoliarists declare it to be a transitional form, without a shred of evidence. This is definitively Anti-Science. Each species is just more proof that evoliarism is bunk.
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