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HOUSE RULES BAN 'LIAR', 'HYPOCRITE', 'INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST'
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Posted on 09/15/2009 1:27:21 PM PDT by kcvl

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1 posted on 09/15/2009 1:27:22 PM PDT by kcvl
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House guidelines for Presidential put-downs

House Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-NY) has released a helpful, updated primer for members regarding their conduct on the floor and in committees.

Especially useful: The section on how to properly insult the executive branch in the in the chamber.

“Disgrace” and “nitwits” — okay.

“Liar” or “sexual misconduct” — ixnay.

Under section 370 of the House Rules and Manual it has been held that a Member could:

• refer to the government as “something hated, something oppressive.”
• refer to the President as “using legislative or judicial pork.”
• refer to a Presidential message as a “disgrace to the country.”
• refer to unnamed officials as “our half-baked nitwits handling foreign affairs.”

Likewise, it has been held that a member could not:

• call the President a “liar.”
• call the President a “hypocrite.”
• describe the President’s veto of a bill as “cowardly.”
• charge that the President has been “intellectually dishonest.”
• refer to the President as “giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”
• refer to alleged “sexual misconduct on the President’s part.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0909/House_guidelines_for_Presidential_putdowns.html


2 posted on 09/15/2009 1:28:11 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

How about “behaved stupidly?”


3 posted on 09/15/2009 1:28:13 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Faith

Read the comments at the end of the article on Politico.

There are some po’d people!


4 posted on 09/15/2009 1:28:50 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech. That applies to congress itself I believe.


5 posted on 09/15/2009 1:29:02 PM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: kcvl

I wonder if “Manchurian” or “ineligible” is banned.


6 posted on 09/15/2009 1:29:23 PM PDT by poindexters brother
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To: kcvl

Nine years to late. The called Bush a liar eveyday for nearly eight years, among other things.


7 posted on 09/15/2009 1:29:58 PM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking"..J.C. Watts)
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To: kcvl

Can this be retroactive? Like calling in Hillary and the rest of the Rats?


8 posted on 09/15/2009 1:29:58 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: kcvl

If they are going to ban liars and hypocrites, there will be nary a Democrat left in the House!


9 posted on 09/15/2009 1:30:00 PM PDT by anonsquared (DEFUND HUD!)
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To: kcvl

Can you refer to him as “a socialist”?


10 posted on 09/15/2009 1:30:02 PM PDT by spinestein (The answer is 42.)
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To: kcvl

how about saying the President “needs to release his records”?


11 posted on 09/15/2009 1:30:03 PM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: kcvl

is this a joke...


12 posted on 09/15/2009 1:30:22 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: kcvl

Is this satire? This cannot be real.


13 posted on 09/15/2009 1:30:23 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON!!!")
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To: kcvl

Wilson said “You lie,” not “liar.” So I guess he’s in the clear. I guess House rules don’t allow “Liar, Hypocrite and Intellectually Dishonest” because it all hits too close to home.


14 posted on 09/15/2009 1:30:49 PM PDT by MissesBush
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To: kcvl

So how do we bring sedition charges against Obummer
if it is illegal to make truthful accusations?

Likewise, it has been held that a member could not:

• call the President a “liar.”
• call the President a “hypocrite.”
• describe the President’s veto of a bill as “cowardly.”
• charge that the President has been “intellectually dishonest.”
• refer to the President as “giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”
• refer to alleged “sexual misconduct on the President’s part.”


15 posted on 09/15/2009 1:30:57 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: kcvl

Well... Those rules only apply to some people. Calling Bush a liar was perfectly acceptable. /sarcasm


16 posted on 09/15/2009 1:31:31 PM PDT by SaveTheChief (Obama lied, America died.)
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To: kcvl

Banning the nouns would be good. They ban they adjectives so the nouns can’t be portrayed honestly.


17 posted on 09/15/2009 1:31:58 PM PDT by allmost
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To: kcvl

How ‘bout jackass?


18 posted on 09/15/2009 1:32:03 PM PDT by ReeseBN38416
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To: kcvl

Too late. CENSURE Harry Reid:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7371967/the_gunslinger/

The Gunslinger
Sen. Harry Reid is leading the charge against the GOP
ERIC BATESPosted Jun 02, 2005 12:00 AM

RS: You’ve called Bush a loser.

Harry Reid(D): And a liar.

RS: You apologized for the loser comment.

Harry Reid(D): But never for the liar, have I?


19 posted on 09/15/2009 1:32:28 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Faith

Wilson should take the floor and call all the Dems including Obama out as “a disgrace to the country”


20 posted on 09/15/2009 1:33:05 PM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: Mr. Jazzy; dalebert

No joke...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0909/House_guidelines_for_Presidential_putdowns.html

House guidelines for Presidential put-downs

House Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-NY) has released a helpful, updated primer for members regarding their conduct on the floor and in committees.

Especially useful: The section on how to properly insult the executive branch in the in the chamber.

“Disgrace” and “nitwits” — okay.

“Liar” or “sexual misconduct” — ixnay.

Under section 370 of the House Rules and Manual it has been held that a Member could:

• refer to the government as “something hated, something oppressive.”
• refer to the President as “using legislative or judicial pork.”
• refer to a Presidential message as a “disgrace to the country.”
• refer to unnamed officials as “our half-baked nitwits handling foreign affairs.”

Likewise, it has been held that a member could not:

• call the President a “liar.”
• call the President a “hypocrite.”
• describe the President’s veto of a bill as “cowardly.”
• charge that the President has been “intellectually dishonest.”
• refer to the President as “giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”
• refer to alleged “sexual misconduct on the President’s part.”

******

While Rome burns!


21 posted on 09/15/2009 1:33:09 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Too bad the rules don’t ban liars, hypocrites and the intellectually dishonest instead.


22 posted on 09/15/2009 1:33:22 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: kcvl

“I don’t think there’s anybody back there.”


23 posted on 09/15/2009 1:33:51 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: SaveTheChief
Poster from the President's own minister of propaganda, Shepard Fairey:


24 posted on 09/15/2009 1:35:14 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: kcvl

How about when Hillary, said that line about the willing suspension of disbelief, when screeching at Gen. Petraus. That was calling him a liar there in the Senate. The libtards are sick.


25 posted on 09/15/2009 1:36:18 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: kcvl
refer to alleged “sexual misconduct on the President’s part.”

Commonly referred to the Monica clause.

26 posted on 09/15/2009 1:36:25 PM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Obama)
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“What... is the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow?”

http://www.armory.com/swallow.html


27 posted on 09/15/2009 1:36:25 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Seruzawa
Too bad the rules don’t ban liars, hypocrites and the intellectually dishonest instead.

Exactly! Then there would be no need to BAN WORDS!

28 posted on 09/15/2009 1:37:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Faith

they are all out of order


29 posted on 09/15/2009 1:37:36 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: a fool in paradise

Ya know, in that letter, if it’s authentic, Obama says the art if effective “on a stop sign”.

He’s therefore on record supporting vandalizing public property.


30 posted on 09/15/2009 1:37:50 PM PDT by Uncledave
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To: Seruzawa
Too bad the rules don't ban liars, hypocrites and the intellectually dishonest instead.

LOL -- the halls of Congress would be empty.

31 posted on 09/15/2009 1:38:30 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: kcvl

OK. What if I just think those words? Now what are you libs going to do?


32 posted on 09/15/2009 1:38:52 PM PDT by Faith
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To: kcvl
The president called members of Congress "liars" just before Joe Wilson remarked that Obama lied:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/09/politics/main5299229_page2.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost. The best example is the claim made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but by prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Now, such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple. (Applause.)

There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms -- the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.

AUDIENCE MEMBER: You lie!

The double standard can not be permitted to stand.

33 posted on 09/15/2009 1:39:11 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: shankbear
The libtards are sick.

Yes, and the next election can't come too soon. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have lost their damn minds (that is if they ever had any). That just proves that Botox is harmful to your brain. We need an FDA warning.

34 posted on 09/15/2009 1:39:29 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
Hey Rats go to Hell with your toy rules after you made a cottage industry of being stupid during speeches.
35 posted on 09/15/2009 1:40:20 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Uncledave
It is an authentic signed letter thanking the artist behind the HOPE and CHANGE posters which were wheatpasted early in the 2008 campaign with FULL KNOWLEDGE that they would be illegally posted on public property (which is where I saw them).


36 posted on 09/15/2009 1:40:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: a fool in paradise

bump


37 posted on 09/15/2009 1:41:37 PM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Likewise, it has been held that a member could not:
• refer to the President as “giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”

Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, and Momar Gaddafi all cheered the election of Barack Obama.

38 posted on 09/15/2009 1:43:14 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: kcvl

Only in the Clown Universe, is First Amendment speaking of facts and truth not allowed; Public representatives are nothing more than whiney little bitches unable to discern common sense. Let along, standing in between sneaks, cheats and liars to protect the American public, as their duty and oath of office requires.


39 posted on 09/15/2009 1:44:40 PM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: kcvl

But the question is, can you call him a liar when he is lying? It seems to me that that would merely be a statement of fact.

And he WAS lying.


40 posted on 09/15/2009 1:44:57 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: kcvl
Likewise, it has been held that a member could not:
• call the President a “liar.”

I thought that self-defense was always allowed.

At the risk of sounding like a fourth grader: 0bama started it.

41 posted on 09/15/2009 1:45:13 PM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: poindexters brother
I wonder if “Manchurian” or “ineligible” is banned.

I'm almost positive "Sedition" and "Treason" are...

42 posted on 09/15/2009 1:45:18 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: kcvl

43 posted on 09/15/2009 1:45:33 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Faith

Apparently House rules prohibit telling the truth. Now THERE’S a shock!


44 posted on 09/15/2009 1:47:27 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: kcvl

Gee I wonder who inspired the sexual misconduct language.


45 posted on 09/15/2009 1:48:32 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: kcvl
Well then, le's give this a try:

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"


46 posted on 09/15/2009 1:50:22 PM PDT by 444Flyer ( "Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers."--Mignon McLaughlin)
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To: kcvl

Republicans should attach a reprimand for Pete Stark for what he said about Bush on the House floor. (He was never punished).

See if Democrats believe what they say.


47 posted on 09/15/2009 1:51:06 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (A woman will be the next President; I hope it's Palin instead of HRC.)
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To: kcvl

Why come up with these guidelines now?


48 posted on 09/15/2009 1:51:06 PM PDT by henkster (The frog has noticed the increase in water temperature)
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To: kcvl
The House generally requires its members to abstain from personal insults during debate. Over the years, the institution has developed a long list of precedents deemed out of order, including insults directed at the president.

Some are downright odd: You can't call the president “a little bugger” or refer to any alleged sexual misconduct, for example. Others are more predictable: Don't call the president a liar or accuse him of lying.

Democrats initially cited the latter precedent in saying that Wilson's outburst was a violation.

But Congress was meeting in a special joint session for Obama’s speech on Wednesday, not under the House's normal rules of debate.

“It doesn't violate House rules because the House wasn't in (normal) session,” said Donald Wolfensberger, director of the Congress Project at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington.

Wolfensberger noted that under regular rules, House lawmakers wouldn't be allowed to stand and cheer as they frequently do at presidential speeches before Congress.

House Parliamentarian John Sullivan agreed that the House's rules on debate probably don't apply to the incident. But he and others said the House has wide latitude in interpreting its general code of conduct that says “a lawmaker shall conduct himself at all times in a manner which shall reflect creditably on the House of Representatives.”

A lawmaker doesn't have to violate a specific rule to get scolded.

from msnbc.com

49 posted on 09/15/2009 1:52:10 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

50 posted on 09/15/2009 1:53:10 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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