Skip to comments.Joe Wilsonís Victory on Illegal Immigration
Posted on 09/16/2009 9:38:55 AM PDT by IbJensen
Democrats are still not satisfied with my former colleague Joe Wilsons apology after he shouted You lie! when Obama claimed in his address to Congress that There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.
Last night, they disciplined him with a formal resolution of disapproval for his violation of what Nancy Pelosis spokesman calls the House rules of decorum.
Whether or not he breached House decorum, Joes actions were both true and effective. Obama admitted as much by proposing changes to the bill to limit illegal aliens access to Obamacare. Joes apology is enough, but Obamas concessions are not.
When Obama made his speech, there were a number of glaring and intentional loopholes to the Democrats pretend ban of illegal aliens in the House healthcare bill HR 3200.
Virtually every single means tested government program requires that applicants are screened by the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements [SAVE] program to ensure that they are not illegal aliens.
But this provision is not included in HR 3200. This is not an oversight. Republicans twice introduced Amendments to require the SAVE program be implemented, and it was voted down by the same Democrats who hypocritically added the clause that ostensibly barred illegals.
Furthermore, the bill does not say anything about illegal aliens not being able to participate in the taxpayer subsidized Health Insurance Exchange program. The Congressional Research Service reported that it does not contain any restrictions on non-citizens -- whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently -- participating in the Exchange
Conservatives tried to bring these facts to the forefront of the healthcare debate, but the media and the Democrats simply ignored them or repeated their lie that illegal aliens would not receive government funded healthcare.
But Joe Wilson forced them to face the facts. On Friday night, Obama announced that he wanted to use the SAVE program and bar illegals from the Health Insurance Exchange.
This does not mean Obama was telling the truth when Joe called him a liar. On the contrary, it is an admission that before Joe called out Obama illegals were eligible.
Assuming the House follows through with Obamas newly proposed changes, there are still more loopholes.
As the open borders lobby never fails to remind us, many illegal aliens have family members who are here legally. Often, they are anchor babies born to illegal aliens on U.S. soil. There is nothing in to keep them from getting healthcare. The Congressional Research Service issued a report noting,
There could be instances where some family members would meet the definition of an eligible individual for purposes of the credit, while other family members would not H.R. 3200 does not expressly address how such a situation would be treated. Therefore, it appears that the Health Choices Commissioner would be responsible for determining how the credits would be administered in the case of mixed-status families.
It doesnt take a clairvoyant to guess where Obamas handpicked bureaucrats will come down on this issue.
But even if all the loopholes are closed, they will be meaningless if amnesty is given to illegal aliens. If passed, Obamacare will not go in effect until 2013. Obama wants to pass amnesty in the beginning of 2010. He told Katie Couric he wanted to create a situation where we're dealing with illegal immigration, so that we don't have illegal immigrants. And we've got legal residents or citizens who are eligible for the plan. And I want a comprehensive immigration plan that creates a pathway to achieve that.
So if he gets his way, prohibitions against giving healthcare to illegal aliens will be meaningless because they wont be illegal aliens anymore.
Illegal immigration already costs billions to our system. The Federation for American Immigration Reform recently released a report that the cost of reimbursing hospitals for care of illegal aliens alone costs 10.5 billion dollars a year. Another study by the Center for Immigration Studies estimated the cost of including illegals in Obamacare at 30.5 billion dollars.
Turning illegal aliens into legal residents does not change these costs.
The American people are overwhelmingly on our side. According to the latest Rassmussen Poll, 83% of American voters believe that applicants for government-subsidized healthcare should be required to show proof of U.S. Citizenship.
This is why the open borders lobby is effective only when they hide their real agenda. In July, Roll Call interviewed an anonymous Congressman from the Congressional Hispanic Caucus,
Asked if [CHC] leaders will ask Pelosi to specifically spell something out in the bill to address illegal immigrants, the Member said no. Rather, the Member said the CHC simply wants to make sure the bill -- as drafted -- doesnt prohibit illegal immigrants from accessing care.
They do not tell the American people what they really want because they know the American people are against them. Like roaches, they will run for cover if you shine a little light on them. Joe did exactly that.
We will see when the final bill is passed , if Wilson won.
My bet is when the bill is passed illegals will have health care.
Those who’ve been wringing their hands at Wilson’s “incivility” in the House chamber need to explain why we shouldn’t be grateful to him for actually getting results.
Looks like Mr. Wilson hit a nerve.
Good for him.
It ain’t over till the Fat Lady sings in front of the Mariachi Band. If the illegal advocate community ain’t screaming, then the fix is in...
Great article from Tancredo....too bad some on here, and many of the Fox News types...trashed him for being pro-American/anti-illegal
And Tancredo is right....what Wilson did was basically expose the pro-illegal/anti-American Obama, Democrats, and HR 3200....it blew the cover off more thna anything else has. Note that the vote against Wilson was done while FAIR is having their “Feet to the Fire” pro-American rallies the next few days
Amazing, still, that Tancredo is writing for Human Events. Unless the neo-Con/nearly-Com Jed Babbin got canned as editor....surprised that Babbin would have Tancredo writing for HE. Babbin ran off Jerome Corsi from HE for exposing Bush’s North American Union nonsense...babbin is no real conservative, and moved HE so much further left
You're right. Of course tax-paying Americans probably won't.
My bet is when the bill is passed illegals will have health care.
You’re right. Of course tax-paying Americans probably won’t.
Perhaps, we won’t be tax-paying Americans anymore!!!
“Decorum” is a pretty superficial concern when the President and Congress are tearing up the Constitution and destroying the American economy.
Lets get a value system that works here.
“Joe dared shout ‘liar’ in an assembly full of them. “
Uh-huh. The liars are censuring Joe’s “decorum”. HA!