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FoxNews - T.R. Ried just blew the American Health Care System Away

Posted on 09/17/2009 4:52:23 AM PDT by Scythian

Boy did he destroy the myth's of the American health care system and the cries that all other countries have socialized medicine. What a sham, governments of other nations are covering everybody via private health care, in fact, most do, the myth of socialized medicine is largely that, a myth. It was a very in depth interview.

It was a real eye opener, what you think about Germany, France and so on and other western nations and their health care might actually suprise you. I hope others were able to see that interview.


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1 posted on 09/17/2009 4:52:23 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Good interview. I hope the video is up soon.


2 posted on 09/17/2009 4:54:57 AM PDT by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't 't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: Scythian

Where? F&F east coast?


3 posted on 09/17/2009 4:55:24 AM PDT by This_far (Mandatory health insurance? I thought it was about health care!)
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To: Scythian

I smell a rat. He provided a glowing endorsement of government regulation and seemed to play class warfare politics.


4 posted on 09/17/2009 4:55:52 AM PDT by discomatic
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To: Scythian
-- the myth of socialized medicine is largely that, a myth. --

Literally EVERY subject of public policy covered by the politicians and press is substantively mis-represented to the public.

In the wake of 9/11/01, the Feds said that the only way to get professional-grade security is to federalize, and voila, TSA. Stupid decision, and obviously so at the time it was made. So too with health care - federalizing any part of it is stupid.

5 posted on 09/17/2009 5:01:14 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Scythian

What I saw of the interview appeared to be an utter joke. They guy RAVED about medical care in every other country BUT the US. When Gretchen asked him why so many others come to the US for care then, he responded, ‘well, ARAB SHEIKS come here but others can’t afford it’!

The guy struck me as a loser libtard.


6 posted on 09/17/2009 5:04:48 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: Scythian
Has he lived in Europe??? I didn't think so. I saw the interview and was very suspicious of his "findings."
7 posted on 09/17/2009 5:06:14 AM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: spacejunkie01

Yeah, the Arab sheiks part had me laughing out loud!


8 posted on 09/17/2009 5:07:00 AM PDT by Miss Didi ( "After all...tomorrow is another day." Scarlett O'Hara, Gone with the Wind)
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To: spacejunkie01
Yes and some of the numbers about cost and management fees were not in line with article i have read.
9 posted on 09/17/2009 5:07:04 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: Scythian
I saw that and am suspicious. Obviously he wants to sell his book and the timing could not be better to sell it, but I keep thinking of Michael Moore.

In the big picture, I hope his book brings some sanity to the health care debate, but my guess is that it will only strengthen public support for obama's and the demonrats' momentum to pass something.

10 posted on 09/17/2009 5:07:09 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Scythian

There seems to be conflicting perceptions of this interview on this thread.


11 posted on 09/17/2009 5:07:09 AM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: Scythian

What? The guy I saw was a proponent of gubmint single payer health care.

Did I miss something?


12 posted on 09/17/2009 5:07:21 AM PDT by nhwingut (The media's love affair with Obama reminds me of a dog humping a telephone pole.)
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To: Scythian

...and by the way, what kind of headline is yours that says this idiot ‘blew away’ the American healthcare system???? Good grief. We’ve got THEE BEST healthcare in the world and that guy had to reluctantly admit that RIGHT BEFORE saying only Arab Sheiks come here for it.


13 posted on 09/17/2009 5:08:38 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: Scythian

WTH, why post a vanity about a Fox nuz program and then provide no links?


14 posted on 09/17/2009 5:09:59 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Scythian

I noticed he mentioned Canada’s long lines, didn’t say anything about the UK either.


15 posted on 09/17/2009 5:10:12 AM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: discomatic

he said everyone gets same care...if so whey do some come here for care


16 posted on 09/17/2009 5:10:55 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Scythian

It’s not about health care...it’s about control. Bottomline.


17 posted on 09/17/2009 5:11:31 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (Change you can believe in...Revolution you must pay for.)
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To: Scythian

Barf Alert?


18 posted on 09/17/2009 5:11:42 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Scythian
I saw the interview, in which he cited quite a few statistics that I'd need to independently verify before I accepted them.

HIs main claim was that "government health care" in other countries was most often comprised of private insurance, private hospitals, and private doctors. His most telling point was that insurance countries here charge 20% overhead costs, whereas in France (for instance) the overhead is 4%.

His other claim was that only in the United States is the healthcare different for the wealthy than the poor. Apparently, in France the President receives the same health care as anyone else - otherwise it would be "immoral".

I'm quite skeptical of his claims, myself. MRI machines and all the other trappings of high-tech medicine cost a lot, everywhere. So does a top-notch medical education.

19 posted on 09/17/2009 5:11:43 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Scythian
I saw the interview.

This is my response ......

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20 posted on 09/17/2009 5:21:26 AM PDT by Jackknife (Chuck Norris grinds his coffee with his teeth, and boils his water with his rage)
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To: discomatic
I don't know what he said on TV, but here is a WaPo article he wrote in late August.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101778.html

21 posted on 09/17/2009 5:24:00 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: spacejunkie01

That one line makes a total fool of him.

If only Arab Sheiks have the money to come here for medical treatment, he is pointing out that they are the wealthiest of the wealthy and that only they can go anywhere they want to go for medical treatment.

Now if they are the wealthiest of the wealthy and can go anywhere in the world they want to go, why do they come here if it is not the very best in the world?

Therefore, it is obvious that we do have the best system in the world other wise they would go to that best place.

So the author is not worth discussing.


22 posted on 09/17/2009 5:24:18 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Scythian

Here’s some text from PBS:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/etc/notebook.html


23 posted on 09/17/2009 5:24:47 AM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: PreciousLiberty
I lived in Germany for 8 years and know a little bit about it. Socialized healthcare is great if you have a cold or a broken leg. The area where it sucks is if you have cancer or some disease that requires expensive treatment, diagnostics, or medicines. That's when you run into shortages and rationing.

The other point about countries like Germany is that the tax rates are much higher there than they are in the US. The Germans pay a federal income tax plus a 15% federal sales tax.

24 posted on 09/17/2009 5:26:43 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Scythian

http://denverdemocrats.net/node/3215

Candidate for State Representative, HD3: T.R. Reid

I firmly believe that health care should be a right, not a privilege, for every American – and I’m convinced Colorado can lead our country toward that goal

**calendar of events at link


25 posted on 09/17/2009 5:27:48 AM PDT by empressword
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Dude, TR Reid is a shill for single payer. You should check out his Frontline special:

http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/Frontline_Sick_Around_the_World/70098734?trkid=1211018

He goes around the world checking out different systems, and anytime he sees something that seems better in the foreign land he blames it on “America’s corporate profit motive.”

Never once does he question anything else about our system, such as how we let doctors limit the number of doctors we train here (that certainly isn’t a corporate profit motive maneuver!). The reason I bring that example up is that there are a couple of the countries he visits where he is amazed that they have almost zero wait time for all medical services, and that feat is clearly directly related to provider numbers and almost nothing else.


26 posted on 09/17/2009 5:30:14 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: krb
TR Reid is a shill for single payer

That is slanderous crap and you know it.

27 posted on 09/17/2009 5:36:16 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

I meant Universal. Watch the Frontline special. He pretends to be doing an unbiased piece, then goes and fills out a Japanese “prayer card” praying for a Universal health care plan as soon as possible.


28 posted on 09/17/2009 5:38:28 AM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Scythian

bookmark


29 posted on 09/17/2009 5:39:34 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Scythian
This might come as news to Mr. Reid....

U.S. Cancer Care Is Number One

30 posted on 09/17/2009 5:40:21 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Scythian
I heard the interview and came away with the feeling he was leaving something out. I agree it is nice to go in to any hospital or doctors office an get service. I like the 5 day turnaround the government mandates to pay a claim. It is also nice that no claim can be denied. It is also nice for the government to force insurance companies to accept an insured.

He just didn't answer how.

For instance, are there government subsidies to offset the losses of insurers due to being forced to offer coverage

For the company to pay all claim and accept all insuerd they must generate enough money to pay claims. That can be from one of 3 places:

The question is where does the money come from? The consumer, the investment market or the government?

31 posted on 09/17/2009 5:40:56 AM PDT by vg0va3 (I don't plan to quit the fight until it is finally over.)
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To: mewzilla
The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care

I think the title of Mr. Ried's book says it all...

32 posted on 09/17/2009 5:42:36 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: BilLies
Excellent article.

One of the problems with the folks on the right is that so many of them never travel out of the country. So, they don't realize that the US has become the second most over bureaucratized underpreforming country in the world. The only country I know of that is worse than ours in this regard is the Soviet Union, and they died for their sins of regulatory excess. Think it is all the fault of government? Hah, try walking into any large corporation and you will see privatized bureaucracy run amok.

It is all part and parcel of our current economic crisis, which we have not fixed, yet. American love getting paid for doing nothing. It is our national industry. Of course you have to wrap it around some service that folks do need, but if you find something they cannot do without, a drug, or a fighter plane, yeah ha, it is open season for useless administrators. We love it.

For every doctor or nurse you see, how many health care administrators and managers do you deal with here? I spend more time trying to get a doctors appointment than I do seeing a doctor.

Health care needs reforming. It is 1/6 of our economy and growing, and no one actually likes it very much.

But the dims are clueless about how to make the required changes to make it truly competitive.

33 posted on 09/17/2009 5:43:37 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: vg0va3
The question is where does the money come from? The consumer, the investment market or the government?

There is a fourth source which stares all Americans in the eye so long we cannot see it. You stop paying for all the middlemen who take an enormous cut and provide nothing for their "service." The United States economy is the most administratively overbloated economy in the world. I know nowhere else in the world where even the most simple transactions are so complicated and convoluted by useless fee takers.

34 posted on 09/17/2009 5:46:18 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: vg0va3

PS think ACORN. They did not invent the scam. They are not even very good at the scam. A lot of well educated folks run the same shakedown and make it look like legitimate business. But they provide nothing for the “service.”


35 posted on 09/17/2009 5:47:41 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Scythian

Lessee - TSA, FEMA, VA, IRS, USPS . . . . . . name me ONE thing that the government does well, efficiently and makes a profit!!

Anyone who thinks that they will receive the SAME level of care available today by private practitioners if the health care system is nationalized is delusional. We may be able to get health care from the government - but whether or not it is either adequate or has any quality to it is dubious at best.

ANY effort by either zero OR Congress to alter the healthcare system we currently have is an effort to take us even deeper into mediocrity. zero AND Congress needs to keep getting the message that healthcare, like cap ‘n tax, are nonstarters and ANY efforts to ram this down our throats will be met with significant opposition!!


36 posted on 09/17/2009 5:48:18 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: mewzilla

why is it that several of the countries we are talking about here have higher life expectancies than the US does?


37 posted on 09/17/2009 5:48:50 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: spacejunkie01

Apparently he has never heard of these countries called Canada and Mexico


38 posted on 09/17/2009 5:49:45 AM PDT by Mr. K (THIS ADMINISTRATION IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT!!!!!)
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To: AndyJackson
As this guy once put it...

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Benjamin Disraeli

It depends upon the age group. The older you get in the US, the more likely you are to live longer than folks born in the same year in other nations. As for why our mortality rates for younger folks are higher, it's due to a variety of causes: higher infant mortality, accidents, crime, etc. But if you want to live to be a geezer, live in the US.

39 posted on 09/17/2009 5:53:59 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: AndyJackson

Think of it as a lifestyle choice.


40 posted on 09/17/2009 5:55:40 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Job 19:25 As for me, I know my Redeemer lives.)
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To: Cboldt

Federalizing airport security’s a good idea and it still it. Unacceptable lapses in security occured on September 11, 2001.


41 posted on 09/17/2009 6:07:59 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: AndyJackson
why is it that several of the countries we are talking about here have higher life expectancies than the US does?

When you take out the confounding factors like when a newborn baby is a newborn baby, accidents and murder the answer is they don't. Does that answer your question?

42 posted on 09/17/2009 6:13:31 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (CommieCare: Need a Stent, Take a Red Pill. Next!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
-- Federalizing airport security's a good idea ... --

That depends on what you mean by "federalize," but the formula enacted into law (including forming the TSA) was stupid. Next time there is a failure of an aircraft due to maintenance issues, should we federalize the maintenance employees?

43 posted on 09/17/2009 6:17:59 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: AndyJackson

The “middle-man” is accounted for in the 20% administrative number he sited (think CEO, claims adjuster, customer service, the agent that sells the policy) Each of these are doing something in the process.

The math is that for every dollar collected in premium, $.20 goes to pay for everything excluding the claim.

Can this $.20 number be driven down? Sure, but you are still faced with the fact if a type of coverage is mandated by the government the money to pay for that coverage must come from somewhere. That is the $.80 of the $1.00 in premium.

Again, where does the $.80 come from to pay the claims? Is it generate from the customer in the form higher premiums?

Is it from the income generated from investments the company makes with the money? Probably not since the market is down.

Or is there a subsidy that must take place to aid the company to pay claims since they can not raise it from premiums from the customer due to regulations preventing rate increases or from the investment market?


44 posted on 09/17/2009 6:19:13 AM PDT by vg0va3 (I don't plan to quit the fight until it is finally over.)
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To: Scythian
My husband is from England so I have some knowledge of this. What he didn't say is that it is that throughout Europe their health care systems are subsidized by the taxpayer. Also, they don't have to pay for their nations defenses. Basically, we do.

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. If you like paying 60-70% of what you earn in taxes, it can be good.

45 posted on 09/17/2009 6:26:14 AM PDT by deteaparty
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To: spacejunkie01

Gretchen Rocks! I’ve seen her challenge guests when they try to ‘snowjob’the public.


46 posted on 09/17/2009 6:32:09 AM PDT by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: spacejunkie01

Nonsense, friends of mine come regularly from England.


47 posted on 09/17/2009 6:36:14 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Angry about where our country is going with the current regime at the helm.)
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To: Chickensoup

Yes, but...all your friends are SHEIKS, aren’t they??? hmmmmm????

;)


48 posted on 09/17/2009 6:39:54 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: Miss Didi
Has he lived in Europe??? I didn't think so. I saw the interview and was very suspicious of his "findings."

I was very wary of his "findings" as well.

The only foreigners who come to the US for healthcare are the rich, super-rich oil sheiks who go to the Mayo Clinic. (As God is my witness I had no idea that Canada had that many oil sheiks.)

The rest of the world is magnificent with a wonderful blend of private/public healthcare and there are no lines, no waiting, no pre-existing condition exclusions, Everybody is happyhappyhappy, no problems, etc. If your healthcare claims are not paid in 5 days your insurance premium for next month is FREE!?!?!?

He also did not make any mention of how much malpractice insurance costs or if there is a limit on lawsuits or even if you can can sue.

Then I saw where he gets his paycheck and said, "Well, that explains a lot."

49 posted on 09/17/2009 6:48:06 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

If everyone should get the same health care or it is immoral, then Congress should be willing give up their caddilac plan and wait in lines for homoginized health care like the Dems want the rest of us to do.


50 posted on 09/17/2009 7:27:34 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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