Skip to comments.FoxNews - T.R. Ried just blew the American Health Care System Away
Posted on 09/17/2009 4:52:23 AM PDT by Scythian
Boy did he destroy the myth's of the American health care system and the cries that all other countries have socialized medicine. What a sham, governments of other nations are covering everybody via private health care, in fact, most do, the myth of socialized medicine is largely that, a myth. It was a very in depth interview.
It was a real eye opener, what you think about Germany, France and so on and other western nations and their health care might actually suprise you. I hope others were able to see that interview.
Good interview. I hope the video is up soon.
Where? F&F east coast?
I smell a rat. He provided a glowing endorsement of government regulation and seemed to play class warfare politics.
Literally EVERY subject of public policy covered by the politicians and press is substantively mis-represented to the public.
In the wake of 9/11/01, the Feds said that the only way to get professional-grade security is to federalize, and voila, TSA. Stupid decision, and obviously so at the time it was made. So too with health care - federalizing any part of it is stupid.
What I saw of the interview appeared to be an utter joke. They guy RAVED about medical care in every other country BUT the US. When Gretchen asked him why so many others come to the US for care then, he responded, ‘well, ARAB SHEIKS come here but others can’t afford it’!
The guy struck me as a loser libtard.
Yeah, the Arab sheiks part had me laughing out loud!
In the big picture, I hope his book brings some sanity to the health care debate, but my guess is that it will only strengthen public support for obama's and the demonrats' momentum to pass something.
There seems to be conflicting perceptions of this interview on this thread.
What? The guy I saw was a proponent of gubmint single payer health care.
Did I miss something?
...and by the way, what kind of headline is yours that says this idiot ‘blew away’ the American healthcare system???? Good grief. We’ve got THEE BEST healthcare in the world and that guy had to reluctantly admit that RIGHT BEFORE saying only Arab Sheiks come here for it.
WTH, why post a vanity about a Fox nuz program and then provide no links?
I noticed he mentioned Canada’s long lines, didn’t say anything about the UK either.
he said everyone gets same care...if so whey do some come here for care
It’s not about health care...it’s about control. Bottomline.
HIs main claim was that "government health care" in other countries was most often comprised of private insurance, private hospitals, and private doctors. His most telling point was that insurance countries here charge 20% overhead costs, whereas in France (for instance) the overhead is 4%.
His other claim was that only in the United States is the healthcare different for the wealthy than the poor. Apparently, in France the President receives the same health care as anyone else - otherwise it would be "immoral".
I'm quite skeptical of his claims, myself. MRI machines and all the other trappings of high-tech medicine cost a lot, everywhere. So does a top-notch medical education.
That one line makes a total fool of him.
If only Arab Sheiks have the money to come here for medical treatment, he is pointing out that they are the wealthiest of the wealthy and that only they can go anywhere they want to go for medical treatment.
Now if they are the wealthiest of the wealthy and can go anywhere in the world they want to go, why do they come here if it is not the very best in the world?
Therefore, it is obvious that we do have the best system in the world other wise they would go to that best place.
So the author is not worth discussing.
Here’s some text from PBS:
The other point about countries like Germany is that the tax rates are much higher there than they are in the US. The Germans pay a federal income tax plus a 15% federal sales tax.
Candidate for State Representative, HD3: T.R. Reid
I firmly believe that health care should be a right, not a privilege, for every American and Im convinced Colorado can lead our country toward that goal
**calendar of events at link
Dude, TR Reid is a shill for single payer. You should check out his Frontline special:
He goes around the world checking out different systems, and anytime he sees something that seems better in the foreign land he blames it on “America’s corporate profit motive.”
Never once does he question anything else about our system, such as how we let doctors limit the number of doctors we train here (that certainly isn’t a corporate profit motive maneuver!). The reason I bring that example up is that there are a couple of the countries he visits where he is amazed that they have almost zero wait time for all medical services, and that feat is clearly directly related to provider numbers and almost nothing else.
That is slanderous crap and you know it.
I meant Universal. Watch the Frontline special. He pretends to be doing an unbiased piece, then goes and fills out a Japanese “prayer card” praying for a Universal health care plan as soon as possible.
He just didn't answer how.
For instance, are there government subsidies to offset the losses of insurers due to being forced to offer coverage
For the company to pay all claim and accept all insuerd they must generate enough money to pay claims. That can be from one of 3 places:
The question is where does the money come from? The consumer, the investment market or the government?
I think the title of Mr. Ried's book says it all...
One of the problems with the folks on the right is that so many of them never travel out of the country. So, they don't realize that the US has become the second most over bureaucratized underpreforming country in the world. The only country I know of that is worse than ours in this regard is the Soviet Union, and they died for their sins of regulatory excess. Think it is all the fault of government? Hah, try walking into any large corporation and you will see privatized bureaucracy run amok.
It is all part and parcel of our current economic crisis, which we have not fixed, yet. American love getting paid for doing nothing. It is our national industry. Of course you have to wrap it around some service that folks do need, but if you find something they cannot do without, a drug, or a fighter plane, yeah ha, it is open season for useless administrators. We love it.
For every doctor or nurse you see, how many health care administrators and managers do you deal with here? I spend more time trying to get a doctors appointment than I do seeing a doctor.
Health care needs reforming. It is 1/6 of our economy and growing, and no one actually likes it very much.
But the dims are clueless about how to make the required changes to make it truly competitive.
There is a fourth source which stares all Americans in the eye so long we cannot see it. You stop paying for all the middlemen who take an enormous cut and provide nothing for their "service." The United States economy is the most administratively overbloated economy in the world. I know nowhere else in the world where even the most simple transactions are so complicated and convoluted by useless fee takers.
PS think ACORN. They did not invent the scam. They are not even very good at the scam. A lot of well educated folks run the same shakedown and make it look like legitimate business. But they provide nothing for the “service.”
Lessee - TSA, FEMA, VA, IRS, USPS . . . . . . name me ONE thing that the government does well, efficiently and makes a profit!!
Anyone who thinks that they will receive the SAME level of care available today by private practitioners if the health care system is nationalized is delusional. We may be able to get health care from the government - but whether or not it is either adequate or has any quality to it is dubious at best.
ANY effort by either zero OR Congress to alter the healthcare system we currently have is an effort to take us even deeper into mediocrity. zero AND Congress needs to keep getting the message that healthcare, like cap ‘n tax, are nonstarters and ANY efforts to ram this down our throats will be met with significant opposition!!
why is it that several of the countries we are talking about here have higher life expectancies than the US does?
Apparently he has never heard of these countries called Canada and Mexico
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
It depends upon the age group. The older you get in the US, the more likely you are to live longer than folks born in the same year in other nations. As for why our mortality rates for younger folks are higher, it's due to a variety of causes: higher infant mortality, accidents, crime, etc. But if you want to live to be a geezer, live in the US.
Think of it as a lifestyle choice.
Federalizing airport security’s a good idea and it still it. Unacceptable lapses in security occured on September 11, 2001.
When you take out the confounding factors like when a newborn baby is a newborn baby, accidents and murder the answer is they don't. Does that answer your question?
That depends on what you mean by "federalize," but the formula enacted into law (including forming the TSA) was stupid. Next time there is a failure of an aircraft due to maintenance issues, should we federalize the maintenance employees?
The “middle-man” is accounted for in the 20% administrative number he sited (think CEO, claims adjuster, customer service, the agent that sells the policy) Each of these are doing something in the process.
The math is that for every dollar collected in premium, $.20 goes to pay for everything excluding the claim.
Can this $.20 number be driven down? Sure, but you are still faced with the fact if a type of coverage is mandated by the government the money to pay for that coverage must come from somewhere. That is the $.80 of the $1.00 in premium.
Again, where does the $.80 come from to pay the claims? Is it generate from the customer in the form higher premiums?
Is it from the income generated from investments the company makes with the money? Probably not since the market is down.
Or is there a subsidy that must take place to aid the company to pay claims since they can not raise it from premiums from the customer due to regulations preventing rate increases or from the investment market?
If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. If you like paying 60-70% of what you earn in taxes, it can be good.
Gretchen Rocks! I’ve seen her challenge guests when they try to ‘snowjob’the public.
Nonsense, friends of mine come regularly from England.
Yes, but...all your friends are SHEIKS, aren’t they??? hmmmmm????
I was very wary of his "findings" as well.
The only foreigners who come to the US for healthcare are the rich, super-rich oil sheiks who go to the Mayo Clinic. (As God is my witness I had no idea that Canada had that many oil sheiks.)
The rest of the world is magnificent with a wonderful blend of private/public healthcare and there are no lines, no waiting, no pre-existing condition exclusions, Everybody is happyhappyhappy, no problems, etc. If your healthcare claims are not paid in 5 days your insurance premium for next month is FREE!?!?!?
He also did not make any mention of how much malpractice insurance costs or if there is a limit on lawsuits or even if you can can sue.
Then I saw where he gets his paycheck and said, "Well, that explains a lot."
If everyone should get the same health care or it is immoral, then Congress should be willing give up their caddilac plan and wait in lines for homoginized health care like the Dems want the rest of us to do.
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