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New Envion Facility Turns Plastic Waste into $10/Barrel Fuel
inhabitat.com ^ | 9/16/09 | Ariel Schwartz

Posted on 09/17/2009 10:05:04 AM PDT by Kartographer

What if we could turn all the plastic waste we create on a daily basis into fuel to power our cars? A Washington, DC-based company called Envion claims it can do just that with a process that turns plastic into an oil-like fuel for just $10 per barrel. According to Envion, the resulting fuel can be blended with other components and used as either gasoline or diesel.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: recycling
Interesting process if true. Think of all the oil from Yuppie's water bottles alone!
1 posted on 09/17/2009 10:05:05 AM PDT by Kartographer
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2 posted on 09/17/2009 10:06:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money...M. Thatcher)
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To: Kartographer

$10 a barrel my foot. As long as the “plastic waste” is free maybe. But if you can make fuel from garbage, then pretty soon your gonna have to pay for garbage.


3 posted on 09/17/2009 10:07:10 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Red Badger

If this works soon companies will compete to buy youe garbage.


4 posted on 09/17/2009 10:08:16 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

So true...


5 posted on 09/17/2009 10:09:17 AM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: GeronL

Which is how it should be. You always know which stuff is actually a good idea to recycle because companies will pay for it. Currently plastic is not a good recyclable, if this process works that could change.


6 posted on 09/17/2009 10:10:09 AM PDT by discostu (When I'm walking a dark road I am a man who walks alone)
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To: GeronL

I bet it is thermo-depolymerization. Yes, if we can perfect that technology, then the landfills that the enviromentalists scream about can be used to make oil.


7 posted on 09/17/2009 10:12:07 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: GeronL

But the price of garbage will only go as high as the market will bear in a free market where..... oh, never mind.


8 posted on 09/17/2009 10:15:42 AM PDT by metalcor
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Yup. And you can use a combination of chemical and physical processes to sort the trash.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, oil to oil? Plastics start out as oil, no reason they can’t be made into oil again, although with certain losses I’m sure.


9 posted on 09/17/2009 10:16:34 AM PDT by AntiKev ("Within the strangest people, truth can find the strangest home." - Great Big Sea - Company of Fools)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

but don’t those environmentalists hate oil too? lol.


10 posted on 09/17/2009 10:16:35 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: metalcor

Yes, imagine a company picking up your plastic trash each week and paying YOU by the pound.


11 posted on 09/17/2009 10:17:45 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

They hate everything. With that in mind, they are inconsequential.


12 posted on 09/17/2009 10:21:32 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: GeronL

That $10/barrel number is probably marginal cost.


13 posted on 09/17/2009 10:33:32 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

probably.


14 posted on 09/17/2009 10:34:14 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
the landfills that the enviromentalists scream about can be used to make oil.

The mindset about landfills is all wrong! We should think of them as long-term raw-materials aggregation sites. When we decide we need something, we can mine the landfills.

15 posted on 09/17/2009 10:35:35 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: GeronL

Why you gotta go usin’ logic and stuff?


16 posted on 09/17/2009 10:36:52 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: GeronL

” and paying YOU by the pound.”

Yeah! Riiiight! The goobers will pass a law saying you MUST separate plastics from other waste. You must have a separate bin for plastics. The trash haulers will need separate trucks for plastics. And you garbage disposal costs will go up 50%.


17 posted on 09/17/2009 10:39:57 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: numberonepal

Thats just the way I yam.


18 posted on 09/17/2009 10:40:16 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

that IS more likely I would agree


19 posted on 09/17/2009 10:40:58 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

But, what use would we have for environmentalists? Oh, wait, what use do we have for them now?


20 posted on 09/17/2009 10:42:10 AM PDT by Skenderbej
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To: GeronL

Real green energy is that which can profit and produce greenbacks for the investors.


21 posted on 09/17/2009 10:42:30 AM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find! - I am Joe Wilson.)
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To: jimfree

Thats what I say!


22 posted on 09/17/2009 10:43:57 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Kartographer

I thought Doc already took care of this.

23 posted on 09/17/2009 10:44:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kartographer

Well, poly means many, and ethylene means, roughly, gas.

Not too hard to figure it out I guess.


24 posted on 09/17/2009 10:45:30 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

“I bet it is thermo-depolymerization.”

Would that be heating plastic until it melts? Great idea!


25 posted on 09/17/2009 10:51:40 AM PDT by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: dfwgator

Oh, no. not the flux capacitor again!


26 posted on 09/17/2009 10:57:00 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

Nah, the Flux Capacitor was so 20th Century.


27 posted on 09/17/2009 11:04:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GeronL

then pretty soon your gonna have to pay for garbage.

Not the case if you think of the scrap paper market. Companies actually pay for their scrap paper to be hauled away. They then break it down by grade and sell it back to the paper industry for reuse.


28 posted on 09/17/2009 11:06:40 AM PDT by Recon Dad
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To: GeronL

I don’t know about you but we in Connecticut have to pay to dispose of our trash.


29 posted on 09/17/2009 11:10:33 AM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the Dogs.)
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To: puppypusher

Its the same everywhere. But if that trash becomes valuable...


30 posted on 09/17/2009 11:16:55 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: puppypusher
While we all have to pay to have our garbage removed(a ripoff, when I was young we could haul it ourselves for free, greenies ruined that) when we can get paid for the plastic now at recycling centers?

I do, actually my grandson takes all my plastic bottles and aluminum cans, saves me the trouble and he makes a few extra bucks that way.

So why do you think it would cost us if plastic waste were suddenly to become more valuable.

I bet the people doing this experiment are paying for plastic now and I bet they get it from recyclers, I bet we would simply see the money paid for plastic bottles increase, giving us more money for our trash. I would then have to stop letting my grandson haul them off and take them myself:)

31 posted on 09/17/2009 11:35:58 AM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: calex59

“I bet we would simply see the money paid for plastic bottles increase, giving us more money for our trash.” More likely, you will see laws passed that force you to recycle to the collectors, without any remuneration for the trash, but higher taxes at sale point, to pay the union collectors.


32 posted on 09/17/2009 11:42:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: pappyone

It’s heating it, under pressure, until it breaks down into short chain carbon molecules, otherwise known as oil.


33 posted on 09/17/2009 11:44:25 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: calex59

So why do you think it would cost us if plastic waste were suddenly to become more valuable.

I would love to be paid for any plastics I reurn to the recycling facility.As of Now I get zip.The town must get paid that money.


34 posted on 09/17/2009 12:47:27 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the Dogs.)
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To: puppypusher

Well I take mine to a local recycling center and they pay me.


35 posted on 09/17/2009 1:11:15 PM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: Kartographer

I visit a company that takes coal, runs it through a gasification plant,makes syn gas, fiddles with the syngas to make various molecules that make many different types of plastic.

I’m pretty sure they work with Waste Management who has a large plastics recycling yard adjacent to their plant and in operation for many years. I don’t know what they actually end up with. They know all about the manipulation of molecules.

While feasible, the coat of $10 seem out of line. The collection and separation is expensive and labor intensive. I am skeptical about the economics. Screwing with the molecules is likely possible.


36 posted on 09/17/2009 1:42:16 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Quotes of the century: 2001 "Lets Roll"..... 2009 "You Lie")
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To: Kartographer

There’s been a company doing this for 6 years or so called Changing World Technologies, they have a pilot plant in Carthage, MO. I believe the parent company recently filed for bankruptcy.


37 posted on 09/17/2009 1:59:45 PM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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To: AlmaKing
That's not a Flux Capactior! That's the Mr. Fusion that generates the 1.21 Gigawatts of energy that runs the Flux Capacitor! So much more convenient than stealing Plutonium from the Libyians.

This is a Flux Capacitor:


38 posted on 09/17/2009 2:07:51 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Joe Wilson speaks for me.)
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To: Kartographer
I'm still waiting for the "Anything into Oil" process to get rolling! It would take any organic waste and turn it into oil. The combination of the two would be great!
39 posted on 09/17/2009 2:40:47 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: rednesss
I believe the parent company recently filed for bankruptcy.

Well, DANG! Those were the folks I just posted about!

40 posted on 09/17/2009 2:42:37 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Yo-Yo

Are those spark plugs?


41 posted on 09/17/2009 3:55:32 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

No, they’re flux capacitors. But the wires going to them are spark plug wires...


42 posted on 09/17/2009 8:29:12 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Joe Wilson speaks for me.)
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To: Disambiguator
When we decide we need something, we can mine the landfills.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

43 posted on 09/17/2009 8:39:58 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Kartographer

It would be interesting to see the basis for the cost estimate. I am sceptical as to whether they have done the pilot plant to even know the cost. You are talking about cracking long carbon chains. Plastic ain’t exactly Saudi light.


44 posted on 09/17/2009 9:07:17 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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