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Sword killing no cause for cheers
Baltimore Sun ^ | September 17, 2009 | Baltimore Sun Editorial

Posted on 09/17/2009 1:25:06 PM PDT by George - the Other

"This is certainly nothing to celebrate. The glorification of the incident online and around town belies the horror of the killing and its aftermath. Even if it ultimately is judged to have been legally justified, the question of whether the situation couldn't have been handled differently will remain."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: armed; defense; protection; sword
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In my opinion, it's easy to editorialize a supposedly "superior" way of dealing with the situation that took place, but they weren't there. They weren't the ones victimized. They weren't assaulted.

Whenever there is a murder or serious crime, civic leaders and the police tell us the way to reduce it is to get involved.

However, this editorial wants the citizens of Baltimore to assume the role of helpless victims, that it wants them to be fearful, to run, cower and hide, while they wait for the police, which you have already written about being overburdened as it is, to hopefully show up in time and do "something."

1 posted on 09/17/2009 1:25:07 PM PDT by George - the Other
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To: George - the Other

I celebrate law abiding citizens killing intruders. Every time.


2 posted on 09/17/2009 1:26:10 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: George - the Other

Bad guy dead.
Message sent.

I can’t think of anything wrong here.


3 posted on 09/17/2009 1:26:39 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: George - the Other

In other words, it wants the citizens to be slaves, not free people.


4 posted on 09/17/2009 1:27:12 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt

That seems to be the idea that Congress wishes we would accept.


5 posted on 09/17/2009 1:28:27 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: pissant
I celebrate law abiding citizens killing intruders. Every time.

"An armed society is a polite society," as Lazarus Long used to say. And sometimes, they're armed with swords.

If somebody, anybody, wants to defend themselves, I don't care how or where. That's their decision to risk. Another good quote:

"Personal freedom begins when you tell old Mrs. Grundy to go to hell." --Lazarus Long.

6 posted on 09/17/2009 1:29:07 PM PDT by 50sDad (The Left cannot understand life is not in a test tube. Raise taxes, & jobs go away.)
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To: George - the Other

7 posted on 09/17/2009 1:29:07 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: George - the Other

Of course, for these folks, that “handled differently” won’t include a handgun.


8 posted on 09/17/2009 1:29:38 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: pissant
"I celebrate law abiding citizens killing intruders. Every time."

What do you know, something we agree on.

9 posted on 09/17/2009 1:29:42 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: George - the Other

Bad guy breaks into home... bad guy winds up dead at hands of the person he tried to rob/harm. That’s worth celebrating in my book.

Live like a thug, die like a thug.


10 posted on 09/17/2009 1:30:01 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: George - the Other

The author seems to not understand what JUSTIFIED means...


11 posted on 09/17/2009 1:30:12 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: pissant

Me too. And I don’t care what they use.


12 posted on 09/17/2009 1:30:39 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: George - the Other
Seems clear to me that it could have been handled differently.

The criminal could have stayed home and not gone out to rob a house.

13 posted on 09/17/2009 1:30:40 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: George - the Other

I didn’t read it that way. I agree to a point, that we can accept solemnly accept that sometimes bad guys need to be killed, without glorifying the deed. In my adult life, I’ve come to support the death penalty, but I don’t find any joy in an execution. If anything, I feel the deepest sympathy for those who had to carry it out.


14 posted on 09/17/2009 1:30:58 PM PDT by Melas
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To: George - the Other
The burglar, Donald D. Rice, wouldn't ordinarily deserve much sympathy. He was a career criminal with a long record of thefts. He had just gotten out of prison the previous Saturday after serving six months for a conviction in Baltimore County. By all accounts he was neither an admirable character nor an innocent victim.

But even burglars don't deserve to be killed with a razor-sharp sword.

He doesn't deserve any sympathy. Whatever works. If the guy broke into my house and came at me, he'd be met with a Sig P220.

15 posted on 09/17/2009 1:31:08 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: wolfcreek

Bare hands is the most impressive though.


16 posted on 09/17/2009 1:31:13 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: George - the Other
But even burglars don't deserve to be killed with a razor-sharp sword. And Mr. Pontolillo - whose thinking may have been clouded by the adrenaline rush of fear, panic and anger - must now spend the rest of his life grappling with the anguish and remorse of having snuffed out another's life.

So for that reason, we should all cower in our houses, abdicating the right to self-defense to the police?

Tell you what Baltimore Sun, you do that and I'll promise not to write anything critical of you making that choice.

Cowards.

17 posted on 09/17/2009 1:31:58 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: George - the Other

This worked really well, actually.

If the robber were slain with a gun, you’ve got all kinds of potential problems: It would have made a loud noise, it might leave pieces all over the place, and the projectile might have traveled and made unintended trouble.

With a sword, it’s quiet, quick, and nothing flying around.

Concealed sword permits for everyone.


18 posted on 09/17/2009 1:32:56 PM PDT by lurk
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To: George - the Other

There’s one easy way for people to avoid this fate.

Don’t break into other peoples’ houses and try to steal their stuff.


19 posted on 09/17/2009 1:33:04 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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I find cheering much too mild a response to the killing of vermin.

The patriot needs to be hoist on the shouders of the community and paraded through town with much revelry...then the patriot needs to awarded prizes medals and a brand new handgun of their own choosing, so as to make their heroics, in the future, less dangerous to themselves.


20 posted on 09/17/2009 1:33:09 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: George - the Other
"This is certainly nothing to celebrate. The glorification of the incident online and around town belies the horror of the killing and its aftermath. Even if it ultimately is judged to have been legally justified, the question of whether the situation couldn't have been handled differently will remain."

LIBERAL TRANSMOGRIFIER: "It's only worth celebrating if the victim, not the criminal, was killed. Today is a day of bereavement, mourning the honest criminal who was only trying to feed his three crack-whore girlfriends, his 12 children, and his rather vicious drug habit."

21 posted on 09/17/2009 1:33:36 PM PDT by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: George - the Other

Yea !!! Right !!! rehabilitation is the answer ,,, I’ll bet this perp had a real nice resume of past criminal accomplishments . No more . . .


22 posted on 09/17/2009 1:33:40 PM PDT by lionheart 247365 (-:{ Glen Beck ,,,,,,,,,, An American Patriot }:-)
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To: Vaquero
find cheering much too mild a response to the killing of vermin. The patriot needs to be hoist on the shouders of the community and paraded through town with much revelry...then the patriot needs to awarded prizes medals and a brand new handgun of their own choosing, so as to make their heroics, in the future, less dangerous to themselves.

I'll chip in for a hooker.

23 posted on 09/17/2009 1:34:53 PM PDT by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: lurk
With a sword, it’s quiet, quick, and nothing flying around.

Well, there was the small matter of a severed hand...;'}
24 posted on 09/17/2009 1:35:07 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: b4its2late
What's not to like about a career criminal named Rice being turned into sushi by his intended victim?
25 posted on 09/17/2009 1:35:07 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: George - the Other

Is it a cause for cheers?

Yes. Absolutely, unequivically, yes.

The message needs to be said, nay shouted, loud and clear. “if you are a POS loser who would rather steal from the industrious than earn for yourself, we have no use for you. If you are a POS then you are worthless to us. If we catch you stealing that which we have labored to earn, expect no regard. If you are so arrogant as to threaten us, expect no quarter and no mercy. If you are THAT much of a POS, not only will we feel justified doing whatever is necessary to ptotect ourselves from you, we will do it with relish. For in protecting ourselves we are protecting every single person you might prey upon in the future”

Its only too bad the method of dispatch couldn’t have been even more brutal. Some messages have no room for subtlety.


26 posted on 09/17/2009 1:35:15 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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But even burglars don't deserve to be killed with a razor-sharp sword

Yes, they do.

27 posted on 09/17/2009 1:35:41 PM PDT by chesley ("Hate" -- You wouldn't understand; it's a leftist thing)
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To: George - the Other

If crooks don’t want to die they can simply cease and desist from all criminal activity. It is a choice.

No one knows when someone breaks into their house whether they are armed or not. A successful robbery often invites a return engagement. Who knows whether it may escalate next time? Who knows if the next time you wake up to find the creep with a weapon hovering over your bed?

The Sun is correct that the homeowner did nothing to deserve carrying this possible feeling of guilt around with him for a long time. All the doing was on the dead man’s part. Any feelings of guilt suffered is the dead guy’s fault.


28 posted on 09/17/2009 1:36:24 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Agreed.

He held out his sword in self defense.
The culprit attacked him anyway.

What is he supposed to do, let the culprit stab him with a knife so he can bleed to death too?
If the culprit did not attack him, the culprit would not have died.
The culprit is dead and the victim lives. That is true justice.


29 posted on 09/17/2009 1:37:53 PM PDT by ActrFshr
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To: George - the Other
Baltimore Sun Editorial

I'll bet they support ACORN.

I'll bet they support charges against the breitbart filmakers.


30 posted on 09/17/2009 1:37:55 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: chesley
But even burglars don't deserve to be killed with a razor-sharp sword

I agree, it's too quick. I would recommend slowly being eaten to the bone by ants...but hey, that's just me.

31 posted on 09/17/2009 1:38:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: George - the Other
The police are authorized and trained to protect your life and property. You are responsible for protecting your life and property. There's a difference. If you can leave it to the police then it's well to do so. But when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Only you can decide what kind of threat an intruder represents and what measures are necessary and appropriate to defend your life.

I don't believe that the use of deadly force to protect property is appropriate. But it's not unreasonable for someone who is at home when their home is broken into to think that their life may be in danger. Having to have taken a life is not something to celebrate, it's true. But that does not mean that it was wrong to do.

32 posted on 09/17/2009 1:38:46 PM PDT by RonF
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To: George - the Other
The victim could have easily allowed the thief to take the property, after all its only things and a human life is worth more than things. In fact the victim could have taken a beating after all wants a little pain, possible injury and/or permanent disability next to the taking of a human life? Why should the victim hold his life so much more precious than the thief's life? Clear the victim is a hater and in need of psychological help. (SARC)

Most liberals are unable to understand as much as we don't like to believe it: "There's, many a man alive no more value than a dead dog." Shaara-'The Killer Angels'
33 posted on 09/17/2009 1:38:47 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: George - the Other
maybe he should have used a cross cut Carpenter's saw.
34 posted on 09/17/2009 1:39:03 PM PDT by bikerman (Buck Farack)
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To: George - the Other
Sword killing no cause for cheers>

Citizens killing criminals is always a reason to celebrate.

Gun, sword, sledgehammer, wood chipper, chain saw, swizzle sticks, 220, 221 .... whatever it takes.

35 posted on 09/17/2009 1:39:30 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (The way to destroy a countercultural movement is to have white people start liking it.)
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To: George - the Other

Outlaw swords and only out laws will have swords...

And Pirates....

Ninjas...

The odd Knight...

And a few students...


36 posted on 09/17/2009 1:39:43 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (There's something socialist in the neighborhood, who ya gonna call? MITTBUSTERS!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Good one.


37 posted on 09/17/2009 1:39:44 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: George - the Other

The Baltimore Sun takes a firm stance on the side of the villains. No, they weren’t there. No, their lives weren’t on the line. This is a textbook example of why most of Baltimore is such a disgusting hell hole of a place. The evil has taken over the city, and it runs the newspaper.


38 posted on 09/17/2009 1:40:43 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: pissant
I celebrate law abiding citizens killing intruders. Every time.

And the fact that it was done with a sword makes it even more cool!

39 posted on 09/17/2009 1:40:52 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: George - the Other
I'm amazed by these curs (like mr. baltimore sun editorialist) who fantasize about being able to flee from danger and cower in their nice safe little hiding place when faced with a threat.

The natural instinct of any human is to stand and fight when faced with imminent risk of harm rather than turn and show his back to someone who plans mischief. It's why we have adrenaline, to give us an edge when endangered.

Of course I did say any “human”, some of these cowards would quickly fail the test for humanity.

40 posted on 09/17/2009 1:41:31 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: George - the Other
Any up close death is re-lived by the survivor forever.

Just think you live miles from anywhere, late for work, flat tire, no spare, no one to call, and you'll be fired if you miss today.

Got enough to think about?

Leave the guy alone.

Y'dun good, buddy-boy.

41 posted on 09/17/2009 1:41:59 PM PDT by knarf
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To: pissant

Never bring bare hands to a katana fight.


42 posted on 09/17/2009 1:42:09 PM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (Eat right,...exercise...die anyway.)
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To: George - the Other
The writer is one of the smug pukes at this link:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/bal-edboardbios,0,4450844.html

43 posted on 09/17/2009 1:42:46 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: George - the Other
must now spend the rest of his life grappling with the anguish and remorse of having snuffed out another's life.

He wouldn't if liberal/progressives like the author of this crap didn't try to make victims feel guilty for doing justice. If more people gave the guy an understanding pat on the back type reaction, the guy who used the sword (the actual victim in this scenario) wouldn't spend the rest of his life feeling anguish. But that wouldn't play well in the liberal/progressive world would it?

44 posted on 09/17/2009 1:46:18 PM PDT by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds... in becoming a one term president.)
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To: George - the Other

According to the editorial, the homeowner was responsible for this incident because he didnt wait for the police. The burglar was just a non-sympathetic victim who didnt deserve to die by sword. Apparently the author doesnt understand the risks of burglary.


45 posted on 09/17/2009 1:46:44 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: George - the Other

“Was protecting some possessions worth precipitating an event that will change the rest of his life?”

A homeowner walking anywhere on his property has not “precipitated” anything. The idiot that attacks a man carrying a sword in his own house has done the “precipitating”.

Additionally, the moron writing the article assumes facts not in evidence. How does he know the man was only after property? Maybe his intent was to kill for the shear joy of it.

A man that breaks into your house likely knows quite a bit about you. Based upon the neighborhood that you are in and what your house looks like. He may even have cased your house for days. He has the chance to prepare for the encounter that he chooses to make. The home owner likely knows nothing about the intruder. Under such circumstances a person who does not assume the worst, may not survive.


46 posted on 09/17/2009 1:47:38 PM PDT by ks_shooter
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>>>>The burglar, Donald D. Rice, wouldn’t ordinarily deserve much sympathy. He was a career criminal with a long record of thefts. He had just gotten out of prison the previous Saturday after serving six months for a conviction in Baltimore County. By all accounts he was neither an admirable character nor an innocent victim.<<<

So why give him any sympathy? If the brave, young would be victim had not ended his career as a criminal, Rice might have killed a truly innocent person someday.

>>>Was protecting some possessions worth precipitating an event that will change the rest of his life? We think not.<<<

You could apply the same logic to calling the cops. What if a cop was forced to shoot and kill the career criminal? Would’t that affect the cop for the rest of his life?

I guess we should simply let the thugs take whatever they want. If they want to steal our possessions, let them have them. If they want to rape our wives and daughters, we must allow them to. We can’t risk a confrontation that might leave a predator dead, and “change the rest of the life” of the innocent man who killed him. /sarc


47 posted on 09/17/2009 1:49:26 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: George - the Other

Do not try this at home with the sword you bought at the corner grocery.

This was probably a quality repro.

-or, he picked it up while bumming around 16th century Japan. There can be only one.

One of what, they never say. Although, apparently, Clan MacLeod has two of them (three if you count the animated series).


48 posted on 09/17/2009 1:50:05 PM PDT by Rinnwald (Pry my clunker out of my cold, dead fingers.)
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To: George - the Other

“But even burglars don’t deserve to be killed with a razor-sharp sword”

See, that’s where you and I disagree Mr. Editorializer.


49 posted on 09/17/2009 1:50:50 PM PDT by BJClinton (Any "healthcare reform" without tort reform is a fraud.)
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To: dfwgator

But I’m a very soft-hearted person :)


50 posted on 09/17/2009 1:52:49 PM PDT by chesley ("Hate" -- You wouldn't understand; it's a leftist thing)
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