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Two mayors feel pressure for joining gun group
York Daily Record ^ | 09/16/2009 | TIM STONESIFER

Posted on 09/17/2009 9:59:16 PM PDT by neverdem

Two local mayors are taking fire for joining a national coalition that aims to remove illegal guns from the street.

Gettysburg Mayor William Troxell and East Berlin Mayor Keith Hoffman are two of more than 450 mayors nationwide who've lent their names to "Mayors Against Illegal Guns," an organization started in April 2006 by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg to stamp out illegally purchased guns.

But Hoffman said his participation - which began about a month ago - resulted from a misunderstanding of the group's objectives, and he's currently trying to get his name off the list.

"It was a mistake really," he said. "They swindle you in and then put your name on the list."

Hoffman explained he is a gun owner and would never support a group that would in any way limit people's rights to own guns. A letter to East Berlin citizens to explain how he was misinformed by the mayors group is forthcoming, he said.

The National Rifle Association earlier this month sent its own letter to members in both East Berlin and Gettysburg, urging them to ask their mayors to opt out of what the NRA calls "a front group to lobby Congress to oppose important pro-gun reforms."

And since that time, both Hoffman and Troxell have received complaints from residents who worry their Second Amendment rights are in danger.

"What (Hoffman's) done is put people on notice that East Berlin is an anti-gun town," said borough council Vice President Robert Clayton. "That's well beyond the duties of the mayor."

Several phone calls to Troxell seeking comment were not returned.

Mayors Against Illegal Guns was started in 2006, when 15 mayors met at Gracie Mansion in New York City in hopes of stopping the flow of illegal guns. Since then its membership has grown to more than 450.

Member mayors each sign a statement that says in part "there is no greater threat to public safety than the threat of illegal guns." Each agrees to punish to the maximum extent of the law those who use illegal guns, and to support any legislation targeting illegal guns, which the organization describes as those purchased without federally mandated background checks or through unlicensed gun dealers.

In addition, the organization recently fought against passage of the Thune Amendment, which would have allowed gun owners from states with concealed-carry laws the freedom to carry guns even in states without such laws. The Web site for Mayors Against Illegal Guns says the group does not take a position generally on concealed-carry laws.

The organization's opposition to another controversial piece of gun legislation - the Tiahrt Amendment - has drawn the ire not only of the NRA, but also the Fraternal Order of Police.

That amendment, named after its sponsor, U.S. Rep. Todd Tiahrt of Kansas, prohibits the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives from releasing its trace data to anyone other than a law-enforcement officer involved in a criminal investigation. According to its supporters, the amendment is designed to keep undercover police officers safe.

The mayors' group argues the Tiahrt Amendment actually makes it harder for law enforcement to pursue criminals, and more difficult to find dealers who sell guns illegally, by marking as confidential accumulated government data that might otherwise lead to arrests.

But law enforcement groups like the Fraternal Order of Police have argued the danger to undercover police officers is not worth the risk run by more broad exposure of sensitive data, and support keeping the law in place.

The debate over Tiahrt reached its climax in 2007 when New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg called the 300,000-plus member Fraternal Order of Police a "fringe organization," prompting that group's executive director to question Bloomberg's law-enforcement expertise.

York Mayor John Brenner - who is also a member of Mayors Against Illegal Guns - recently defended the group's positions, arguing such an effort is necessary to help quell gun violence in York and other towns. He said he joined the group to try and "address the serious problem of illegal guns in our communities."

But Brenner, too, has received a number of calls from NRA members who are concerned for the future of their right to bear arms, and are asking him to drop his affiliation.

According to the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, more than 40 mayors have already left the organization, a movement the NRA says is a result of disillusionment with what they consider misleading information on the part of Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

And local NRA supporters continue to press the point.

"Making these pronouncements is well beyond the duties of our mayor," said Robert Clayton, an NRA member. "If he refuses to resign, I think East Berlin citizens should seriously consider an impeachment."

York Mayor John Brenner also getting heat for joining group.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: banglist; maig
In addition, the organization recently fought against passage of the Thune Amendment, which would have allowed gun owners from states with concealed-carry laws the freedom to carry guns even in states without such laws.

That's not true. In a nutshell, the Thune Amendment would have recognized reciprocal concealed carry handgun privileges among "shall issue" states.

Current members of "Mayors Against Illegal Guns"

I counted 100 mayors in PA.

1 posted on 09/17/2009 9:59:16 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

How about we put pressure on ACORN-friendly mayors like Herbert Gears in Irving TX?


2 posted on 09/17/2009 10:01:32 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Born Conservative; airborne; smoothsailing; Dr. Scarpetta; martin_fierro; Coop; Tribune7; ...

I counted 100 mayors in PA, not counting any resignations, retirements, etc., from the initial list linked in comment# 1.


3 posted on 09/17/2009 10:03:22 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
"Mayors Against Illegal Guns," - a gun group? Really? I mean really?

Bloomberg, Daley, The Joyce Foundation. Since when where they in the Gun Group business?

4 posted on 09/17/2009 10:20:19 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's ACORN" - pace Auric Goldfinger)
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To: neverdem
I counted 100 mayors in PA.

My mayor(Washington PA) isn't one of them. Here in SW PA a mayor wouldn't last long if they pulled that stunt.

5 posted on 09/17/2009 10:21:26 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: neverdem
If you are a mayor of a town and you put your name on a list to support gun grabbers, that town needs a new mayor, fast. Yesterday. If you are that stupid you shouldn't be mayor of anything.

Μολὼν λάβε


6 posted on 09/17/2009 11:56:07 PM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" or "come get some")
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To: smoothsailing

I went to college in Wash..Pa!!!!


7 posted on 09/18/2009 12:26:43 AM PDT by gman992
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To: neverdem

My mayor in Port St. Lucie , Florida announced she would not seek re-election one week after the N.R.A. sent out e-mails that she was one of these gun grabbers.
I guess she got a few rather rude calls, deservedly so.


8 posted on 09/18/2009 1:08:44 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84 (FUBO))
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To: smoothsailing

I just checked the list, and all the local mayors in this part of Pennsylvania are on it — Easton, Bethlehem, Allentown, Stroudsburg, Northampton, Coopersburg, Tatamy, etc. etc. I never heard of this group before. Gee whiz, another thing we should check on and fight against. It’s just endless!!!!


9 posted on 09/18/2009 3:35:30 AM PDT by Old_Grouch (62 and AARP-free)
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To: neverdem

Yep, amazingly 100 in PA.

APparently it is not only Van Jones who signs documents they don’t read first.

Put the pressure on, and vote these clowns out.


10 posted on 09/18/2009 5:53:51 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: neverdem
"It was a mistake really," he said. "They swindle you in and then put your name on the list."

Isn't that what Van Jones said?
11 posted on 09/18/2009 5:54:30 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Old_Grouch

WHat is an “illegal gun” anyway?

There is illegal possession, but illegal gun? Perhaps in NYC, but not in 90% of this country.....just goes to show the intent of this pathetic group.


12 posted on 09/18/2009 5:59:33 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


13 posted on 09/18/2009 6:22:52 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: gman992

We live about a mile from the campus. W&J is a nice little college, has it’s own Young Republicans chapter!


14 posted on 09/18/2009 10:51:44 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Red in Blue PA

According to the MAIG standards in the article, a gun that was inherited or purchased from a private citizen is also an illegal gun, in that it did not go through a NICS check or through an FFL dealer.


15 posted on 09/18/2009 12:09:39 PM PDT by CabinJohn
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To: neverdem

There is one reason - and one only - for the extistence of this organization: the illegal abrogation of the Second Amendment. Rhetorical obfuscation aside, that is their sole raison d’etre.


16 posted on 09/18/2009 4:11:28 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (w)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

thanks neverdem.

NRA Versus Mayors Against Illegal Guns
wctv.tv | Sep 17, 2009 | Liza Park
Posted on 09/18/2009 10:23:42 AM PDT by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2343016/posts


17 posted on 09/18/2009 7:32:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: smoothsailing

Great college...lousy career services department!


18 posted on 09/18/2009 9:38:48 PM PDT by gman992
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To: Joe Boucher
The Mayor of Key West was named by the NRA ILA in a mailing last week as joining this group also. However he claims that he never joined.

In the correspondence I received from the Mayor I tend to believe him and think that the Blooming idiot is padding his membership numbers.

19 posted on 09/19/2009 8:23:48 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: beltfed308

Good,
You checked.
So did I and my Mayor is in favor of throwing out or ignoring the constitution.
And raising taxes this year by 26 percent.
Pretty smart lady huh? Ok so maybe not.


20 posted on 09/19/2009 8:31:20 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (google; operation garden spot and REX84 (FUBO))
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To: neverdem
But Hoffman said his participation - which began about a month ago - resulted from a misunderstanding of the group's objectives,

Baloney.... even the most naive political neophyte should be able to guess the "hidden" agenda simply by looking at the group's name.

21 posted on 09/20/2009 7:22:07 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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