Agenda 21, Secular Humanism, and the Animalization of Americans

Conservative Underground ^ | 15-Sep-2009 | Linda Kimball

[allmendream]

Not “Bible codes” again!

Or in your case “Torah codes”.

Because anybody who thinks there is a “code” in the New Testament is a loon - because you do not think the New Testament is a Revelation from God.

But if someone uses the exact same methodology on the Torah, well then that person is a genius!

[Zionist Conspirator]

Not “Bible codes” again!

Or in your case “Torah codes”.

Because anybody who thinks there is a “code” in the New Testament is a loon - because you do not think the New Testament is a Revelation from God.

But if someone uses the exact same methodology on the Torah, well then that person is a genius!

Kinda like you despise people who ignore science when it comes to creation but you yourself ignore it when it comes to people being born without fathers or coming back to life again after they have died.

As for Vilna Ga'on, he was no loon. And he was no mystical fanatic. He was a rationalist.

People who can't read Hebrew and look at the alleged codes for themselves cannot have a legitimate opinion on the issue, since all they can do is go by what other people say. When you learn Biblical Hebrew and take a look at the graphs we'll talk. Until then . . . buh-by.

[allmendream]

A rationalist who thinks that every bit of information about the universe that had ever happened or would ever happen is contained in “codes” within the Torah? (but definitely NOT the New Testament)

You obviously have a different definition of ‘rationalist’ than most.

[GodGunsGuts]

BFD. None of what you did in those operations can hold a candle to even Marine Corps Basic, let alone to what we do in the heat of battle.

And as I said in the quote you cited, the Islamo-Commie alliance extends all the way to the upper echelons of Al-Qaeda, as evidenced by the fact that their #2 man has been fingered as a KGB agent. And since you bring up Saddam Hussein, anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about his political ideology would know that Saddam was a secular socialist and enemy of the United States, whose entire military, intelligence and secret police apparatus was set up by the Soviet KGB.

[allmendream]

You are an apologist for Islamic extremism.

Your twisted motivation apparently being the irrational desire to blame any and all evils of this earth on your most hated ideological foe - a scientific theory.

Well kooky creationists of a feather flock together, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised when you agree with a Islamic Creationists website that 9-11 is the fault of belief in evolution.

[investigateworld]

If the 2nd Amendment was truly honoured in spirit, civilians should be able to own, maintain and use jet fighters and nuclear weapons

Hmmmm I don't see a problem with that.... with minor provisions ;^)

[YHAOS]

"And since you bring up Saddam Hussein, anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about his political ideology would know that Saddam was a secular socialist and enemy of the United States, whose entire military, intelligence and secret police apparatus was set up by the Soviet KGB."

Not to mention that Saddam Hussein admired Stalin (right down to the mustache) and modeled himself after that dictator.

[GodGunsGuts]

Apparently, you failed to catch that I said that it is good that the Islamic Creation sites denounce terrorism carried out in the name of Islam, I also made it clear that they paint with an overbroad brush.

You are a liar for Darwin, who was in turn a liar for the father of all lies. Indeed, now that I look back on all your posts, I’m starting to think that you probably already know that.

[GodGunsGuts]

I can’t believe I didn’t throw that in there...that was some very quick and timely thinking there, YHAOS!!!

[allmendream]

So now I worship Satan, Gutless? Well that is no more delusional that a host of your other wack job beliefs.

Everything I said about you being an apologist for radical Islam is 100% true. You make common cause with the Islamists because they believe like you do.

Those Islamic creationist that you idolize blame 9-11 on belief in evolution, and you agree.

When will you just give it up and convert to Islam? They seem far more in line with your belief set than Christianity.

[metmom]

But why do you condemn creationism in the first place if you're going to believe in virgin births and dead people coming back to life? Science says these things are impossibilities, and if you are telling science to shut up and butt out of these areas, then you are no better. In fact, you're worse, because you're a hypocrite.

PWND

[GodGunsGuts]

You don't have to worship Satan to tell lies that benefit the kingdom that he is trying to erect on this earth. And you are the one who have become an apologist for the Islamo-Commie alliance by refusing to acknowledge the same. Like I said, you would do well to read some of the standard CONSERVATIVE works on the subject. But I know you won't, because they conflict with your evo-materialist religion.

[allmendream]

I acknowledge that while we backed Israel, the Communists backed the Arabs.

That is a few steps short of your idiotic notion that if an Islamic group ever had any contact with Communists that suddenly they renounced their religion and became secular and want to kill people because of evolutionary biology.

9-11 was not a Communist plot. It was the plot of an Islamic cleric.

[metmom]

Kinda like you despise people who ignore science when it comes to creation but you yourself ignore it when it comes to people being born without fathers or coming back to life again after they have died.

That is exactly the point that creationists try to make that consistently gets ignored or lost on evos who claim to be Christians; cherry picking Scripture.

If I'm crazy for believing that the creation account took six days, then why am I not crazy for believing other scientifically impossible things like the virgin birth and the resurrection? And yet, any evolutionist who claims to be a Christian is, by default, admitting to believing other scientifically impossible events.

So, amd, please explain why the virgin birth and the resurrection are acceptable things to believe in in contradiction to science, but the creation account isn't.

Thank you, ZC, for putting it so succinctly.

[allmendream]

And according to our Geocentric Creationist FReepers you too are “cherry picking” what scriptures to use and ‘putting the word of man over the word of God’ if you accept that the Earth is in orbit around the Sun.

Thus we see the problem with creationism. Once a particular interpretation of scripture is accepted as ‘the word of God’ then how could ANY amount of evidence ever contradict it?

Believing that the creation of the natural world utilized natural means, and using science to discover those processes whereby stars and elements and planets form - is not a denial that God can and does perform miracles.

Do you suppose miracles can be explained by science?

Again with the “claims” garbage (move over St. Peter, and hand those keys to metmom). Is the Pope, who said evolution was “a fact that enriches our understanding of life and being and such” also only “claiming” to be a Christian? Do you think he similarly rejects miraculous involvement of God in the world?

[GodGunsGuts]

Wrong again, dreamer. The Islamo-Commie Alliance exists in the here and now, and is stronger than ever before. Russia is still a gangster state run by the very same gangster as when they were called the Soviet Union. Red China is still the very same gangster state as they were before we opened up “free trade” with them. Now we are transferring our wealth to the communists, while they build their militaries, form new anti-American alliances while retaining all their old alliances, and it is all being done without the slightest hindrance from the now defunct US-led Cold War counter-alliance. And it is happening right before your eyes, and you are completely blind to it.

[allmendream]

And you are blind to the fact that those who say they are Islamic, follow an Islamic cleric, justify their actions by quoting the Quran, and whose actions are applauded in the Islamic world...... are in fact motivated by Islam.

Just how delusional do you have to be to think that somehow secretly they are really inspired by a scientific theory that they do not even know?

I know how delusional, as you give evidence every day.

Delusional enough to think that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

Delusional enough to think that biologists should be “frog marched” off to prison.

Delusional enough to think that man walked with dinosaurs.

Delusional enough to think that evolution is not a measurable and observable process.

Delusional enough to think that “time dilation” explains how light from one hundred million light years away somehow started its journey within the last six thousand years.

Pretty darn delusional.

[metmom]

And how are scientists not geocentrists when they talk about sunrise and sunset? What about the celestial sphere that astronomers constantly refer to? Don't tell me that they actually believe that we are in the center of a sphere that the stars are all fixed to.

Anything in Scripture that is written as a narrative account is rightly read that way. Jesus Himself referred to the creation account, the creation of Adam and Eve, and the Flood as actual events.

Did He lie and misrepresent those events as fact instead of allegory to those who heard Him? Or was He telling the truth?

Sure it is. It is putting Scripture subservient to man's interpretation of data as observed from man's perspective, which is only one limited point of view.

Is the Pope, who said evolution was “a fact that enriches our understanding of life and being and such” also only “claiming” to be a Christian?

Are you saying that the Pope is infallible? And what if a different Pope make a different statement? Then who's right?

[tpanther]

got it...thanks!

Spot on!

[allmendream]

Way to miss the point metmom.

Our Geocentric Creationist Freepers have it in their head that “and HE set the foundations of the Earth so that they should not be move forever” and other scriptures necessitates a geocentric model. According to them you are “cherry picking” what scriptures to believe in just as much as I or Benedict XVI is; unless you agree with their particular scriptural interpretation.

And the supposed ‘infallibility’ of the Pope on matters of faith is completely irrelevant to the question.

The construction you seem so enamored of is that if one accepts evolution that they are only “claiming” to be Christian and somehow also reject the notion of God's miraculous involvement with the world.

Seeings as how Pope Benedict XVI said evolution was a “fact which enriches our understanding of life and being and such” do you think he too is only “claiming” to be a Christian or that he rejects Gods miracles?

It matters not at all that he is the Pope except to illustrate the absurdity of your argument. If another were selected and he said it as Karl Ratzinger, would you assume that “Karl” was only “claiming” to be a Christian, and would you think that he also rejected the virgin birth or the resurrection of Jesus the Christ?