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Military growing impatient with Obama on Afghanistan
Miami Herald ^ | 9/18/2009 | NANCY A. YOUSSEF

Posted on 09/18/2009 7:48:21 PM PDT by markomalley

Six months after it announced its strategy for Afghanistan, the Obama administration is sending mixed signals about its objectives there and how many troops are needed to achieve them.

The conflicting messages are drawing increasing ire from U.S. commanders in Afghanistan and frustrating military leaders, who are trying to figure out how to demonstrate that they're making progress in the 12-18 months that the administration has given them.

Adding to the frustration, according to officials in Kabul and Washington, are White House and Pentagon directives made over the last six weeks that Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, not submit his request for as many as 45,000 additional troops because the administration isn't ready for it.

In the last two weeks, top administration leaders have suggested that more American troops will be sent to Afghanistan, and then called that suggestion "premature." Earlier this month, Adm. Michael Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that "time is not on our side"; on Thursday, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates urged the public "to take a deep breath."

The White House didn't respond to requests for comment. Officials willing to speak did so only on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly.

In Kabul, some members of McChrystal's staff said they don't understand why Obama called Afghanistan a "war of necessity" but still hasn't given them the resources they need to turn things around quickly.

Three officers at the Pentagon and in Kabul told McClatchy Newspapers that the McChrystal they know would resign before he would stand behind a faltering policy that he thought would endanger his forces or the strategy.

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 09/18/2009 7:48:21 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: Nachum

I concur.


2 posted on 09/18/2009 7:49:19 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: Cindy

Ping.


3 posted on 09/18/2009 7:49:54 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: markomalley

Pull the troops out, or commit to victory.


4 posted on 09/18/2009 7:50:41 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama should resign out of guilt for what he is doing to this once great country.)
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To: markomalley

If they think they’re frustrated now, wait till AG Eric Holder starts prosecuting them for war crimes. Its coming.


5 posted on 09/18/2009 7:50:59 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: markomalley

I’d have the FBI at my door in 3 minutes if I said what I’m thinking.


6 posted on 09/18/2009 7:51:38 PM PDT by unkus
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To: markomalley

The White Hut is filled with Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood sympathesizers and possibly moles. This is fact and was known during the 2008 campaign.

They may be leaking intel back to the Taliban and Al Qeada.


7 posted on 09/18/2009 7:52:18 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: markomalley

What good is punishing America if you can’t punish the troops.


8 posted on 09/18/2009 7:52:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Frantzie

Seven Days In May.


9 posted on 09/18/2009 7:53:31 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: unkus

I need to look up just what the penalty is. It might be worth it.


10 posted on 09/18/2009 7:53:44 PM PDT by TheZMan (White male, short hair, armed Patriot. Keep pushing.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Thanks for the ping Jet Jaguar.

OPINION:

To run a war efficiently and effectively the COMMANDER IN CHIEF must:

1. love his country.
2. want to win.
3. keep politics out if it.
4. have a plan with continuous options
for situations which may arise.
5. be a leader.


12 posted on 09/18/2009 7:55:08 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: markomalley

“commander zero” put new ROE in effect in June and the American death rate shot to the highest in the war in July. He has never shot a Daisy BB gun. He hates our Military. He loves muslims and hates White Christians and he has no intention of “winning” the war against islam.


13 posted on 09/18/2009 7:55:59 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: Frantzie

I’m so disgusted with Obama. Either sh*t or get off the pot.


14 posted on 09/18/2009 7:56:07 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama should resign out of guilt for what he is doing to this once great country.)
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To: cripplecreek
We already had marines killed this week because the commanders followed his policy of protecting civilians while our troops get hammered. Now he's delaying the decision to provide more help. How many will die because of the delay?

OB what's your exit strategy?

Where are the peace demonstrators in all the major cities?

When will Code Punk call for impeachment?

15 posted on 09/18/2009 7:56:09 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: markomalley

“McChrystal they know”

hmmm.. in tough times character is really tested..


16 posted on 09/18/2009 7:56:35 PM PDT by outlawjake
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To: Cindy

Obozo is batting .000 according to that list.


17 posted on 09/18/2009 7:56:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: doc1019
Muslim usurper in a war in a tribal muslim nation that has been fighting for 1000 + years? Hussein has changed the ROE so our trrops cannot fight back. If anyone who thinks that is going to work out is dreaming. Afghan has never had a normal society where alliances shift by the moment.

The usurper Admin is filled with Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood sympathesizers and possibly operatives. I woul dbet intel is getting back to the Taliban and Al Qeada to kill our troops. Judge Carter - our troops need the truth. Marines are dying for Islam.

18 posted on 09/18/2009 7:57:13 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: markomalley

I’m afraid we are 12 months out from a coup.


19 posted on 09/18/2009 7:57:33 PM PDT by Dead Dog (Hope is Dope)
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To: markomalley

20 posted on 09/18/2009 7:58:11 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: markomalley

From what I read the “new” policy of engagement has cost American lives.


21 posted on 09/18/2009 7:58:41 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: doc1019

If you think he cares about the welfare of America or our troops then you are dreaming.

Those defense missiles to protect Poland and the Czech Republic were also vital to protect us. Sen. Inhofe said so tonight. They were needed to stop any missiles coming to America in midflight when it is easiest to intercept them.


22 posted on 09/18/2009 8:00:53 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: markomalley

The louse dithers and our heroes die.

Damn him.


23 posted on 09/18/2009 8:01:05 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: cripplecreek
Ok, let's get the big picture on that number.



24 posted on 09/18/2009 8:01:38 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Frantzie

“Marines are dying for Islam.”

That is so wrong! Obama is such a sc&^bag!


25 posted on 09/18/2009 8:01:47 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Dead Dog

Optimistic timeline.


26 posted on 09/18/2009 8:02:41 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama should resign out of guilt for what he is doing to this once great country.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Adding to the frustration, according to officials in Kabul and Washington, are White House and Pentagon directives made over the last six weeks that Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, not submit his request for as many as 45,000 additional troops because the administration isn't ready for it.
I like to think that this is about the upcoming liberation of Iran. The US forces in Iraq have very little to do now, but haven't been brought home.
27 posted on 09/18/2009 8:03:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Dead Dog

Sucks that it’ll take that long.


28 posted on 09/18/2009 8:03:27 PM PDT by TheZMan (White male, short hair, armed Patriot. Keep pushing.)
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To: Frantzie

AMEN!!!!


29 posted on 09/18/2009 8:03:57 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama should resign out of guilt for what he is doing to this once great country.)
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To: markomalley

By not making a decision one way or another, Obama is personally responsible for deaths of American soldiers.

And he knows it.


30 posted on 09/18/2009 8:04:09 PM PDT by PAR
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To: markomalley

Hey, zer0! Stop with the half-measures. Either all-in or all-out. Pick one, dumba$$.


31 posted on 09/18/2009 8:05:10 PM PDT by ScottinVA (This Revolution will be peaceful if possible; other than peaceful if necessary.)
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To: Islaminaction

Yes it is so wrong. Our troops in Afghanistan are being set up to lose.

Judge Carter - Sir you need to protect our troops and The Constitution. You may be our only hope. No more delays on the case. Marines are dying.


32 posted on 09/18/2009 8:07:12 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: markomalley
Forget Afghanistan is Obama's Viet Nam..

Obama is U.S. forces' LBJ.

Obama won't risk losing support for domestic agenda by helping military.

.. and that measured response thing again? Oval Office interfering with day-to-day combat missions, too?

33 posted on 09/18/2009 8:07:55 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: unkus

Me too. It is Lyndon Johnson all over again: no willingness to commit to action leading to military victory out of fear of reactions leading to political defeat.


34 posted on 09/18/2009 8:09:12 PM PDT by milagro
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To: markomalley

We need to send the Marines....to the Whitehouse.


35 posted on 09/18/2009 8:09:20 PM PDT by stboz
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To: PAR

He doesn’t care. Our men and women in uniform are little more than little plastic Army Men to him.


36 posted on 09/18/2009 8:09:23 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: markomalley
Three officers at the Pentagon and in Kabul told McClatchy Newspapers that the McChrystal they know would resign before he would stand behind a faltering policy that he thought would endanger his forces or the strategy.

That doesn't explain the ROE that McChrystal came up with now does it? That being said, Obama is really ticking people off big time. Everyone should be complaining to their reps of his mamby pamby lack of leadership. Obama should stick to running for office because it's the only thing he knows how to do.

37 posted on 09/18/2009 8:13:01 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: markomalley
Three officers at the Pentagon and in Kabul told McClatchy Newspapers that the McChrystal they know would resign before he would stand behind a faltering policy that he thought would endanger his forces or the strategy.

I'll be offering Special Intentions for GEN McChrystal as often as I can.

My initial instincts about him were wrong.

38 posted on 09/18/2009 8:15:01 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: buccaneer81

Seven Days In May.
_______________________

I think our military is going to come to the nation’s rescue.


39 posted on 09/18/2009 8:15:44 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Dead Dog

I think so.


40 posted on 09/18/2009 8:16:19 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Dead Dog

I think so.


41 posted on 09/18/2009 8:17:11 PM PDT by unkus
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To: markomalley
“. In August, 2009 became the deadliest year of the nearly eight-year war for American troops. So far, at least 25 have been killed this month.”

The White House has blood on it's hands - I curse them.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/75036.html

headline: ‘We're pinned down:’ 4 U.S. Marines die in Afghan ambush”

They were REFUSED air cover ...

aiding and abetting our enemy in killing our troops = ducks in a shooting gallery and not allowed to defend themselves - no cover - protecting the Taliban with their new ROE - Rules of Engagement...

Our troops aren't allowed to fire at the enemy that is firing at them if they are in a village - and in this battle, they WEREN'T in a village but out in the valley - pinned down and being killed - and they were REFUSED air cover -

And none dare call them traitors - the authors of the ROE?

I do. I say they are lily-lived, Muzzy sympathizers.

DEFEND OUR TROOPS, NOT THE TALIBAN WE need to shower Beck, Rush, Hannity et all - every day, day in a day out with emails demanding our troops be protected and demanding Obama - who says it will be weeks and weeks before he makes a decision about sending more troops - to give up just one of his dozens of obamacare speeches to make a decision for our troops - NOW. TODAY! (An aside observation: A couple weeks ago, obama gave a lavish dinner at the WH honoring Islam. This week is Rosh Hashanah. Did I miss the dinner?)

42 posted on 09/18/2009 8:17:56 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Dead Dog

“I’m afraid we are 12 months out from a coup.”

Why?


43 posted on 09/18/2009 8:19:55 PM PDT by verity
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To: doc1019

Fix the ROE or get out.


44 posted on 09/18/2009 8:20:44 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: nufsed

you post “protecting civilians while our troops “

In this battle, there were NO civilians - ONLY Taliban. They were TOLD that - and yet they refused air cover, and our troops died.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/75036.html

DEFEND OUR TROOPS, NOT THE TALIBAN


45 posted on 09/18/2009 8:22:29 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; bigheadfred; ..

(( ping ))


46 posted on 09/18/2009 8:25:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Frantzie

You know what really gets me? We know Obama hates America, but how come there are not dozens of Senators screaming about this? Or how about high ranking military members? This toe the company line stuff has to end. Patton would told this current govt to take a freaking walk.


47 posted on 09/18/2009 8:26:17 PM PDT by Islaminaction
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To: Parley Baer
you say: “From what I read the “new” policy of engagement has cost American lives.”

WE all need to be more informed about it - and fight for our troops. They are being denied the right to even defend themselves OR to have air cover when pinned down and being killed.

The Taliban are laughing their heads off - they now know they can shoot at our troops from the villages and that our troops CANNOT fire back.

The villagers, that were starting to trust that we wouldn't leave them at the mercy of the war lords, now know that if they want to live, they have to allow the Taliban to use their villages and even to help them - women and children are now called upon to run back ad forth to keep their ammunition supplied.

With this last battle, the Taliban ALSO now know that they can ambush them in the valleys - pin them down and pick them off like ducks in a shooting gallery and not even worry about air cover.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/75036.html

All that our troops gained and scarified in the last 8 years is being lost - and now they have TWO enemies to fight: The Taliban and the WH.

48 posted on 09/18/2009 8:33:05 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: ScottinVA
Hey, zer0! Stop with the half-measures. Either all-in or all-out. Pick one, dumba$$.

I fear he IS all in - just not for our side.

49 posted on 09/18/2009 8:35:17 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: unkus

Ecomcon-Seven Days in May!!!


50 posted on 09/18/2009 8:35:23 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Zero will never be my President, never!!!!!)
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