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Official: FCC to propose 'Net neutrality' rules
google.com/hostednews ^ | September 19, 2009 21 hours ago | DANIEL LOVERING

Posted on 09/20/2009 11:51:47 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

The head of the FCC plans to propose new rules that would prohibit Internet service providers from interfering with the free flow of information and certain applications over their networks, an official at the agency said Saturday.

The Federal Communications Commission chairman, Julius Genachowski, will announce the proposed rules in a speech Monday at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank, the official said on condition of anonymity because news of the announcement had not been formally released.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: fcc; obamacommunist

1 posted on 09/20/2009 11:51:47 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: All

Julius Genachowski

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Genachowski


2 posted on 09/20/2009 11:53:14 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

I am for net neutrality but am going to look at it again since the ObamaBots want to legislate it


3 posted on 09/20/2009 11:53:46 AM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Julius Genachowski.....

another effin Harvard lawyer
Obama= tyranny by lawyers

The EU central governing bodies are stacked with these parasites. Bill Clinton loved his lawyers too but at least there weren’t so many from Harvard


4 posted on 09/20/2009 11:56:53 AM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: dennisw

The government will favor whoever donates to their campaign like they do now with all other gov takeovers.


5 posted on 09/20/2009 11:57:44 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Hey look, the leftists have a new 1984-like euphemism for “They Want To Control All The Information”

Chalk that one up alongside “Fairness Doctrine” and “Public Broadcasting” and Etc.


6 posted on 09/20/2009 12:00:31 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
On page 1232 of 1876 in tiny font it reads, “Shut down freerepublic”.
7 posted on 09/20/2009 12:00:39 PM PDT by ryan71 (Smells like a revolution)
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To: dennisw

Agreed. For net neutrality (its a utility), against Obama minions and the demonrats doing the law on it.


8 posted on 09/20/2009 12:02:58 PM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Seems to me this will either slow everyone's Internet or increase prices across the board.
9 posted on 09/20/2009 12:04:16 PM PDT by CondiArmy
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To: CondiArmy

ISPs are jacking rates up anyway.

Ironically, we already have net neutrality: ISPs only charge for access speed, not content access. People who think ISPs want to bring television tiering and pricing to the internet are probably correct, but disregard the reality that their customer base would disintegrate overnight.


10 posted on 09/20/2009 12:07:32 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: CondiArmy

Hey! This is all about fairness. Let’s leave capitalism out of this. /s


11 posted on 09/20/2009 12:07:56 PM PDT by upchuck (New sign on my pickup: Are you a "Hope and Change" regretter?)
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To: CondiArmy

Accept for the companies that donate to Obama.


12 posted on 09/20/2009 12:08:31 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

I just wish AT&T would get off its ass and get DSL out here in the kuntree.


13 posted on 09/20/2009 12:11:55 PM PDT by upchuck (New sign on my pickup: Are you a "Hope and Change" regretter?)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

I sense the libtards would like to completely eliminate the free speech provisions of our Constitution so that the only voice heard across the country will be BIG BROTHER. Orwell’s vision is closer than ever to becoming reality, people.


14 posted on 09/20/2009 12:13:20 PM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: dennisw

>>> I am for net neutrality but am going to look at it again since the ObamaBots want to legislate it <<<<

Same thing here dennisw, if Obozo is for it, I’m suspect of anything Obozo supports.

Some folks are skeptical of Wikipedia, but they have a decent and balanced article about “net neutrality”:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality


15 posted on 09/20/2009 12:15:55 PM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
"interfering with the free flow of information and certain applications"

Sounds to me like opening the way for government applications to be placed at some point all through the internet to free flow their information or to gather more information about us.
16 posted on 09/20/2009 12:18:01 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
I see no Constitutional permission for the Federal government to be involved one way or another with private communications.

Maybe someone can enlighten me.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

17 posted on 09/20/2009 12:27:21 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid

I cannot think of one move the 0bama administration/government has done that is innocuous.

Accept for maybe Michelle’s garden but even that is an insult when people are in food lines in Ca. because of a minnow fish so her husband and his cronies can build a worthless solar farm and make moola.


18 posted on 09/20/2009 12:39:34 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: upchuck

DSL? Won’t happen.

You’ll have to wait for WiMAX.


19 posted on 09/20/2009 12:49:32 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

I’m generally in favor of net-neutrality but if passed and especially if implemented by the clown in the whitehouse...there WILL be unintended consequences.

The most likely of which will be the end of unlimited broadband and the universal adoption of metered service.


20 posted on 09/20/2009 12:53:19 PM PDT by dman4384
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; ...
I wonder it this will cover, prevent Google’s self avowed filtering system where they filter out websites of their coice to appear way down lower on search engines thus viewed less, or only if the searcher insists/persists and scrolls way down

AntiMullah is a good example. For a long time, when it had a fraction of the current viewers it would appear among the first five top articles on islamic or political subjects.

Instead of the many articles posted daily, now an occasional article shows way down the list that comes up, mostly buried by the site's articles from last two years or even farther back.

Google openly admitted it was doing this, which is a form of censorship by withholding access to the information, which their technology does easily.

21 posted on 09/20/2009 12:58:28 PM PDT by FARS ( Be happy, Be well)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; ...
I wonder it this will cover, prevent Google’s self avowed filtering system where they filter out websites of their coice to appear way down lower on search engines thus viewed less, or only if the searcher insists/persists and scrolls way down

AntiMullah is a good example. For a long time, when it had a fraction of the current viewers it would appear among the first five top articles on islamic or political subjects.

Instead of the many articles posted daily, now an occasional article shows way down the list that comes up, mostly buried by the site's articles from last two years or even farther back.

Google openly admitted it was doing this, which is a form of censorship by withholding access to the information, which their technology does easily.

22 posted on 09/20/2009 12:59:57 PM PDT by FARS ( Be happy, Be well)
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To: CondiArmy
Seems to me this will either slow everyone's Internet or increase prices across the board.

This is exactly what will happen. As well as prohibit advanced new services that offer differential performance for increased rates.

That is the socialist solution for everything: limited and mediocre resources for everyone, which is a self-fulfilling solution, namely everyone realizes that working harder is pointless, so the point becomes to see who can work the least hardest. (See "Atlas Shrugged")

"Net Neutrality" is akin to telling the airlines that first class and business class are prohibited, and that only one class of service will be allowed. There's nothing wrong with multiple service classes in any industry as long as the service levels are understood by all involved, and as long as there is no discrimination about who can buy which services.

(Nonetheless, a very minimal amount of new regulation would be a good thing to prohibit the kinds of abuses and favoritism already exhibited by several carriers, including Comcast and others, and which can be expected to only get worse. Really, all that's needed is a requirement of non-discriminatory universal contract rates for a given service class, prohibition of interfering with types of services and data, and prohibition of deliberate rate-limiting for any reason for any ingress or egress end-point, when a nominal bandwidth is contracted and paid for.

23 posted on 09/20/2009 1:08:58 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff)
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To: FARS
As posted [not to FARS!] on another thread today:

Go ahead, do a search(Google).

LOL! I watched google 'disappear' over half a million hits on image searches for "Obama Birth Certificate" in mid July '08.

I'm not the only one who has noted that google systematically eliminates any unfavorable data relating to 0bama. See also post #30 on this thread.

google? You're recommending google as an unbiased source???

No seriously, google?

Did I miss your </sarcasm> tag?

24 posted on 09/20/2009 1:11:53 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 242 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: upchuck
I just wish AT&T would get off its ass and get DSL out here in the kuntree.

For some reason that brought this to mind...


25 posted on 09/20/2009 1:17:10 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 242 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: FARS
Google is using their filtering technology to create a "forum slide" that puts lots of irrelevant articles at the head of the search results to push items they wish to marginalize "off the radar".
26 posted on 09/20/2009 1:19:54 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Any legislation will inevitably lead to government censorship. This is but the first step.


27 posted on 09/20/2009 2:18:21 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: angkor

Thanks for that wiki on net neutrality. Good information.

If telecoms really need more money they should charge heavy users more. I suppose a heavy user is someone downloading DVDs and TV shows and porn movies


28 posted on 09/20/2009 2:56:07 PM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: catnipman
There's nothing wrong with multiple service classes in any industry as long as the service levels are understood by all involved, and as long as there is no discrimination about who can buy which services.

If I had as many choices for broadband as I have in airlines I can fly, cars I can buy, or cell phone services, I would agree with you 100%. As it is I have as many choices for broadband as I have for electricity, water, or sewer service.

29 posted on 09/20/2009 3:36:25 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: dennisw
If the telecoms want to throttle illegal filesharing I am fine with that. If they want to throttle legal streaming services like Netflix and Hulu I am completely NOT fine with that.
30 posted on 09/20/2009 3:38:58 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (If we can't get good government, then I want as little government as possible.)
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To: dennisw

>>>> I suppose a heavy user is someone downloading DVDs and TV shows <<<<<

Which for example would include Netflix, which happens to be one of the big proponents of NN.

I literally just now finished watching a streaming Netflix movie (Bridge On The River Kwai), with my puny 1.5 Mbit DSL connection which gives 75 percent movie quality. Folks with faster broadband can watch 100 percent quality and even HD movies, which I cannot. So just to take this small example, streaming movies are running continuously for 90 minutes to 3 hours at 2 to 5 Mbits/sec

In some ways the Verizon and Cox arguments are legit... it’s their broadband plant and they are letting Netflix take the end-user movie distribution revenue for free.

On the other hand I have zero sympathy for them, they are both basically monopolies. We don’t let the electric company sell us lightbulbs.


31 posted on 09/20/2009 6:37:25 PM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: dennisw

Yeah . . . if they said they were for Mom, Apple Pie and the flag, I’d be wary.


32 posted on 09/20/2009 6:44:37 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: dennisw

The Number 1 Rule that applies to ALL Rat regulations or legislation: NEVER, EVER trust them.


33 posted on 09/20/2009 7:51:03 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


34 posted on 09/20/2009 9:04:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: angkor
Which for example would include Netflix, which happens to be one of the big proponents of NN.

Interesting

I literally just now finished watching a streaming Netflix movie (Bridge On The River Kwai), with my puny 1.5 Mbit DSL connection which gives 75 percent movie quality. Folks with faster broadband can watch 100 percent quality and even HD movies, which I cannot. So just to take this small example, streaming movies are running continuously for 90 minutes to 3 hours at 2 to 5 Mbits/sec

I have the same level of DSL and cannot get faster due to my neighborhood's wiring. Netflix is moving in this direction and so is Amazon. 
Computer users of 10-20 years ago would be shocked to find that a prime use of the home PC is to bat around music and movies around the internet. That this is the vital "information" being exchanged

In some ways the Verizon and Cox arguments are legit... it’s their broadband plant and they are letting Netflix take the end-user movie distribution revenue for free. On the other hand I have zero sympathy for them, they are both basically monopolies. We don’t let the electric company sell us lightbulbs.

It would more fair to charge monthly by how much you download. But that would violate the tradition of all the internet you want at a fixed price each month. So the ISPs want to make up for the heavy downloaders (bring in more revenue via stealth).....by charging NetFlix and others

35 posted on 09/21/2009 2:37:17 AM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: dennisw

>>>> the ISPs want to make up for the heavy downloaders (bring in more revenue via stealth).....by charging NetFlix and others <<<<<

That’s the essence of the issue. The Internet has never before been a content-based or content-regulated enterprise, and that’s what the larger carriers want to start doing at several different levels. On the other hand there are big upgrade costs for the larger shift to broadband movies in particular.

IMO there are good arguments on both sides, and it’s almost irrational to support one versus the other.


36 posted on 09/21/2009 4:25:56 AM PDT by angkor (The U.S. Congress is at war with America.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Net neutrality is way for Obama to censor the Internet.

Its a trojan horse.

The feds need to stay away from the web, and leave it alone. Next thing we will have a federal tax on every purchase made on the web.

37 posted on 09/21/2009 6:17:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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