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Interesting note posted today re Judge Land and Obama 'discovery'

Posted on 09/21/2009 7:03:17 AM PDT by cycle of discernment

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/

Leon Brozyna Says: September 21st, 2009 at 4:09 am

Dr. Taitz:

In perusing a number of web sites and commentary on the Rhodes case and the latest results, I find that the comments generally fall into two groups —

*** 1 - the judge is terrible and the ruling is an injustice.

*** 2 - the judge is correct in properly smacking down Orly.

I suggest that there is a third possibility that exists that no one seems to have publicly mentioned — that Judge Land is brilliant by handing down a deliberately inflammatory ruling bordering on judicial misconduct thereby inviting Rule 11 discovery.

Just think about it for a minute.

If Judge Land had granted the TRO, the case might have dragged on for months before getting to the discovery phase. On the other hand, the judge could have dispassionately denied the TRO by narrowly interpreting the law in favor of the defendants and Cpt Rhodes would have deployed to Iraq, making further motions moot.

By ruling as he did, as though he was having a judicial melt-down, it seems he has practically handed you an engraved invitation to submit a motion for Rule 11 discovery. Did he do this deliberately in the hope that you would take this route? We’ll never know. Even if this case blows up in Obama’s face, Judge Land’s thought processes may remain forever hidden (unless he has his memoirs published after he retires or dies). The point is that you now have, in this case, the best possibility to go for discovery - perhaps even better than in the case pending before Judge Carter. Craft your arguments carefully - Obama’s defense team may come to really hate Judge Land for his seeming melt-down.

Another thought - there was an earlier case in which the judge dismissed plaintiff’s motion and referred to blogs, the internet, twittering, etc. in his ruling. Made quite a splash when the ruling was handed down. I believe the case is still out on appeal - may have tried for rule 11 discovery based on judge’s conduct. Something else you may want to look into after you’ve responded to defendant’s motion before Judge Carter.

Everything seems to be coming together. The next few weeks may just turn out to be the most important in our Republic’s history. Our prayers are with you.

Leon Brozyna CW2, USA (Ret)


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1 posted on 09/21/2009 7:03:18 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

Didn’t the plaintiff before Land personally write to Land that he was bugging out of the case? That leaves Orly with nothing w/r/t Land.


2 posted on 09/21/2009 7:08:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: cycle of discernment

Brilliant or stupid. Either way, by moving Orly from plaintiff to defendant, he just might be blowing this whole thing wide open. Now, as the one in jeopardy, she gets a whole new set of rights and privileges.


3 posted on 09/21/2009 7:09:09 AM PDT by Genoa
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To: rxsid

Please ping your list. This looks interesting.
Thanks


4 posted on 09/21/2009 7:09:32 AM PDT by Hang'emAll
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To: Genoa

I said this Sat night. The judge may actuall be a good guy. Someone mentioned Land backed off on the penalty and sanctions against Orly. Does anyone know if i is true?

If she can go down that path she need the help of a competent attorney. She may be given two huge gifts in Land’s sanctions and getting a caese in front of Judge Carter.

I hope Judge Carter understands Marines are dyding because of the Islamist’s rules of engagement in Afghnaistan.


5 posted on 09/21/2009 7:16:35 AM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Hang'emAll

It’s my sincere hope that she hires a good attorney. She needs one. They say “only an idiot serves as their own attorney”. I am suspecting she will decide to be her own attorney, thus confirming both the wisdom of the old chestnut and my opinion of her.


6 posted on 09/21/2009 7:17:37 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: cycle of discernment

Mr. Brozyna is engaged in wishful thinking.


7 posted on 09/21/2009 7:21:12 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: HiTech RedNeck

There is some debate about the veracity of that rumor ( that Orly acted w/out client approval)

There appears to be some evidence the so-called ‘fax’ sent by Captain Rhodes (that Orly acted w/out her consent) was faked.


8 posted on 09/21/2009 7:24:30 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: Jack Black

Russians and/or Chechens or people of the region are stubborn, usually know-it-alls who think they are smarter than anyone else because they usually are.

If she does not start working with competent attroneys in this case and the Judge Carter case then she is a plant by you know who. She has a gift with both of these cases.


9 posted on 09/21/2009 7:24:56 AM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Frantzie

If he backs off, then she wouldn’t have cause for Rule 11 discovery, or whatever, would she?


10 posted on 09/21/2009 7:27:11 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

This is what I was thinking. If he backs off then he is another judicial O stooge.


11 posted on 09/21/2009 7:29:16 AM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: LucyT; pissant

A ping for you both...hadn’t known of this disc. angle before by Judge Land.


12 posted on 09/21/2009 7:29:34 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Hey BOR, saying 75k attended the 9/12 March in DC is like saying Octomom gave birth to triplets!)
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To: cycle of discernment; PennsylvaniaMom; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; ...
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13 posted on 09/21/2009 7:40:51 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Frantzie

Yes, I was going to point out that you had already suggested this.

I’m not sure that anyone would take his career and reputation in his hands and do something like this, but who knows?

Whether deliberate or not, it does seem to me to open the way for Orly to appeal or to demand discovery, as I’ve also been saying. Attacking her is dangerous for them. But not fighting back is also dangerous, since she just keeps going and going.


14 posted on 09/21/2009 8:01:47 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Frantzie

It’s a pretty interesting world we live in these days. Absolutely every thing going on has to be viewed with a very high level of suspicion. Plant someone in the role of attorney who will blow the case on purpose, all the while looking like they’re working very hard to win. What was that great movie set in Florida where an attorney was chosen because he had flubbed a case and was hired by a lady, Sharon Stone?, who wanted him to help her kill her husband. All I can think of is “In the Heat of the Night” but that’s not it. An aging brain can be a real pain sometimes!

Anyway, it’s interesting how the you could have an attorney intent on doing the a bad job and a judge intent on giving that attorney a true gift!


15 posted on 09/21/2009 8:27:41 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: jwparkerjr

Kathleen Turner, “Body Heat.” Excellent scenes in steamy Florida.


16 posted on 09/21/2009 8:29:58 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: wxgesr
Yes, that's it! I was bit off base, but at least you were sharp enough to cover for me!

It was a great movie. I loved the ending. I might even watch it again. Even though I know how it ends.

There's another movie I saw years ago and would love to see again but can't remember the name or the stars, just sort of the plot. This guy is in love with a very gorgeous young lady in college. He's a music major. They separate after graduation and he goes on to become a talented write of jingles and then advertising scores. He is contacted by Hollywood and offered a chance to write the music for a new movie. In the process he realizes he still pines for the girl from college and she lives in Hollywood. He contacts her to see if he can get her back. Great movie. She was really fine in the college scenes. Maybe someone here will remember the movie. In one part he writes a score for an airline commercial and then ends up using it for a variety of things.

Thanks a million for the Body Heat info! Yes, it did have some very steamy scenes of Florida. I was raised down in that area in the mid-50’s.

17 posted on 09/21/2009 8:37:50 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: LucyT

Please add me to your ping list.

Thanks.


18 posted on 09/21/2009 8:39:07 AM PDT by Hang'emAll
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To: Hang'emAll

Done.


19 posted on 09/21/2009 8:40:59 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: cycle of discernment

Would be nice, but I believe the corrupt judge is simply “following orders” to get rid of the case. I wished I agreed that he did this intentionally. On Orly’s site, her reply is quite crude (I think she implied that the judge is taking an order to dismiss the case from the Commander in Chief himself, if I read it correctly). Either way, I hope her reply isn’t TOO disrespectful, although her denial was quite insulting !

As far as I know, she hasn’t even invoked Rule 11 for discovery which is by far, the BEST rebuttal !


20 posted on 09/21/2009 8:46:13 AM PDT by rocco55
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To: cycle of discernment

This is a porton of Orly’s reply to denial:

“The fact that the court’s 14 page order does not address any actual statements in plaintiff’s complaint by page or paragraph number, or any page citation to her TRO, suggests to a reasonable and objective mind that the court either did not read these documents or was summarily instructed by that same illegitimate ‘chain of command’ alleged above not to address [the questions,]” the motion said.

The motion described the judge’s decision as “manifestly unjust and incorrect.”

“Dem’s fightin’ werds” ! ! ! Hope it doesn’t back fire !


21 posted on 09/21/2009 8:51:53 AM PDT by rocco55
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To: cycle of discernment

Has any lawyer communicated to ORLY of this ? is she aware of this ?


22 posted on 09/21/2009 9:14:07 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: cycle of discernment

What is it you think “Rule 11 discovery” means?


23 posted on 09/21/2009 9:51:12 AM PDT by mlo
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To: jwparkerjr

Kathleen Turner was a major babe. She hasn’t weathered well, alcohol problems.

I can’t help you with the other movie, not ringing any bells.


24 posted on 09/21/2009 9:57:48 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: wxgesr

She also has rheumatoid arthritis.


25 posted on 09/21/2009 9:59:37 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Owww, that’ll do it.


26 posted on 09/21/2009 10:03:25 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet!)
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To: cycle of discernment; pissant

PING


27 posted on 09/21/2009 10:05:55 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Frantzie
If she can go down that path she need the help of a competent attorney.

According what I heard and seen, she says she has a slew of other attorneys working for her. I can't picture this a one-man-(woman)-show, her being all over the map???

However, it is good to know, at least, that we have so many competent armchair keyboard jurisprudence commandos here on FR weighing in on this case to "slap" down a foreign and not at least a female PATRIOT, who has balls. I sent her 50 bucks last month and will do same this month. You all go and do the same if you want her to succeed, instead of tear her down!!!

28 posted on 09/21/2009 10:06:54 AM PDT by danamco
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To: r9etb

An “After-Birther”???


29 posted on 09/21/2009 10:08:18 AM PDT by danamco
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To: rocco55
On Orly’s site, her reply is quite crude (I think she implied that the judge is taking an order to dismiss the case from the Commander in Chief himself, if I read it correctly).

Don't we now live in times where one has to be rude to get to the truth???

Remember the tactics the usurper himself used with the help of the Chicago "Godfather" gang to advance into the Illinois State house by crushing his opponent who had sealed records, hmmm!!!

30 posted on 09/21/2009 10:16:58 AM PDT by danamco
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To: danamco
However, it is good to know, at least, that we have so many competent armchair keyboard jurisprudence commandos here on FR weighing in on this case to "slap" down a foreign and not at least a female PATRIOT, who has balls. I sent her 50 bucks last month and will do same this month. You all go and do the same if you want her to succeed, instead of tear her down!!!

Sorry, pal ... when it comes to legal maneuvering (and repeated bungling of same), Orly Taitz has amply demonstrated that she is her own worst enemy.

31 posted on 09/21/2009 10:18:12 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

That is what I would call, your typically chauvinistic misguided opinion!!!


32 posted on 09/21/2009 10:22:02 AM PDT by danamco
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To: cycle of discernment
The problem with intelligent conservatives is that we tend to ascribe excessive intelligence to the actions of others, where simple malice or incompetence suffice as an explanation.

I believe it is rather difficult to underestimate most judges in any capacity, but especially in their capacity to default on the side of morality vs. legally pedantic process. Hence I believe it is simple to overestimate this judge's dedication to "doing the right thing".


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

33 posted on 09/21/2009 10:30:47 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: wxgesr

Yes, it’s a pretty awful disease.


34 posted on 09/21/2009 10:38:19 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: danamco

This is me, not giving a tinker’s damn about your hysterics.


35 posted on 09/21/2009 10:42:55 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: danamco

Some of the posters here are ACORN shills. I hope in court she has attorneys helping her. She also should have incorporated Leo’s suggestions on her case with Judge Carter. Leo found a huge opportunity there.

I am concerned that she will not listen to what experienced and competent attorneys tell her.


36 posted on 09/21/2009 11:06:38 AM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: Jack Black

No top quality attorney would get near this case if they wanted to survive in the law profession and in human life in general.


37 posted on 09/21/2009 11:12:32 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: cycle of discernment; RonDog

Rondog could help answer this question as he is in contact with Rhodes.


38 posted on 09/21/2009 11:13:29 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Frantzie
I suggest that there is a third possibility that exists that no one seems to have publicly mentioned — that Judge Land is brilliant by handing down a deliberately inflammatory ruling bordering on judicial misconduct thereby inviting Rule 11 discovery.

This has been mentioned on FR.

39 posted on 09/21/2009 11:58:49 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Frantzie

I see you found the thread... :-)


40 posted on 09/21/2009 12:00:59 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Hang'emAll; Red Steel; null and void; LucyT; BP2; STARWISE; MHGinTN; pissant; hoosiermama; ...
bump... of possible interest.

Also of note:

"Captain Connie Rhodes, Letter, Update, September 21, 2009, Letter prepared by acquaintance, Judge Land ruling, Rhodes deployment to Iraq
...

Mr. Frost stated that after speaking with his boss and the acquaintance assuring the Court an original would be sent after Capt. Rhodes arrives in Iraq, the court accepted the document."
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2009/09/21/captain-connie-rhodes-letter-update-september-21-2009-letter-prepared-by-acquaintance-judge-land-ruling-rhodes-deployment-to-iraq/#comments

And...

"Letter signed Capt. Connie Rhodes says she never OK'd appeal, says Rhodes will file complaint against attorney Orly Taitz

A letter filed Friday and signed Capt. Connie Rhodes, who filed a complaint Sept. 4 in U.S. District Court that sought to stop her deployment to Iraq by arguing that President Barack Obama can’t legitimately hold office, states that she never authorized her attorney to appeal a Wednesday ruling against her."
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/breaking_news/story/844811.html

41 posted on 09/21/2009 12:01:21 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Genoa
Brilliant or stupid. Either way, by moving Orly from plaintiff to defendant, he just might be blowing this whole thing wide open. Now, as the one in jeopardy, she gets a whole new set of rights and privileges.

Sorry, but there is not a chance of this blowing anything wide open. She is being threatened with sanctions not for filing the lawsuit challenging Obama's eligibility, but only for filing a baseless motion for reconsideration (in that the motion for reconsideration did not address the legal grounds in the judge's original opinion). So she is not going to be able to take discovery into anything having to do with Obama's eligibility. The only issue is whether her motion for reconsideration was legally proper.

42 posted on 09/21/2009 12:11:13 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: rxsid
An acquaintance huh? Will see...

-snip-

From link. "I asked “would that acquaintance would be a Mr. Joe Parton,” and Mr. Frost said he would not give “his” name, and that the Court has accepted the document as authentic. Mr. Frost also stated that “if the Court does not receive an original from Iraq then there may be a problem.“

-snip-

"I have received an email address for Capt. Rhodes and will send her an email asking if she signed the letter. Which we already know the signature was “cut & pasted” and it appears with the permission of the Clerks office?”"

- end snip -

Funny that she couldn't do it herself.

43 posted on 09/21/2009 12:15:04 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Lurking Libertarian
This what you said in a similar case in March:

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To: cvq3842

Paragraph 63 is very important. If the judge is saying the lawsuit is frivolous and that the attorney and client should be sanctioned, then it opens the door to them showing just WHY it’s not frivolous. It’s not altogether dissimilar from accusing someone of libel - the accused then gets a chance to defend himself, truth being a defense. Could the judge be opening the door to a fuller airing of this issue without knowing it? I predict this Rule 11 hearing will go away quickly. If not, then again the door is opened a little more. If sanctions are applied without giving the parties a chance to defend themselves, then we have indeed gone beyond the looking glass.

The original order ruled the suit was frivolous becuase he tried to use the interpleader statute where it has no possible application. That has nothing to do with Obama's birth certificate. He will be sanctioned, and it will be upheld on appeal.

33 posted on Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:14:24 PM by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2208530/posts?page=33#33

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You struck out about Hemenway being sanctioned with a fine. No fine no appeal. The Judge ate his balls.

44 posted on 09/21/2009 12:28:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rocco55
... the court either did not read these documents or was summarily instructed by that same illegitimate ‘chain of command’ alleged above not to address [the questions,]” the motion said.

Accusing the judge of malpractice (blue) and/or dishonesty, subverting justice, and conspiracy? (red)

Probably not the smartest thing a lawyer could do.

45 posted on 09/21/2009 12:34:43 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Would you buy a used car from this man?)
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To: Red Steel
You struck out about Hemenway being sanctioned with a fine. No fine no appeal. The Judge ate his balls.

I didn't say Hemenway would be fined. I said he would be sanctioned. He was, with a reprimand. He could have appealed-- any sanction, whether or not it involves a monetary penalty, is appealable-- but Hemenway didn't.

46 posted on 09/21/2009 12:37:49 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...

~~PING!

So, I see the fact she herself did not
fax this letter has been allegedly
admitted, as a ‘friend’ sent it.

Still, the ID of the fax doc issue
and the Kinkos/Fedex/whoever could
NOT find any fax from their facility
at the time the fax indicated .. right ?


47 posted on 09/21/2009 12:39:50 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

I figured you would wiggle your way. You know dang well what you meant at the time. I doubt Hemenway cares what this judge thinks.


48 posted on 09/21/2009 12:41:27 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Frantzie

I hope Judge Carter understands Marines are dying because of the Islamist’s rules of engagement in Afghnaistan.
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Judge Carter understands , he has visited Afghanistan himself... he must also understand how dangerous Obama is in foreign affairs and such , if Obama continues to kick Israel , Poland and deny troops needed for victory in Afghanistan we could end up in a world of hurt. I’d say Obamas actions as CIC would lead most thinking people to question what team he’s on and isn’t that precisely why we have the NBC rule in the first place.


49 posted on 09/21/2009 1:42:41 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer

Judge Carter appears to have the depth of character which would do the right thing. If Barry is an NBC with no cloud upon his bonefides, you could expect Judge Carter to so rule without allowing what he may ‘feel’ about the CiC malfeasance to enter into his decision. THAT is the sort of character his military service instilled in him and which is so often missing in liberal minds. Compare Judge Carter’s methodology with Judge Clay Land’s nasty little outburst dealing with the same poorly educated lawyer. Carter respects the law, Land appears to be a ‘respecter of persons’ ... and IMHO as corrupt as any good ol’ boy cracker you’ll ever hope to never come before in a court of law.


50 posted on 09/21/2009 1:47:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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