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Buffalo Teachers Paid Not To Teach
2 On Your Side ^ | 9/15/2009

Posted on 09/21/2009 8:12:54 AM PDT by george76

over the last six years, Buffalo taxpayers have paid millions of dollars to teachers not to teach.

Twelve different teachers have collected $2.25 million in salary while under suspension and waiting for disciplinary hearings during that time.

And that amount doesn't include the costs for substitutes and the hearings themselves.

The average wait for those hearings: three years.

The school district doesn't release the names of the teachers, or what they've been charged with, but we've learned that right now there's a Physical Education teacher awaiting a hearing who was suspended four years ago this month and has been paid close to a quarter of a million dollars during that time.

The culprit is a state education law - "3020a".

It requires that any teacher with tenure who's facing disciplinary charges have a hearing before an independent arbitrator, where both the teacher and the school district can call witnesses and present evidence.

(Excerpt) Read more at wgrz.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: academia; arth; buffalo; buffalotaxpayers; governmentschools; nea; publicschools; school; schools; taxpayers; teacher; teachers; teachersunion; teachersunions; teacherunion; teacherunions; tenure; unions

1 posted on 09/21/2009 8:12:54 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

That’s OK. Given the quality of teachers in Buffalo - this may have helped the students, It may have conferred a net benefit to society to keep these chumps out of the classroom.


2 posted on 09/21/2009 8:16:29 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: george76
(Alabama) Teacher Still Getting Paid After Being Fired And Sent To Prison For 10 Years

Unions are destroying the USA.

3 posted on 09/21/2009 8:17:51 AM PDT by blam
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

I’m sure it conferred a benefit to have these teachers out of the classroom. It’s just that the cost of that benefit is too high. We should be able to get the benefits of their idolence for free.


4 posted on 09/21/2009 8:18:27 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't anthropomorphize the robots. They hate that.)
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To: metmom; The Mayor; neverdem

The culprit is a state education law - “3020a”.


6 posted on 09/21/2009 8:20:04 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

The New York City school system used to have a large building on Livingston Street in Brooklyn that was set aside for ex-principals and former school administrators. They were people with political connections who had proven to be too incompetent and unpopular to remain in their jobs. So they were “promoted” to Livingston Street, with large raises in pay, where they lived out the remainder of their careers “adminstering” the school system.

I think they’ve moved them somewhere else since then, but I’ll bet they’re still there—in New York and every other union-controlled city.


7 posted on 09/21/2009 8:20:59 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: george76

8 posted on 09/21/2009 8:24:19 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: george76

Another reason why ‘tenure’ should NOT exist.

End it....NOW.

No other job has tenure—closest job might be the Pope.


9 posted on 09/21/2009 8:25:16 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Morgana

3 years is a long time for due process.


10 posted on 09/21/2009 8:33:26 AM PDT by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: 2Jedismom; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; AngieGal; Antoninus; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

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11 posted on 09/21/2009 8:34:39 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: george76
Suspended teachers, who are eventually found guilty, are getting a sweet deal. The taxpayer is the victim in those cases.

Teachers, who were falsely charged (it happens a lot), are the victims. They have to endure years living under a cloud of suspicion — or even being social outcasts. They aren't doing the work they trained for & their career will never get back on the rails.

Justice delayed is justice denied. The process needs to be expedited. Blame everyone responsible for the wonky process for this situation — not the suspended teachers, who should be considered innocent until found guilty.

12 posted on 09/21/2009 8:45:10 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: wiggen

3 years is a long time for due process.


3 years would be too long for the non-guilty and ethical person. Even with pay.

Such a condition leaves you with a corrupt person who is content with a cloud of guilt as long as the paycheck keeps coming.


13 posted on 09/21/2009 8:46:25 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: george76

NY State has had teachers who ultimately went to prison as child molesters who were able to sit home and draw full pay/benefits for 2+ yrs. while they exhausted all of their court appeals.


14 posted on 09/21/2009 8:51:07 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

re: endure years living under a cloud of suspicion

I doubt that in today’s world they can ever make a come back after the experience. Great damage is done them moment someone accuses them, even if it is quickly shown to be a false charge. Every day, week, month, year the process takes to reach it conclusion just adds to the damage.

Juvenile law being what it has become these days a few kids can get together, make up a story and accuse a teacher they don’t like, knowing full well it could destroy the teacher but they will pay virtually no price at all.

That will change only if, and when, the consequences for making a false charge are more negative than the reward they get by making it.

There are lots of jobs I would not care to have these days. Being a teacher is way up there on the list!


15 posted on 09/21/2009 8:59:59 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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At least they are not doing any harm..............


16 posted on 09/21/2009 9:41:45 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: steveyp

exactly. you know unions drag the process out on behalf of their members too.


17 posted on 09/21/2009 9:59:30 AM PDT by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: blam
"Unions are destroying the USA. "

You got that right!

18 posted on 09/21/2009 11:32:04 AM PDT by ronnyquest (That's what governments are for: to get in a man's way.)
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To: george76

New York City’s budget for Teachers who are paid not to teach is approximately $100,000,000.00. Really.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/08/31/090831fa_fact_brill

Long article but breathtaking in terms of the sick, corrupt power teacher’s unions have amassed over education.


19 posted on 09/21/2009 11:44:00 AM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter
I was going to link to that article, too. Just amazing in a sick to your stomach sort of way. If you can't read the whole thing just read the section that starts on page 4 that begins: "One morning in July, I attended a session of the arbitration hearing for Lucienne Mohammed,"
20 posted on 09/21/2009 11:50:23 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: george76

Just posted this in my blog. http://Albanysinsanity.com

Isn’t this just typical! And it sucks. How the hell they can even try to explain this away, it’s an abomination. What crap, absolute crap. And we wonder why the budget for the City of Buffalo School district is 3/4 of a billion dollars.


21 posted on 09/21/2009 7:45:10 PM PDT by The Mayor (A friend is the first person who comes in when the whole world has gone out)
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To: george76

How about they all find a job and if you are found innocent you get back pay. That or they could make you reimburse the county if you are found guilty. I bet that would get some of them motivated to agree on an arbitrator. Who would be agreeable if they were going to keep paying them. And a huge portion of this country wants the government to run healthcare too? Unreal!


22 posted on 09/22/2009 2:47:06 PM PDT by christianhomeschoolmommaof3
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To: george76
there's a Physical Education teacher awaiting a hearing who was suspended four years ago this month and has been paid close to a quarter of a million dollars during that time.

That averages to roughly $62,500/year. For a PE teacher. Talk about overpaid, what a joke.

23 posted on 09/22/2009 8:40:16 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (The DemocRat Party is no longer an American political party.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
I do blame the suspended teachers.....they belong to a wicked union that has a stranglehold on our schools and making them nightmares for our kids....

our kids in general are not learning and not keeping up with other kids in the world....

yes, I blame the teachers....

24 posted on 09/22/2009 11:53:49 PM PDT by cherry
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To: jwparkerjr

a teacher backed by the powerful NEA will have no problem getting back to work....they’ll have kept their seniority and their pay and pension will have kept pace, just like if they had actually done some meaningful work....


25 posted on 09/22/2009 11:56:02 PM PDT by cherry
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To: george76

The classroom bureaucrats’ union keeps getting dues while the classroom bureaucrat is being paid for sitting at home.

We need to do away with the socialized school system and return to a capitalist system. Government schools have no place in a free society.

http://www.schoolandstate.org/case.htm


26 posted on 09/23/2009 3:01:42 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: cherry

Interesting take. Frankly, for some reason I was envisioning a teacher who is not really a pedal-to-the-metal union member. There are teachers who belong to the union but don’t really like a lot of what it does. My aunt was one of those for 30 plus years. She supported them to the extent her conservative background would permit. I heard her say a number of times she wished it weren’t necessary to have a union, but the school board and an individual school’s administration often made it a necessary evil. She regretted the fact it was needed at all, felt it just opened the door for the union to spread like a fungus.

But you are certainly correct!


27 posted on 09/23/2009 4:56:59 AM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: george76

Most teachers work their asses off. I grew up watching two of them. Even the weekends at my house centered around grading papers. Even after watching that, I might get into the game myself. I encourage any poster who thinks that most teachers are lazy overpaid bums to become a teacher. Do it right rather than complaining online about the few who do it wrong.


28 posted on 09/23/2009 5:02:49 AM PDT by mysterio
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