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Afghanistan could be lost within a year: US commander
AFP on Yahoo ^ | 9/21/09 | AFP

Posted on 09/21/2009 9:50:02 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (AFP) – The top US and NATO commander in Afghanistan warned President Barack Obama in a confidential report that the war against the Taliban could be lost within a year without more troops.

In a grim assessment of the eight-year conflict leaked to the Washington Post and published Monday, General Stanley McChrystal said a new strategy was needed and warned that "inadequate resources will likely result in failure.

"Failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near-term (next 12 months) -- while Afghan security capacity matures -- risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible," he wrote.

The report was presented to Defense Secretary Robert Gates on August 30 and is being reviewed by the White House, with McChrystal widely expected to make a formal request to increase the 62,000-strong US force.

McChrystal, who assumed command of international troops in Afghanistan in June, said the campaign in Afghanistan "has been historically under-resourced and remains so today."

This fact risks "a longer conflict, greater casualties, higher overall costs, and ultimately, a critical loss of political support. Any of these risks, in turn, are likely to result in mission failure," he wrote.

The 66-page document -- a declassified version of which is published at www.washingtonpost.com -- describes a strengthening, intelligent Taliban insurgency.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bho44; bhodod; bhogwot; commander; lost; mcchrystal; mhmmdnsm09212009; obama; oef; wot

1 posted on 09/21/2009 9:50:03 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Gee... BHO was hoping for 6 months.


2 posted on 09/21/2009 9:51:29 AM PDT by BigFinn (Isa 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Didn’t this McChrystal guy only just take over!?

What were his predecessors doing??


3 posted on 09/21/2009 9:51:33 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Marking Time On The Government's Dime)
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WaPo pdf file

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/Assessment_Redacted_092109.pdf?hpid=topnews


4 posted on 09/21/2009 9:52:17 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s 1965 again...and Obama is playing the role of LBJ.


5 posted on 09/21/2009 9:52:45 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: NormsRevenge

But,but I thought this was the right war, the good war.....every pundit, anti-American and anti-War person said so. What happened.................????


6 posted on 09/21/2009 9:52:59 AM PDT by yoe (Obama, America's first Communist Czar)
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To: BigFinn

Muslim CIC ordering our Marines to not shoot back with Islamo-Rules of Engagement.

I hope Judge Carter and maybe one or two other honest judges are paying attention.


7 posted on 09/21/2009 9:53:32 AM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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Graphic on the number of troops serving with the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan. US General Stanley McChrystal -- the top US and NATO commander in Afghanistan -- has warned President Barack Obama in a confidential report that the war against the Taliban could be lost within a year without more troops. (AFP Graphic)


8 posted on 09/21/2009 9:55:40 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: yoe
“But,but I thought this was the right war, the good war.....every pundit, anti-American and anti-War person said so. What happened.................????”

I've been saying for years Iraq was the easy war, do they WANT to listen? Nah.

Pull us out of the war we're winning and get us in deeper in the war we're losing, now that's change you can believe in!

9 posted on 09/21/2009 9:56:13 AM PDT by jpf (Obama's been President for like 15 minutes and I'm a better person already.)
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Afghan President Hamid Karzai extended an olive branch Sunday to Taliban militants trying to overthrow his Western-backed government as he marked the start of the Muslim Eid al-Fitr festival. (AFPTV)


10 posted on 09/21/2009 9:56:31 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge
This fact risks "a longer conflict, greater casualties, higher overall costs, and ultimately, a critical loss of political support. Any of these risks, in turn, are likely to result in mission failure," he wrote.

What exactly is the "mission" anyway, chief?

11 posted on 09/21/2009 9:58:54 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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To: Bobkk47

I can see Zero now, in a basement room of the White House, picking out airstrike targets on a big floor map.


12 posted on 09/21/2009 10:00:17 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Ram "Health Care Reform" down our throats in '09, and we'll ram it up your @ss in '10.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Mr. OB what is your exit strategy?

Where are the peace demonstrations in major cities?

Why isn't Code Punk calling for impeachment?

13 posted on 09/21/2009 10:01:11 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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Something stink, O?

afp


14 posted on 09/21/2009 10:01:32 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge

“.... leaked to the Washington Post....)

During a time of war, these leakers should be hunted down and killed on the spot.

Those that receive and then irresponsibly publish the leaks, should meet the same fate.


15 posted on 09/21/2009 10:01:38 AM PDT by Gator113 (YES WE CAN.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cMxJBenigY&feature=related)
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To: NormsRevenge

Obama’s endgame discussed by a military chief...


16 posted on 09/21/2009 10:03:05 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NormsRevenge

Geezuz - why are reports like this being made public??

Talk about a propaganda windfall for the taliban.


17 posted on 09/21/2009 10:05:11 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Welcome to the Revolution.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Perhaps I'm traumatized by my experience in Vietnam but I'm concerned that the war is unwinnable. Not because of any lack of courage or dedication by our superb military but because that county is not really a country but an accumulation of tribes and medieval warlords who are, at least for the present, beyond redemption.

We need to get our minds around the fact that there is a strong justification for assigning collective responsibility for any tribe(s) in Afghanistan that supports al Queda.

We can't bomb them into the stone age but we may just have to obliterate whole tribes to wipe out those who support our enemies.

18 posted on 09/21/2009 10:09:26 AM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Obama: "Bomb this group of... things.
Adviser: "Those are dust bunnies."
19 posted on 09/21/2009 10:10:22 AM PDT by Rodebrecht (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: oneolcop

Naw, you’re just a clear thinking individual!


20 posted on 09/21/2009 10:12:22 AM PDT by refermech
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To: NormsRevenge

This is BS! The war is winnable, we have to up our nasty factor. Be thorough and keep it quiet. No MSM what so ever. A little harsh, but after awhile there is a breaking point at the Mr. Nice guy level.


21 posted on 09/21/2009 10:17:06 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR "PALIN"!)
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To: NormsRevenge
General Stanley McChrystal said a new strategy was needed and warned that "inadequate resources will likely result in failure.

Way to play chess sir.....while catching this WH playing checkers on this issue of NS.

22 posted on 09/21/2009 10:24:19 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: oneolcop
» but we may just have to obliterate whole tribes to wipe out those who support our enemies.

I see no problem with your approach. I rather like it.

And if the hippies, Kossites, CodePinks, etal. want to act as "human shields"? Fine, wipe them out too!

23 posted on 09/21/2009 10:24:27 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
» The war is winnable, we have to up our nasty factor. Be thorough and keep it quiet. No MSM what so ever. A little harsh, but after awhile there is a breaking point at the Mr. Nice guy level.

The "Jacksonian" approach. I love it. Works every time!

24 posted on 09/21/2009 10:25:50 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: oneolcop
The tribal issue is a problem, but the taliban is a single enemy. The biggest problem we face is that the Taliban are freely operating out of a neighboring country that we have to ship supplies through. The intelligence service in Pakistan is totally in bed with the Taliban, as well.

There is a huge downside if we quit in Afghanistan. We will leave the country in the same shape it was before, in a state of civil war. The Taliban will continue to host terrorist training camps. The Pakistani government will continue to allow travel in and out of Afghanistan of terrorists.

We are going to have to fight this war. The question is whether we fight it in Afghanistan or on the streets the Western World.

25 posted on 09/21/2009 10:28:01 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: refermech

As I understand it there are villages that have risked much to *save* our troops. I don’t think we can generalize here. (Making the situation all the more difficult)


26 posted on 09/21/2009 10:28:50 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: NormsRevenge

zero: “Allah akbar!”


27 posted on 09/21/2009 10:55:39 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: USNBandit

The key to Afghanistan has always been, since Spring 2002, the safe sanctuaries in Pakistan, whose army, elites, politicians and jihadis been absolutely Machiavellian in their dealings with America.

I don’t think we have the will in the country for the effort required.

The domestic timetable of next year’s elections may be driving this more than anything else, with many Democrats wanting to bug out. Obama may well have to depend on the Republicans for any further Afghani effort.

Don’t think he will. Let’s see.

We’ll end up back there anyway in a few years.

In the meantime, the region seems to be preparing for a power vacuum in Afghanistan.....there’s an article posted (search keyword india).....


28 posted on 09/21/2009 11:15:58 AM PDT by swarthyguy (MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
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To: oneolcop
We can't bomb them into the stone age but we may just have to obliterate whole tribes to wipe out those who support our enemies.

A tried, true and ancient method: Hamstring their horses and burn their chariots.

29 posted on 09/21/2009 11:28:14 AM PDT by naturalized
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To: oneolcop

So far, all we have done is stomp an anthill and watch ‘em swarm up our leg. I’d dust the hill, but I’m not holding the insect powder. We can never pacify them, only kill them.


30 posted on 09/21/2009 11:42:00 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Obama = Jim Jones coercing us into suicide on a national scale)
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To: oneolcop

We can’t ask our troops to do what is necessary. I wouldn’t let my troops wipe out a village for supporting Al Qaeda - these guys gotta live with themselves and we have to bring them home someday.

Fortunately, there IS another way.

As you pointed out, there is no “Afghanistan.” There are a bunch of tribes whose attitudes toward each other range from distrust to outright hatred and contempt. We should exploit this and keep our troops out of harm’s way.

We need to recruit a “colonial” force from a single, favored tribe to do the things we can’t and shouldn’t ask of our troops - like wiping out entire villages for supporting or sheltering Al Qaeda or the Taliban.

Our presence should be limited to providing the air support and other support (mostly technological) functions the various tribes are incapable of providing themselves. With a little luck, we don’t sustain any casualties that we actually care about.

Hopefully, “our” tribe will eventually become supreme. Then there might be some hope of a “nation” of Afghanistan.


31 posted on 09/21/2009 11:46:24 AM PDT by Little Ray (Obama is a kamikaze president aimed at the heart of this Republic.)
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To: swarthyguy
The other thing to remember is that we are getting to the end of war season in Afghanistan. The Taliban will have to retreat back to their safe havens in Pakistan before the first snow.

If they don't they will be obliterated. I remember when the press started going batty over the "Taliban Offensive," or what the rest of the world calls Spring.

32 posted on 09/21/2009 11:57:41 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: NormsRevenge

How hard is it to send more troops? I mean he’s already removed many from Iraq and this was suppose to be the place of focus....now he’s seemly giving up on it.....I don’t get it...


33 posted on 09/21/2009 12:19:10 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: Rick_Michael
I mean he’s already removed many from Iraq

Simply untrue but this has to be the best kept secret of the year. 130,000 troops remain in Iraq, about as many as when he took office.

As to you broader point, I can't understand why do conservatives want to give Obama more blood and treasure to help a bunch of corrupt warlords in Afghanistan. What's the deal with that?

34 posted on 09/21/2009 12:33:27 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Rick_Michael
.now he’s seemly giving up on it.....I don’t get it... -------------------------- I think his inexperience and his reluctance to make a decision is at play here. It's hard for a politician who has voted "present" all of his career to suddenly have to make a hard decision, one that he'll have to live with, one that he'll be responsible for, one that he'll be severely criticized for and one that he owns completely.
35 posted on 09/21/2009 12:38:09 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (bigger government = smaller people)
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To: TonyRo76
I see no problem with your approach. I rather like it

No problem with killing each and every little old lady and baby in those tribes, eh? That's what "obliterate" means btw. Just so we're clear.

36 posted on 09/21/2009 1:02:50 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Bobkk47

It takes a Democrat to lose a war.


37 posted on 09/21/2009 1:50:22 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: USNBandit
The American people are beginning to see that this is the wrong place to "win hearts and minds". While we will have to fight "this war" (against fundamentalist islam -yes, this is a religious war) we don't have to fight it on their terms and on their turf.

As Little Ray said, we could pay an Afghan tribe to do our "dirty work" for us. It would be a lot cheaper than the way we're doing it right now, both in blood and money.

38 posted on 09/21/2009 2:09:00 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: Rick_Michael
Sir: Our troops are exhausted by the wars. We have them in a cycle where they spend a year in Afghanistan (6 months for marines) a year resting and refitting This entails psychological rehabilitation, if needed, repair of equipment, family time, replacements miscellaneous training, etc. The third year is getting ready for the next deployment. Training, integration of new troops, weapons qualifications, receiving new equipment from depots, packing up their equipment, shipping it via ship to theater and deployment.

With the size of the Army there are not enough troops to rest them any longer. Families are shortchanged, the men and women's morale is suffering and the equipment, tanks, armored fighting vehicles, trucks, HMMV's, helicopters, radios, etc. are wearing out at something like three times the non wartime rate. Currently, the Army has about 44 combat brigades in total. Divide that number by the number of missions they have to cover: Iraq, Afghanistan, North Africa, Korea, etc. and you see that there just aren't enough to go around.

Unfortunately, even with the USMC's 201,000 troops and the National Guard and Reserves the ground forces of the United States are stretched to the max. Ad to that the fact that BHOzo's ideology and his minions are utterly incompetent and we have the mess we're in.

Of course there are those who argue that this whole thing is Boosh's fault...like he attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

39 posted on 09/21/2009 2:38:25 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the hell out of the way!)
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To: NormsRevenge
So what exactly is our objective? How will we know when we have won? What specifically are we doing to achieve victory?

If Obama can't answer those questions, its time to leave...

40 posted on 09/21/2009 2:44:33 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: Captain Kirk

thanks for your correction, sir. I appreciate knowing the facts.


41 posted on 09/21/2009 3:17:03 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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To: Old Sarge

The Talibs are now used to our present. Easily startled, but will soon return and in greater numbers!


42 posted on 09/21/2009 4:55:13 PM PDT by omega4179 (We must be the change.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounds Accurate.


43 posted on 09/21/2009 5:13:28 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Captain Kirk
“No problem with killing each and every little old lady and baby in those tribes, eh? That's what “obliterate” means btw. Just so we're clear.”

A most interesting line, and worth further analysis.

Since we are dealing with guerrilla war, it is well to remember Mao's observation that the guerrilla ‘swims in the sea of peasants like a fish in the sea”.

Therefor, drain the sea of peasants. Or, in this case, use fuel/air bombs to wipe out villages supporting the Taliban.

Another observation worth contemplating is, “The Muslim understands best power and vengeance”.

However, Churchill said it best in The River War, 1899:

CHURCHILL ON ISLAM

Here is what Churchill said, in its entirety, about the horrific battle
to wrest the Sudan from the jihadists of the 19th century:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as
hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The
effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly
systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of
property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A
degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the
next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as
his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased
to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid
qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social
development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists
in the world.
Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing
faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless
warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in
the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly
struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the
civilisation of ancient Rome.”

Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II,
pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

44 posted on 09/21/2009 8:44:00 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: TonyRo76

The “Jacksonian” approach. I love it. Works every time! ............................... Like Thriller? With a red jacket, a while glove and fancy moves? The Taliban will die laughing. ;^) ( But you mean Stonewall of course)


45 posted on 09/21/2009 8:50:13 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR "PALIN"!)
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To: USNBandit

Essentially we’re are beating ourselves, I find some of the media coverage so defeatist that if you aren’t a devoted follower of incountry news, you’d think it’s all over.

It’s not. And saddens me that so many are willing to leave a place that will be threatening to us in no time at all. But unless we have the resolve to deal with Pakistan, there is no solution to Afghanistan.

Abu Jihad would definitely have Uncle Sam’s scalp pinned on his turban.


46 posted on 09/22/2009 11:07:12 AM PDT by swarthyguy (MEAT, the new tobacco. Your right to eat meat ends where my planetary ecosystem begins.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Stonewall definitely fits the bill too, although I was originally thinking of Old Hickory...

The Jacksonian Tradition

47 posted on 09/29/2009 6:40:43 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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