Skip to comments.Afghanistan could be lost within a year: US commander
Posted on 09/21/2009 9:50:02 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
WASHINGTON (AFP) The top US and NATO commander in Afghanistan warned President Barack Obama in a confidential report that the war against the Taliban could be lost within a year without more troops.
In a grim assessment of the eight-year conflict leaked to the Washington Post and published Monday, General Stanley McChrystal said a new strategy was needed and warned that "inadequate resources will likely result in failure.
"Failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near-term (next 12 months) -- while Afghan security capacity matures -- risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible," he wrote.
The report was presented to Defense Secretary Robert Gates on August 30 and is being reviewed by the White House, with McChrystal widely expected to make a formal request to increase the 62,000-strong US force.
McChrystal, who assumed command of international troops in Afghanistan in June, said the campaign in Afghanistan "has been historically under-resourced and remains so today."
This fact risks "a longer conflict, greater casualties, higher overall costs, and ultimately, a critical loss of political support. Any of these risks, in turn, are likely to result in mission failure," he wrote.
The 66-page document -- a declassified version of which is published at www.washingtonpost.com -- describes a strengthening, intelligent Taliban insurgency.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
Gee... BHO was hoping for 6 months.
Didn’t this McChrystal guy only just take over!?
What were his predecessors doing??
WaPo pdf file
It’s 1965 again...and Obama is playing the role of LBJ.
But,but I thought this was the right war, the good war.....every pundit, anti-American and anti-War person said so. What happened.................????
Muslim CIC ordering our Marines to not shoot back with Islamo-Rules of Engagement.
I hope Judge Carter and maybe one or two other honest judges are paying attention.
Graphic on the number of troops serving with the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan. US General Stanley McChrystal -- the top US and NATO commander in Afghanistan -- has warned President Barack Obama in a confidential report that the war against the Taliban could be lost within a year without more troops. (AFP Graphic)
I've been saying for years Iraq was the easy war, do they WANT to listen? Nah.
Pull us out of the war we're winning and get us in deeper in the war we're losing, now that's change you can believe in!
Afghan President Hamid Karzai extended an olive branch Sunday to Taliban militants trying to overthrow his Western-backed government as he marked the start of the Muslim Eid al-Fitr festival. (AFPTV)
What exactly is the "mission" anyway, chief?
I can see Zero now, in a basement room of the White House, picking out airstrike targets on a big floor map.
Where are the peace demonstrations in major cities?
Why isn't Code Punk calling for impeachment?
“.... leaked to the Washington Post....)
During a time of war, these leakers should be hunted down and killed on the spot.
Those that receive and then irresponsibly publish the leaks, should meet the same fate.
Obama’s endgame discussed by a military chief...
Geezuz - why are reports like this being made public??
Talk about a propaganda windfall for the taliban.
We need to get our minds around the fact that there is a strong justification for assigning collective responsibility for any tribe(s) in Afghanistan that supports al Queda.
We can't bomb them into the stone age but we may just have to obliterate whole tribes to wipe out those who support our enemies.
Naw, you’re just a clear thinking individual!
This is BS! The war is winnable, we have to up our nasty factor. Be thorough and keep it quiet. No MSM what so ever. A little harsh, but after awhile there is a breaking point at the Mr. Nice guy level.
Way to play chess sir.....while catching this WH playing checkers on this issue of NS.
I see no problem with your approach. I rather like it.
And if the hippies, Kossites, CodePinks, etal. want to act as "human shields"? Fine, wipe them out too!
The "Jacksonian" approach. I love it. Works every time!
There is a huge downside if we quit in Afghanistan. We will leave the country in the same shape it was before, in a state of civil war. The Taliban will continue to host terrorist training camps. The Pakistani government will continue to allow travel in and out of Afghanistan of terrorists.
We are going to have to fight this war. The question is whether we fight it in Afghanistan or on the streets the Western World.
As I understand it there are villages that have risked much to *save* our troops. I don’t think we can generalize here. (Making the situation all the more difficult)
zero: “Allah akbar!”
The key to Afghanistan has always been, since Spring 2002, the safe sanctuaries in Pakistan, whose army, elites, politicians and jihadis been absolutely Machiavellian in their dealings with America.
I don’t think we have the will in the country for the effort required.
The domestic timetable of next year’s elections may be driving this more than anything else, with many Democrats wanting to bug out. Obama may well have to depend on the Republicans for any further Afghani effort.
Don’t think he will. Let’s see.
We’ll end up back there anyway in a few years.
In the meantime, the region seems to be preparing for a power vacuum in Afghanistan.....there’s an article posted (search keyword india).....
A tried, true and ancient method: Hamstring their horses and burn their chariots.
So far, all we have done is stomp an anthill and watch ‘em swarm up our leg. I’d dust the hill, but I’m not holding the insect powder. We can never pacify them, only kill them.
We can’t ask our troops to do what is necessary. I wouldn’t let my troops wipe out a village for supporting Al Qaeda - these guys gotta live with themselves and we have to bring them home someday.
Fortunately, there IS another way.
As you pointed out, there is no Afghanistan. There are a bunch of tribes whose attitudes toward each other range from distrust to outright hatred and contempt. We should exploit this and keep our troops out of harms way.
We need to recruit a colonial force from a single, favored tribe to do the things we cant and shouldnt ask of our troops - like wiping out entire villages for supporting or sheltering Al Qaeda or the Taliban.
Our presence should be limited to providing the air support and other support (mostly technological) functions the various tribes are incapable of providing themselves. With a little luck, we dont sustain any casualties that we actually care about.
Hopefully, “our” tribe will eventually become supreme. Then there might be some hope of a nation of Afghanistan.
If they don't they will be obliterated. I remember when the press started going batty over the "Taliban Offensive," or what the rest of the world calls Spring.
How hard is it to send more troops? I mean he’s already removed many from Iraq and this was suppose to be the place of focus....now he’s seemly giving up on it.....I don’t get it...
Simply untrue but this has to be the best kept secret of the year. 130,000 troops remain in Iraq, about as many as when he took office.
As to you broader point, I can't understand why do conservatives want to give Obama more blood and treasure to help a bunch of corrupt warlords in Afghanistan. What's the deal with that?
No problem with killing each and every little old lady and baby in those tribes, eh? That's what "obliterate" means btw. Just so we're clear.
It takes a Democrat to lose a war.
As Little Ray said, we could pay an Afghan tribe to do our "dirty work" for us. It would be a lot cheaper than the way we're doing it right now, both in blood and money.
With the size of the Army there are not enough troops to rest them any longer. Families are shortchanged, the men and women's morale is suffering and the equipment, tanks, armored fighting vehicles, trucks, HMMV's, helicopters, radios, etc. are wearing out at something like three times the non wartime rate. Currently, the Army has about 44 combat brigades in total. Divide that number by the number of missions they have to cover: Iraq, Afghanistan, North Africa, Korea, etc. and you see that there just aren't enough to go around.
Unfortunately, even with the USMC's 201,000 troops and the National Guard and Reserves the ground forces of the United States are stretched to the max. Ad to that the fact that BHOzo's ideology and his minions are utterly incompetent and we have the mess we're in.
Of course there are those who argue that this whole thing is Boosh's fault...like he attacked the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
If Obama can't answer those questions, its time to leave...
thanks for your correction, sir. I appreciate knowing the facts.
The Talibs are now used to our present. Easily startled, but will soon return and in greater numbers!
A most interesting line, and worth further analysis.
Since we are dealing with guerrilla war, it is well to remember Mao's observation that the guerrilla ‘swims in the sea of peasants like a fish in the sea”.
Therefor, drain the sea of peasants. Or, in this case, use fuel/air bombs to wipe out villages supporting the Taliban.
Another observation worth contemplating is, “The Muslim understands best power and vengeance”.
However, Churchill said it best in The River War, 1899:
CHURCHILL ON ISLAM
Here is what Churchill said, in its entirety, about the horrific battle
to wrest the Sudan from the jihadists of the 19th century:
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as
hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The
effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly
systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of
property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A
degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the
next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as
his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased
to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid
qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social
development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists
in the world.
Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing
faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless
warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in
the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly
struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the
civilisation of ancient Rome.”
Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II,
pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).
The “Jacksonian” approach. I love it. Works every time! ............................... Like Thriller? With a red jacket, a while glove and fancy moves? The Taliban will die laughing. ;^) ( But you mean Stonewall of course)
Essentially we’re are beating ourselves, I find some of the media coverage so defeatist that if you aren’t a devoted follower of incountry news, you’d think it’s all over.
It’s not. And saddens me that so many are willing to leave a place that will be threatening to us in no time at all. But unless we have the resolve to deal with Pakistan, there is no solution to Afghanistan.
Abu Jihad would definitely have Uncle Sam’s scalp pinned on his turban.
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