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Douglas Kmiec Calls Obama's Pro-Abortion Stance: "My Catechism Come to Life"
Life News ^ | 9/21/09 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 09/21/2009 3:49:34 PM PDT by wagglebee

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- In a new interview that is certain to upset pro-life Catholics, dissident Catholic professor Douglas Kmiec continues to claim that pro-abortion President Barack Obama takes a pro-life view.

He says he was so excited talking about abortion with Obama during the campaign that he said Obama's views made him think his candidacy was "my catechism come to life."

Kmiec, a former Pepperdine University law professor whose covering up Obama's pro-abortion views during the election drew a rebuke from Denver Archbishop Charles Chaput, receive a reward from Obama by being named as the ambassador to Malta.

In an interview with The Times of Malta, Kmiec recounts how he became an Obama supporter.

"Even though there were areas of disagreement, Mr Obama pointed out the responsibility of government to provide a family wage, to care for the environment and to provide healthcare for the uninsured," he said.

"When I thought about all these things, I thought 'this is my catechism come to life' because we are called to each of these things in the social teachings of the Church," he added.

Kmiec also told The Times of Malta of a conversation he had about abortion with Obama.

He said Obama asked him something like, "What would cause a mother to contemplate taking the life of a child? It has to be something awful. It has to be a woman without shelter, without insurance, without the next meal on the table."

Kmiec admitted that a pregnant woman's financial situation is no excuse for an abortion, but supported Obama anyway.

"I prayed on this," he said, and told the newspaper that he felt he ultimately followed Pope John Paul II's admonition that a Catholic not support a pro-abortion politician without it resulting in a move towards the pro-life perspective.

Kmiec, as he has done before, discounts Obama's clear pro-abortion record and immediate moves to expand taxpayer funding for abortions overseas, by claiming Obama is moving in a pro-life direction.

"Mr Obama has taken some steps towards this [pro-life position], perhaps not as fast as some would like," Kmiec concludes.

Kmiec also told the newspaper he has encouraged Obama to become pro-life and recalls how he told him, "How can you allow someone to terminate another person's life? What moral authority do you have for that?"

Obama replied: "Well, professor, not everyone sees life beginning in the same way. The Methodists see it differently, the Jewish faith in part sees it differently."

"If I am elected President," he told Kmiec, "I am President of all these people."

That, apparently, does not include the millions of women and unborn children who will be victimized by abortion on his watch.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhoabortion; catholic; douglaskmiec; kmiec; moralabsolutes; prolife; religiousleft
"Mr Obama has taken some steps towards this [pro-life position], perhaps not as fast as some would like," Kmiec concludes.

Kmiec is clearly mentally unstable.

1 posted on 09/21/2009 3:49:34 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 09/21/2009 3:50:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 09/21/2009 3:51:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 09/21/2009 3:51:59 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

>> Kmiec is clearly mentally unstable.

Kmiec is dancing with Satan.


5 posted on 09/21/2009 3:53:46 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: wagglebee
Agreed. My first thought was “is he insane”?
6 posted on 09/21/2009 3:55:17 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Brain tumour?

Seriously ... Dougie should get an MRI before 0bamacare makes it impossible.

7 posted on 09/21/2009 3:58:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: wagglebee

I’m still waiting for the Catholic Church to excommunicate apostates like Kmiec.....crickets chirping. Sure glad I won’t hold my breath!


8 posted on 09/21/2009 3:59:46 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

>> Brain tumour?

Maybe, but I still think Kmiec has decided that seeking the favor of men is more important than walking in God’s way. Granted, the pressure is great. But he has made his choice freely, in what he sees (mistakenly) as his own best interest.


9 posted on 09/21/2009 4:04:58 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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10 posted on 09/21/2009 4:10:56 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I’m more a Catholic than this guy is.

Of course, I agree with so much that is Catholic, whereas Kmeic or whatever his name is, is a FAKE Catholic. He should quit pretending and just become a Unitarian or Quaker.


11 posted on 09/21/2009 4:14:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: wagglebee

That’s JUDAS Kmeic, not Douglas.


12 posted on 09/21/2009 4:15:46 PM PDT by Juan Medén
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To: Nervous Tick

He either didn’t pray to the right Person, or he didn’t hear the answer.


“I prayed on this,” he said, and told the newspaper that he felt he ultimately followed Pope John Paul II’s admonition that a Catholic not support a pro-abortion politician without it resulting in a move towards the pro-life perspective.


13 posted on 09/21/2009 4:16:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: wagglebee
Obvious man-crush on Denzel..uh..I mean Barry.

Sick, Kmiec needs help.

14 posted on 09/21/2009 4:18:42 PM PDT by roses of sharon ( Reagan said, "When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.")
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To: wagglebee
Dear wagglebee,

He's not unstable. He's just a sell-out.

The Lord High Ambassador Plenipotentiary to Malta has received his 30 pieces of silver for aiding the murder of unborn millions.

Wow. Ambassador to Malta. He sold his soul for THAT. I'd laugh if it weren't so completely pathetic.


sitetest

15 posted on 09/21/2009 4:19:49 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
Wow. Ambassador to Malta. He sold his soul for THAT. I'd laugh if it weren't so completely pathetic.

Yep, Zero has several dozen "czars" and this guy gets shipped off to Malta.

16 posted on 09/21/2009 4:22:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee


We aborted babies can surely see your demons, Mr. Ambassador ... do you think Christ is blind?
17 posted on 09/21/2009 4:24:40 PM PDT by mlizzy (Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapels Everywhere spells P.E.A.C.E.)
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To: wagglebee
Yep, Zero has several dozen "czars" and this guy gets shipped off to Malta.

My best friend lives in Malta and although she says the people of Malta are trying to legalize divorce, it will be quite some time before they legalize abortion. I can't think of a better place for Doug than Malta. Lots of genuine Catholics. Maybe he'll experience a conversion.
18 posted on 09/21/2009 4:28:18 PM PDT by mlizzy (Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapels Everywhere spells P.E.A.C.E.)
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I have no doubt that Malta is a wonderful place and I know that it has a very strong Catholic population, but as far as prestigious ambassadorships go it’s WAY DOWN the list.


19 posted on 09/21/2009 4:32:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I don't think so, Mr. Kmiec. Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church REALLY says about abortion:

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches
2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

20 posted on 09/21/2009 4:32:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wagglebee

I’m sure if Kmiec came in contact with obummer’s Henry Knox , Knox would convert him on many things for sure.


21 posted on 09/21/2009 4:33:02 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("I never knew there were Martians in my garden...." J.Edgar Hoover,Fmr. Director, F.B.I.)
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To: wagglebee
I have no doubt that Malta is a wonderful place and I know that it has a very strong Catholic population, but as far as prestigious ambassadorships go it’s WAY DOWN the list.

Yes, God has a sense of humor!
22 posted on 09/21/2009 4:50:13 PM PDT by mlizzy (Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapels Everywhere spells P.E.A.C.E.)
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To: mlizzy

In terms of ambassadorships, the prestigious ones are to major allies or friendly nations and they generally go to major backers (either financial backers or retired politicians with a lot of influence) of the president, these are to places like the UK, Canada, Germany, France, Australia, Japan, Italy and Spain. These are typically “figurehead” posts as there are long-term foreign service people in the embassies who do the real work.

Ambassadorships to places where relationships can get “dicey” (Russia, China, Mexico, South American countries) or potential “hot spots” (Eastern Europe, Greece, Turkey, South Korea, Israel and the rest of the Middle East, India) and the United Nations generally go to people with extensive foreign policy experience.

Stable countries that are American allies, but not really crucial to American foreign policy go to people like Kmiec in return for their support.

I had heard that Kmiec wanted to be appointed to a Federal Appeals Court bench but Obama wouldn’t do it.


23 posted on 09/21/2009 5:07:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: sitetest
From A Man for All Seasons...

CROMWELL. Sir Richard is appointed Attorney-General for Wales.

THOMAS MORE. For Wales? Why, Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world . . . But for Wales!

24 posted on 09/21/2009 5:12:49 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: wagglebee
Yes, I'm sure it was the last place he wanted to go (he may have even asked, "Where's Malta?"); that's what makes it a little funny ...


25 posted on 09/21/2009 5:23:53 PM PDT by mlizzy (Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapels Everywhere spells P.E.A.C.E.)
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To: wagglebee

He sold his soul for fame and power. Been a story or two written about that over the years. None of them end well.


26 posted on 09/21/2009 5:56:12 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: wagglebee; cgk; Coleus; narses; Salvation; 8mmMauser; NYer; Pyro7480

Does anyone have a good idea what happened to this man? Brain injury? Demonic possesion? Family being held hostage?

I posted the link below in the past cause it seems impossible that it comes from the same person as this obozo supporter.

http://judiciary.house.gov:80/legacy/2187.htm Kmiec Statement re the Origins and Scope of Roe v_ Wade


27 posted on 09/21/2009 7:24:51 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: sitetest
Wow. Ambassador to Malta. He sold his soul for THAT. I'd laugh if it weren't so completely pathetic.

"But Richard - for WALES?"

28 posted on 09/21/2009 8:10:56 PM PDT by nina0113 (from A Man for All Seasons)
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To: omega4412

It does just jump to mind, doesn’t it? GREAT movie.


29 posted on 09/21/2009 8:12:41 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: wagglebee
the responsibility of government to provide a family wage

I know the ideal of Catholic social teaching is a living wage for the laborer, but how that occurs is a prudential matter, and I don't think Catholic teaching requires that the government, i.e., the taxpayers, pay every one a family wage.

He said Obama asked him something like, "What would cause a mother to contemplate taking the life of a child? It has to be something awful. It has to be a woman without shelter, without insurance, without the next meal on the table."

Maybe, but perhaps it could also be a young woman from a rich family for whom an abortion would be convenient in a society in which abortion is not discouraged in any way.

30 posted on 09/21/2009 8:37:08 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: wagglebee
"If I am elected President," the Empty Suit told Kmiec, "I am President of all these people."

He may be the President, but he's not my President! Never has been, never will be.
31 posted on 09/21/2009 11:04:52 PM PDT by Category Four (Joy, Fun, the Joke Proper, and Flippancy ... Flippancy is the best of all.)
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To: wagglebee
Mr Obama pointed out the responsibility of government to provide a family wage, to care for the environment and to provide healthcare for the uninsured," he said. "When I thought about all these things, I thought 'this is my catechism come to life' because we are called to each of these things in the social teachings of the Church," he added.

Oh, PLEASE! Having government do it for you is not what Jesus had in mind, IMO. Governments should not be in the business of leading people to temptation to avoid personal responsibility.

32 posted on 09/22/2009 8:53:37 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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To: sitetest

I am reminded of the powerful scene in A Man for All Seasons, the play about the heroic Catholic English Martyr, St. Thomas More. After Richard Rich has perjured himself in order to make it possible to convict Thomas More of treason, the Judge asks Thomas More if he has any questions for the witness. Thomas More notes that Richard Rich is wearing a chain of office and asks what it signifies. He is told that Richard Rich has been appointed Attorney General for Wales. Thomas More then paraphrases the Gospel saying to Richard Rich: “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul, but for Wales?”

http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/archives/2009/03/but-for-hhs.php


33 posted on 09/26/2009 9:04:46 PM PDT by victim soul
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