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Inside the Apocalyptic Soviet Doomsday Machine
2009-09-21 | Nicholas Thompson

Posted on 09/22/2009 7:35:18 PM PDT by justlurking

Link only, due to Wired's copyright complaints.

Inside the Apocalyptic Soviet Doomsday Machine

I'm posting this without any text, because I think it's important.

The "Doomsday" machine is apparently real, and still operational. Read the article for more details.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: bloodythirstycommies; coldwar; coldwar2; communismkills; communistplot; destruction; doomsdaymachine; drstrangelove; genreagan; georgecscott; mad; massmurder; mutualdestruction; mutuallyassured; nonukes; nuclearapocalypse; obamalegacy; putin; russia; sovietreunion; sovietunion; strangelove; usefulidiots; ussr; worldwar4; worldwariv

1 posted on 09/22/2009 7:35:19 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: justlurking

Marked for later read... that’s long.


2 posted on 09/22/2009 7:43:24 PM PDT by Gator113 (YES WE CAN.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cMxJBenigY&feature=related)
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To: justlurking
First in!


3 posted on 09/22/2009 7:44:43 PM PDT by rlmorel (You cannot reap the benefits right now of the planning ahead you didn't do in the past.)
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To: Gator113

Now then, Dmitri, you know how we’ve always talked about the possibility of something going wrong with the bomb. [pause] The BOMB, Dmitri! Well now, what happened is, uh, one of our base commanders, he had a sort of, well, he went a little funny in the head. You know. Just a little...funny. And uh, he went and did a silly thing. Well, I’ll tell you what he did, he ordered his planes...to attack your country


4 posted on 09/22/2009 7:46:18 PM PDT by hc87
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To: Gator113

Its a good read; picked it up from /. earlier today.


5 posted on 09/22/2009 7:46:41 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (The synonym decides above the combining remedy.)
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To: justlurking

It would still have to be maintained.

Not a small order.


6 posted on 09/22/2009 7:47:09 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: justlurking

Balthorium-G


7 posted on 09/22/2009 7:47:47 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: justlurking

WE MUST NOT ALLOW A MINESHAFT GAP!


8 posted on 09/22/2009 7:48:46 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (That's reicest you dirty rat dog Reicest you! Reicest I say! I gonna cutchu boy!)
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To: rlmorel; justlurking
The technical name was Perimeter, but some called it Mertvaya Ruka, or Dead Hand. It was built 25 years ago and remained a closely guarded secret.

Like Dr. Strangelove said in the movie. The entire purpose of the Dooms Day Machine is to instill the fear to attack; “Why didn’t you tell the world”

9 posted on 09/22/2009 7:48:57 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: webstersII

Don’t you mean Cobalt-Thorium-G?

Yes, I have no life...


10 posted on 09/22/2009 7:49:03 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: justlurking

The secret Closed Cities still operate in Russia.

The Yamantau Mountain complex continues to expand, using the money we send Russia to disarm.


11 posted on 09/22/2009 7:53:12 PM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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To: rlmorel
An interesting choice of images, because the article discusses Dr. Strangelove.

As you may remember, the attack by the rogue US general is expected to set off a Soviet doomsday machine. It results in the following conversation:

The KGB Colonel in this article claims that althought it was kept a secret, it actually calmed down the Soviet leadership -- because they no longer felt they needed to "launch on warning", as long as they thought this system would exact revenge.
12 posted on 09/22/2009 7:53:40 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: justlurking

In their heyday only about 80% of Soviet missiles would launch on the first attempt. I’d imagine its much much lower now.


13 posted on 09/22/2009 7:55:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: justlurking
Who ya gonna call??

Col. Kong is no longer available.


14 posted on 09/22/2009 7:57:25 PM PDT by skeptoid
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To: Palin Republic

Are these for REAL? I have a close friend who was in the Gulf War who said he actually saw these. Is this BS?


15 posted on 09/22/2009 7:57:56 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (http://www.muckety.com/7BECFF40501E647D3741343C37265A57.map)
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To: justlurking

Interesting. I wonder if the Russians have kept what would have to be a large number of computers, radio systems, and missiles maintained to the point that they would still work today.


16 posted on 09/22/2009 7:58:44 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: fishtank
It would still have to be maintained.

According to the article, it is still maintained.

It's not so much a "device", as a command-and-control system that will survive any attack. What makes it a "dead hand" system is procedures that activate if certain conditions are met... one of which is the cut-off of communications with the General Staff.

The US has a similar system: the Looking Glass that was airborne 24 hours/day until 1990. But, while it is still on continuous alert, it is no longer constantly airborne. And it doesn't simply grant command authority to someone that is expected to push the button without question.

17 posted on 09/22/2009 8:02:57 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: justlurking

LOL, of course, that was why I posted it! NO FIGHTING IN THE WAR ROOM!


18 posted on 09/22/2009 8:04:39 PM PDT by rlmorel (You cannot reap the benefits right now of the planning ahead you didn't do in the past.)
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To: justlurking

Oh wow, Dr. Strangelove was on last night.


19 posted on 09/22/2009 8:12:58 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

All too real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_city

“There are currently 42 publicly-acknowledged closed cities in Russia with a total population of about 1.5 million people. 75% are administered by the Russian Ministry of Defence, with the rest being administered by the Russian Federal Atomic Energy Agency, formerly the Ministry for Atomic Energy (Minatom).[2] Another 15 or so closed cities are believed to exist, but their names and locations have not been publicly disclosed by the Russian government.”

http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/features/the-rebirth-of-russias-closed-cities

“With Russian coffers swollen in recent years with profits from the country’s high-priced natural gas and oil reserves, however, the closed cities have begun to see their federal funding return and their agendas fill with new civilian scientific missions—especially in support of Moscow’s aggressive plans to become a major builder and exporter of nuclear energy-related technologies.”


20 posted on 09/22/2009 8:15:14 PM PDT by Palin Republic (Palin - Bachmann 2012 : Girl Power!)
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To: justlurking
All jokes aside (and they are funny jokes), I gleaned this detail from the article:

"...in 1962, Robert McNamara ordered every nuclear weapon locked with numerical codes. Effect: None. Irritated by the restriction, Strategic Air Command set all the codes to strings of zeros. The Defense Department didn't learn of the subterfuge until 1977."

I find this enormously reassuring. If SAC was able to outmaneuver that Communist useful idiot McNamara, at some point an even greater Communist stooge will be unceremoniously outmaneuvered and removed from Office to prevent any further treason against the United States.
21 posted on 09/22/2009 8:19:22 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama?!?!? ********* YOU LIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ************)
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To: skeptoid

Ahem, MAJOR Kong.

Plan “R” ?!?!?!

Yes sir, “R” for Romeo.


22 posted on 09/22/2009 8:38:22 PM PDT by Moe Tzadik
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To: rlmorel

Much nicer and more effective in the original B/W.


23 posted on 09/22/2009 8:45:04 PM PDT by Moe Tzadik
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To: Palin Republic

15 Area 51’s?


24 posted on 09/22/2009 8:46:05 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: mkjessup

“...in 1962, Robert McNamara ordered every nuclear weapon locked with numerical codes. Effect: None. Irritated by the restriction, Strategic Air Command set all the codes to strings of zeros. The Defense Department didn’t learn of the subterfuge until 1977.”

That’s funny, and somewhat disturbing. But also reassuring.

I remember reading somewhere that the Soviets armed FROG artillery missles with nuclear warheads in the event of a U.S. landing in Cuba in ‘62. Man, that was stupid. Tactical nukes scare me more than the big boys.


25 posted on 09/22/2009 9:06:36 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Revolting cat!

Morther Russia has closed the Doomsday Machine gap.

And Brak Brak is reducing our nuclear arsenal.

It was the Soviet Communists who almost launched a Mutually Assured Destruction nuclear launch back in 1983 all because of faulty equipment on their end.

No Nukes was always about stifling the US. They have been silent on Iran.


26 posted on 09/22/2009 9:35:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: justlurking
The KGB Colonel in this article claims that althought it was kept a secret, it actually calmed down the Soviet leadership -- because they no longer felt they needed to "launch on warning", as long as they thought this system would exact revenge.

September 26th, 1983, the Commies almost DID launch on warning.

And they punished the man who refused the order to launch.

27 posted on 09/22/2009 9:40:38 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Palin Republic
especially in support of Moscow’s aggressive plans to become a major builder and exporter of nuclear energy-related technologies.”

The communist sympathizers in the anti-nuke movement are going to cry. Not.

28 posted on 09/22/2009 9:43:02 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: mkjessup

Someone posted a picture of that rat McNamara and LBJ pointing out their scheming to lose the Vietnam War and compared it to Hussein in Afghanistan.

What sucks in the Islamo-marxist is worse than those two.

All LBJ cared about was lining his pockets. At least he was not VC/jihadist like the islamist is.


29 posted on 09/22/2009 10:06:11 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: justlurking
Какие Bullshit, но смешно....JMHO. Too bad no more SAC command( allegedly) since Clintoon closed it's mighty doors...wonder what zero will do, a boy and his football, a boy and his football.....
30 posted on 09/22/2009 10:17:49 PM PDT by Karliner (Things are more like they are now than they have ever been before. DDE)
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To: justlurking
Old news.....Didn't leaks on this occur just before the Ex-Soviets relocked all their files...To protect klintoon...
31 posted on 09/22/2009 10:34:34 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: justlurking

Its a fact. Dead Hand is a reality. A real “doomsday machine” would be an antimatter bomb big enough to destroy an entire country or continent. The USAF has been working on this for many years.


32 posted on 09/22/2009 11:32:31 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: justlurking

33 posted on 09/22/2009 11:41:37 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: Tublecane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aYPEV7mk0w&feature=related


34 posted on 09/23/2009 12:35:21 AM PDT by mkjessup (The *NEW* 1953 280 mm Atomic Cannon - More BANG for the Buck! (look Ma, no tailfins! lol))
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To: mkjessup

the good old 280 mm “Atomic Annie” Operation Upshot Knothole/Shot Grable. It produced a double fireball. Fantastic weapon. I have the entire history on my I-POD.


35 posted on 09/23/2009 1:04:18 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: mkjessup

An rather interesting feature of the blast was the formation of a precursor, a second shock front ahead of the incident wave. This precursor was formed when the shock wave reflected off the ground.


36 posted on 09/23/2009 1:06:38 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove
The Atomic Annie was an amazing weapon, although I have to say that the
Davy Crockett Atomic Rifle was something to behold:
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"I am firmly convinced that the Davy Crockett Atomic Rifle is a weapon which is certainly protected by the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and requires no more restriction than regulated, fully automatic weapons as defined by the United States Treasury"
- Congressman Samuel Nortolcyc (D) - Illinois, 1963
37 posted on 09/23/2009 4:06:45 AM PDT by mkjessup (The *NEW* 1953 280 mm Atomic Cannon - More BANG for the Buck! (look Ma, no tailfins! lol))
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To: justlurking

Bump for later read


38 posted on 09/23/2009 4:07:34 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Palin Republic

Thanks! I’ll read up on it more.


39 posted on 09/23/2009 5:04:28 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (http://www.muckety.com/7BECFF40501E647D3741343C37265A57.map)
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To: mkjessup

Ok, who’s the wiseguy!!!

I said HE, not Nuke!!!


40 posted on 09/23/2009 5:22:08 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: skeptoid

You know, a guy could have a great time in New Orleans with one of those Air Force bomber crew survival kits!!!


41 posted on 09/23/2009 5:28:30 AM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: a fool in paradise
September 26th, 1983, the Commies almost DID launch on warning.

Yes, and this reportedly went operational in 1985.

42 posted on 09/23/2009 6:06:39 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: Tublecane
Tactical nukes scare me more than the big boys.

To follow the Dr. Strangelove meme: And I got a fair idea of the kind of personal emotions that some of you fella's may be thinking. Heck, I reckon you wouldn't even be human beings if you didn't have some pretty strong personal feelings about nuclear combat.

43 posted on 09/23/2009 8:11:34 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: SunkenCiv
Catastrophe ping
44 posted on 09/23/2009 10:06:19 AM PDT by BBell
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To: justlurking

The article faithfully regurgitates some commie propaganda points. For example, the Russkies said that Star Wars (SDI) would only be useful to defend against a Russian counterstrike after America launched a first strike. WRONG! Our SDI analysts showed how even a modest counter-missile capability would totally disrupt a Russian first strike. We could selectively defend missile bases, subs in port, etc. and insure that a Russian first strike would NOT SUCCEED.

The entire article makes me highly suspicious. Suppose the Russkies fake a terrorist nuke attack on their own soil, launch using Perimeter, and beg Bambi not to retaliate “becuase it was an accident”. What would Bambi do?

I’m not paranoid...I am experienced.


45 posted on 09/23/2009 2:02:29 PM PDT by darth
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To: mkjessup

“’I am firmly convinced that the Davy Crockett Atomic Rifle is a weapon which is certainly protected by the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and requires no more restriction than regulated, fully automatic weapons as defined by the United States Treasury’
- Congressman Samuel Nortolcyc (D) - Illinois, 1963”

Democrats were a little different back then.


46 posted on 09/23/2009 2:50:39 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: mkjessup

It had a very low yield warhead. Even at a low yield setting, the Davy Crokett would produce an almost instantly lethal radiation dosage (in excess of 10,000 rem) within 500 feet.


47 posted on 09/23/2009 5:40:14 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: darth
The entire article makes me highly suspicious. Suppose the Russkies fake a terrorist nuke attack on their own soil, launch using Perimeter, and beg Bambi not to retaliate “becuase it was an accident”. What would Bambi do?

Along those same lines, "what if" the Iranian nutjob launches a missile or two into Mother Russia. It's already being discussed how his missiles might be able to hit Eastern Europe.

Since the Communists' concern was a Western missile attack, the automated return volley would be against the West, not the Middle East.

48 posted on 10/08/2009 2:19:57 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: justlurking
Yo man, whatever it takes to bring on the Zombie Apocalypse, I'm for it...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

49 posted on 10/08/2009 2:47:42 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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