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San Jose council votes to ban most plastic and paper bags beginning in 2011
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 22 September 2009 | Tracy Seipel

Posted on 09/22/2009 10:45:11 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

San Jose council votes to ban most plastic and paper bags beginning in 2011

The San Jose City Council on Tuesday voted to make the city the largest in the nation to ban most plastic and paper shopping bags — and took steps to bring other Santa Clara County cities along with them.

Although the ban approved Tuesday won't take effect until 2011 — and still must go through an environmental impact study that will require the council's final signoff — it's a major new front in the war on plastic bags, which environmentalists say foul waterways, clog landfills and threaten wildlife.

Banding together as a region, top elected officials from Morgan Hill to Palo Alto joined Mayor Chuck Reed on Tuesday in support of San Jose's ordinance, which would ban the distribution of free plastic shopping bags at all retailers.

"I'll step out and take the lead in the South Bay to eliminate the scourge of plastic bags," said Reed, who was also flanked by officials from Milpitas, Campbell and Santa Clara. The mayor has made "green" business the core of his economic development plan. Palo Alto's ban on single-use plastic bags went into effect last week, and San Francisco's ban has been in place since 2007. A ban in Oakland was shelved in the face of a lawsuit that claimed the city failed to adequately study its effects; the plastics industry has aggressively challenged bag bans in court.

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"Legal work needs to be done," Reed told the council. "Many other cities went ahead and got sued because they didn't do it right."

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: econazis; paperbags; plasticbags; sanjose
Pete Constant casted the lone vote against the recommendation.
1 posted on 09/22/2009 10:45:12 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture

So what’s the problem with paper bags?


2 posted on 09/22/2009 10:46:47 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Charging for bags is a good way to get customers to reuse their old ones.


3 posted on 09/22/2009 10:47:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Plastic bags also cause global warming!


4 posted on 09/22/2009 10:47:40 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: martin_fierro

Paper or plastic? Sorry, that question is no longer valid.


5 posted on 09/22/2009 10:47:51 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Because nothing is safer than a pack of bloody chicken legs siting in a cloth sack. These cloth sacks that are all the rage are stupid and do nothing to save on energy and are an excellent way of spreading disease and can become a breeding ground for deadly mold.


6 posted on 09/22/2009 10:48:09 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: All

Okay...All in favor of lobbing off Kali at the state lines and letting it float away into the Pacific?


7 posted on 09/22/2009 10:48:18 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: umgud

Yeah... most of them biodegrade just fine, or can be recycled together with other recyclable paper products.


8 posted on 09/22/2009 10:48:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

I wonder if anyone ever thought of making these “council” member submit to a drug test.


9 posted on 09/22/2009 10:48:40 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I don't remember Americans being called "racists" when we fought against Hillarycare.)
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To: umgud

You have to cut down tress of course. The fact that fabric either comes from plants or man made chemical processes is lost on the loony left.


10 posted on 09/22/2009 10:49:24 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: CounterCounterCulture

What about condoms?


11 posted on 09/22/2009 10:50:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: LukeL

I suppose people could launder these sacks between uses, but who bothers? Yes it is an excellent way of spreading foodborne illness.


12 posted on 09/22/2009 10:50:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Palo Alto's ban on single-use plastic bags went into effect last week...

Seeing as how no plastic bag we get is "single-use" (they are all reused as lunch bags, tote bags, garbage bags, etc.) does that mean we're exempt?

13 posted on 09/22/2009 10:50:51 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: LukeL
"These cloth sacks that are all the rage are stupid and do nothing to save on energy and are an excellent way of spreading disease."

You got it.

Well, I bought a lifetime supply of incandescent bulbs last year, looks like I'll be buying a big supply of plastic bags tomorrow.

14 posted on 09/22/2009 10:51:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: All

I can’t believe that I have to move back to this crap.

I’m so going to miss GA.

*Sigh*


15 posted on 09/22/2009 10:53:29 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The problem with that is these sacks are cheaply made and probably would start falling apart after a couple of times in the spin cycle. Also do you want your groceries smelling like Tide and Downy?


16 posted on 09/22/2009 10:54:55 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: umgud
So what’s the problem with paper bags?

Absolutely nothing at all except they were effectively banned about 20 years ago to save the Earth or whatever.

I remember people complained about Styrofoam Big Mac containers until they switched to wax paper or cardboard.

17 posted on 09/22/2009 10:55:45 PM PDT by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: Central Planning Czar)
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To: LukeL

Tide and Downy? You have to use environmentally friendly soap and beat them against a rock.


18 posted on 09/22/2009 10:56:11 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: GATOR NAVY
I wonder if this included the plastic produce bags as well? What are we suppose to wrap our fruits and vegetables in? I also use those cheap bags to wrap any package of meat I buy so it won't drip blood everywhere.
19 posted on 09/22/2009 10:57:11 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: LukeL

Perhaps people are not supposed to eat meat?/sarc of course


20 posted on 09/22/2009 10:58:29 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: LukeL

Mmmm


21 posted on 09/22/2009 10:59:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Wonder what McDonald's will use if this ban goes in effect? What else is there that is not cost prohibited? Boxes?
22 posted on 09/22/2009 10:59:42 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: LukeL

I particularly enjoy carrying paper bags in the rain /s

Also, living in SF, where I don’t get plastic bags anymore, it should come as no surprise that I now buy plastic bags, with the net result that:

- I have more (wasted) paper bags than I need
- Fewer plastic bags get reused, which means more get made since I buy them and
- I am out more money.


23 posted on 09/22/2009 11:01:23 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

is there a state law in CA requiring paper toilet seat covers be available in all public toilets? just curious as they were on my last visit. the ti/daughter is here from San Jose and she is complaining that we don’t have them in NY.

you guys certainly have your nanny staters in full force out there.


24 posted on 09/22/2009 11:03:12 PM PDT by tioga (Drip, Drip, Drip.......the ACORNS are falling.)
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To: FoxInSocks

Nobody regulated away paper bags to my knowledge. Plastic bags were simply much cheaper and easier.


25 posted on 09/22/2009 11:03:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: Marie2

I could not imagine living in San Francisco, it amazes me how plastic bags are top on their to do list, while there are certain fault zones which are decades or even centuries overdo for the next 7.0+ quake, not to mention terrorism and the terrible state of California’s economy.


26 posted on 09/22/2009 11:04:50 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: CounterCounterCulture

I use my cloth bag and recycled plastic bags as much but sometimes I still need paper bags which I use again for trash.


27 posted on 09/22/2009 11:05:17 PM PDT by FTJM
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To: rawhide

McDonald’s paper is very biodegradable, almost too much so. If you order parfaits or something else very cold that sweats, be careful because the bottom can easily fall out of the damp sack.


28 posted on 09/22/2009 11:06:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Love me, love my cat.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

The city should ban throw-away condoms.


29 posted on 09/22/2009 11:06:07 PM PDT by Tax Government
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To: CounterCounterCulture

But if your buy a CD or even a tiny flash memory card it comes packaged in a pound of plastic.


30 posted on 09/22/2009 11:06:45 PM PDT by GeronL (Are you one of those "individual responsibility" people?)
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To: Tax Government

Not really.


31 posted on 09/22/2009 11:06:46 PM PDT by Tax Government
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Looks like a lot of people will be buying their groceries in another area.

Power hungry despots abound at home and abroad.

32 posted on 09/22/2009 11:07:45 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: Tax Government

The proper term is “single-use” condoms. ;-)


33 posted on 09/22/2009 11:28:59 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: GeronL

Yesterday I had to open up those insanely packaged HP printer multi-cartridge packages. Scissors are mandatory to cut through all that plastic. Medication is far easier to open.


34 posted on 09/22/2009 11:32:05 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: tioga
Ugh, I don't know, but I never cared for those toilet seat covers and all they end up doing is clogging public restroom toilets. Indeed.
35 posted on 09/22/2009 11:35:05 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: LukeL

It is quite surreal here. Yet there are some very good people here, too.


36 posted on 09/22/2009 11:42:24 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Most of the packaging seems to be an anti-theft device. You have seen how tiny those flash cards are?


37 posted on 09/23/2009 12:14:15 AM PDT by GeronL (Are you one of those "individual responsibility" people?)
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To: LukeL
You are spot on! Another problem is where you place the cloth sacks. They will sooner or later sit on something very contaminated. That contamination will be transferred to your refrigerator and your pantry shelves. Soon it will be on your hands and in your dinner plate. This is a situation where you hope that trip through the wash machine and dryer has the ability to disinfect that cloth sack of sickness.
38 posted on 09/23/2009 12:27:30 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Great, freaking enviromentalists are putting more people out of jobs.


39 posted on 09/23/2009 12:38:06 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

The plastic bags are already being recycled. What’s the problem with plastic shopping bags? What about the plastic garbage bags? What about the plastic packaging for such things as refrigerators, computers, and sacks of dog food? Are they going to ban sandwich bags we uses for our lunch?

This is a method to attack the distribution system of food. Next they will attack other parts of the system. Screw them!

What about the miles of shrink wrapping and plastic banding of the millions of pallets of products being transported by trucks to the loading docks of our stores? The distribution system will be attacked by these anti-capitalists as sure as my peanut butter sandwich.


40 posted on 09/23/2009 12:48:16 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: Elyse
The enviros want you to recycle but the also want to ban products that come up thrugh the recycle system.
41 posted on 09/23/2009 12:57:22 AM PDT by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Plastic bags I can see....I guess. But paper bags??? WTH?


42 posted on 09/23/2009 1:13:36 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: umgud

Well, then they should ban newspapers and books. And cardboard boxes of all types.


43 posted on 09/23/2009 2:33:21 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault
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44 posted on 09/23/2009 8:55:28 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

As long as you reverse everything Reagan did.


45 posted on 09/23/2009 9:14:24 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Will it soon be a crime for a citizen to possess a paper bag?


46 posted on 09/24/2009 12:10:18 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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