Posted on 09/23/2009 7:32:52 AM PDT by george76
If Najibullah Zazi had any doubts he was a prime suspect in a terror investigation, authorities say, they were quickly erased by a local imam.
"They came to ask me about your characters," the Queens imam, Ahmad Wais Afzali, told Zazi in a Sept. 11 phone conversation, according to a secret recording. "They asked me about you guys."
The "they" referred to in a recently unsealed criminal complaint were New York Police Department detectives who had considered Afzali a reliable ally. At least one works for a division that operates independently from an FBI-run terrorism task force.
Afzali's alleged tipoff has fueled questions about whether the NYPD, without the FBI's knowledge, inadvertently helped blow the surveillance of Zazi by reaching out to the imam and compromised a bomb plot probe at a sensitive stage.
The complaint also suggests investigators may have tipped off Zazi, a 24-year-old Denver airport shuttle driver, by covertly towing and searching a rental car he was using on a trip to New York City that heightened fears of an attack.
The maneuver, authorities say, produced evidence of bomb-making instructions retrieved from a hard drive on Zazi's laptop.
But it also apparently didn't get by the suspect: In the same conversation with Afzali, Zazi said the car's disappearance convinced him he was being watched.
(Excerpt) Read more at gazette.com ...
they dont have much on these guys do they?
The FBI screwed up 9/11. As the NYPD points out, it’s better to err on the too soon side rather than on the too late side.
Wasn’t it last week the head of the C.I.A. called on the Muslim community...I need your help...and suddenly it’s the NYPD’s fault???? Something fishy’s going on...
>>>> The FBI screwed up 9/11. As the NYPD points out, it’s better to err on the too soon side rather than on the too late side. <<<<<
Exactly. Moussouai’s laptop, which they had in-hand but were “afraid” to examine prior to 9/11.
the feds would rather let them carry out attacks and then go after the surviving terrorists. the feds need ‘proof’ and ‘evidence’ and that usually means people have to die first before a case can be made. wouldn’t want to violate any civil rights!
Sure, but what's that got to do with the fact these moron cops went to a friggin Imam of all people to ask about a suspected terrorist's character? It is a beautiful illustration of just how self destructive our multicultural crap is, and how stupid we are to believe there are good muslims and bad muslims, and we can trust the "good" ones. Go to an imam to inquire about a suspected islamic terrorist's character? Right, that's the way to go.
Don’t worry, they’re checking blonde white women’s bags entering the NYC subway!
these are some of the finest detectives on the planet working under orders from some very high ranking nypd officials.
HE turned out to be a double agent.
Well, now they know the imam’s a traitor/jihadist too. Running this as a law enforcement exercise instead of as a national security issue is a big part of the problem. Imams and mosques seem to be the nexus of the cancer.
Well, thank God for that! They could be...AMISH!
This is really very simple. Islam IS a conspiracy. Learn from 1492. If it is a mosque, close it. If it is a Muslim, expel it. If it is a Koran, burn it.
>>>> I believe a court said they could not open Moussauai’s laptop. <<<<
Yes, that’s why I put the word “afraid” inside quotes, because it was a matter of excessive caution + bureaucratic bungling + legitimate legal reasons.
Oh I am sure one of the rat finks in Congress warned the terrorist after all aren’t the majority of them on their pay roll..They give out all the secret stuff an hate to see their friends get caught..
It also seems the arrested guys are not talking.
Did we change interrogation tactics? In the past these guys talked. What changed? Why aren't they talking?
And nothing has changed since then!
Well, that just makes my point better than I could. The 'finest detectives on the planet', 'under orders from a high ranking nypd official' made a monumental blunder. Trusting a muslim, any muslim, is a deadly venture. For a wonderful example of common sense, now completely lost in America, look to the American roundup of all Japanese after Pearl Harbor. Today this is unheard of, because all common sense has been lost. We now trust our 'moderate enemies' and this trust has been the death of many Americans. I know this, why didn't they? Islam is a bloody cult, and these cultists will almost always place islam ahead of everything else. Will 'the world's finest detectives' have learned from this blunder? I doubt it.
Reads like an FBI floated CYA campaign.
I roll with the NYPD on this one.
Did we change interrogation tactics? In the past these guys talked. What changed? Why aren't they talking?”
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They've been educated about their “civil rights” by their court-appointed liberal lawyers, and are being treated with kid gloves. We couldn't have any “torture”, now that the evil Bush/Cheney regime is gone!
/sarc
We elected one of their own.
they should just keep leaking info indicating that all the Imams are informers, and the problem will take care of itself (we should be hiring the Mob to fight AQ, really!)
how about the fact that this obscure guy from colorado even showed up on the nypd's radar? maybe they thought he was so close to carrying out an attack that they HAD to take a chance and approach the imam.
jeez, how about giving the guys who have helped keep us safe for 8 years a little bit of slack? unless you are privy to every bit of info and are convinced avoidable mistakes were made.
Are you a loon?
Because if you think for one minute that was a shining example of "common sense" you are surely a raving loon.
Go spout your drivel somewhere else...Noob!
TM Ping.
“Reads like an FBI floated CYA campaign.”
“I roll with the NYPD on this one.”
Yep.
When jihadis come to town,
something’s going down.
The CIA and FBI waited until AFTER they blew up the Towers. And they had the perps under surveillance just like now, and just like now, they let them disappear.
This is exactly the sort of response I'd expect to get from a brain washed, new-age, dumbed-down, clueless American quisling. What are quislings? They help the enemy by turning on their own country, (in your case dumping on their own country). Our fathers and grandfathers had more common sense, patriotism, sense of duty and a nose for how to deal with the enemy than all you current, new-age, quisling finks could ever hope to accumulate in a hundred combined lifetimes.
That you'd call me a 'raving loon' for loving my nation as it was, including our founders, fathers and forefathers only serves to deepen my resolve, namely, that our country has turned into a haven for sniveling, craven rats, whose only purpose is to eat what's left of the feast our fathers left for us, rather than to cultivate it for our own children. Sell outs, that's what you creeps are.
But here's the rub. Until everyone, including and especially the police, understand that Islam itself is bloody disease that seeks to destroy America, The West, Christianity, Judaism and all things not of islam, then we are doomed. Government believes that Islam is "a religion of peace", that we can work with "moderate islam", that some imams are 'trustworthy'. Hah. How utterly STUPID can we get?
Can you say "multiculturalsim"?
Can you say "religion of peace"?
Can you say "call to prayer in "Detroit",
can you say "booming mosque construction in the USA"?
Can you say "Muslims can wash their feet in special trophs at Harvard University"?
Can you say "Muslim cab drivers can refuse rides to blind American citizens with dogs"?
Can you say "C.A.I.R."?
Can you say "more than 30,000 new islamofacists enter the U.S. every year from Iraq and Saudi Arabia"?
Can you say "Barak Hussein Obama is the product of an Islamic father and an Islamic tribe"?
Well, can you say these things and not realize that we are destroying ourselves with our own cowardice and stupidity? Can you really believe that our various law enforcement forces can do the job right while reveling in all the above b.s.? Do you really believe that the NYPD isn't all caught up in this PC s#!t when they trusted this sleezebag imam? Because if you do then maybe it's time to stop playing the role of ostrich. The problem with the NYPD in this case is endemic in America from coast to coast.
You are precisely correct.
That is a huge component with regard to difficulties faced in prosecuting these mutts.
it just goes with the territory that Americans sacrifice some safety in the name of liberty.
and i know all about the nypd's mission. i have been an nypd cop for a little over 6 years. yes, it's a lot of politics. too much, in fact. we are losing sight of what it originally meant to be American.
The New York Police Department has removed a senior official from one of its two sometimes competing antiterrorism units, after it played a role in disrupting a sensitive federal terrorism investigation, current and former police officials said on Wednesday. He was replaced by a top official from the other unit.
New York Police Official in Terror Unit Is Removed
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/nyregion/24terror.html?_r=2
What do you mean "if"? Islam has been a dreaded, violent, bloody way of life since the pedophile Mohammed first began spreading his cult with the sword about 1,400 years ago. Why must we wait for individual islamfacists to get caught red handed in violent acts or attempts, when their whole cult is nothing but a breeding ground for chaos and killing? It's like allowing Bubonic plague to spread, and then treating individuals as they get infected. It's insane, my friend.
Wherever islam exists there is violence, unrest and choas. To even call this thing a 'religion' is a travesty. It really scares me, how hard we try accomodate every perverted, twisted way of life today, just to be able to say, "it's the American way". Well it hasn't always been like that, 'tolerating' every form of anti-American, anti-Christian dangerous cult or subculture is a fairly new phenomenon in America. Problem is, younger Americans have been brainwashed with revisionist history and lies. How freedom, democracy and Christianity will ever peacefully co-exist with Islamofacism is beyond me. They want us subjugated or dead, always been that way, period. "Tolerance" is literally killing us.
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