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A Postal Service bailout? (yep)
Politico ^ | DAVID ROGERS

Posted on 09/24/2009 10:19:21 AM PDT by Sir Gawain

Democrats moved Thursday to give special relief to the financially strapped Postal Service, which would be allowed to defer $4 billion in payments due at the end of this month to cover retirement benefits for its employees.

Republicans protested the bailout but made no significant effort to block the provision, which has now been attached to a stop-gap spending bill slated to come before the House and Senate in the next week.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: postal; postoffice; usps

1 posted on 09/24/2009 10:19:22 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain

I’m Okay with that as long as the check gets there 50 years late.


2 posted on 09/24/2009 10:21:05 AM PDT by jpf (Dissent used to be the highest form of patriotism)
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To: Sir Gawain

Get the deadwood off the payroll.

Gewt back into the black.

This was called ‘featherbedding’ on the railroad when I was kid.


3 posted on 09/24/2009 10:26:48 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Sir Gawain

Not a surprise.


4 posted on 09/24/2009 10:27:22 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Sir Gawain

no more


5 posted on 09/24/2009 10:27:28 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Sir Gawain
Republicans protested [insert objectionable proposal here] but made no significant effort to block the provision

Surprise, surprise!
6 posted on 09/24/2009 10:27:56 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Sir Gawain

Experience Scenario:
2 Packages, same dimensions, same price received in Kentucky distribution centers same day/time going to the same address
1 - UPS, 1 - USPS
UPS package arrives less than 48 hours after receipt in UPS distribution center
UPSP package has not been received and is not expected to be delivered until 09/30/2009
My questions:

1. Why would anyone want to use USPS?
2. Why do we want the government running companies and services?
3. And USPS needs a 4 billion dollar bailout?!!

I figure the reason why it is going to take 7 days longer is that USPS is overstaffed and each person has to justify his/her job and “touch” the process thereby delaying delivery.


7 posted on 09/24/2009 10:30:18 AM PDT by fujimoh
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To: Sir Gawain

Every failing department of this miserable federal government just get in line to screw the taxpayer!....


8 posted on 09/24/2009 10:31:17 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Sir Gawain

one of my all time favorite bumper stickers (and an oldie-but-goodie...)

IF YOU LIKE THE POSTAL SERVICE, YOU’LL LOVE NATIONAL HEALTH CARE


9 posted on 09/24/2009 10:32:17 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: fujimoh

Forgot the final step: UPS package arrives squashed and mutilated.

Fedex it next time.


10 posted on 09/24/2009 10:39:34 AM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: Crazieman
Forgot the final step: UPS package arrives squashed and mutilated.

Fedex it next time.


Actually, have not ever received a damaged package from UPS and FedEx takes longer to this location in WV and cost 3 times as much ... I'll stick with UPS.
11 posted on 09/24/2009 10:41:40 AM PDT by fujimoh
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To: Sir Gawain

NO BAILOUT!
Just let it slip away peacefully—no aspirin!


12 posted on 09/24/2009 10:42:36 AM PDT by gunnyg (SUFFER NO FOOLS -Gunny G)
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To: Big Giant Head; muawiyah; Route797

Postal Ping


13 posted on 09/24/2009 10:48:32 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Everyone signing up after Nov 28, 1997 is a newbie.)
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To: fujimoh

Actually, the US Postal Service uses UPS and FedEx for cross country mail shipments.


14 posted on 09/24/2009 10:50:07 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Sir Gawain

we will bankrupt the government and ouselves trying to fund these insane union pensions...


15 posted on 09/24/2009 10:51:08 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Sir Gawain

The $4 billion check’s in the mail...


16 posted on 09/24/2009 11:00:16 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Sir Gawain

I think we should bailout USPS...

I just love having barely-English speaking, rude postal clerks get in my face when I lined up for 40 minutes just to weigh a letter from california to Nevada which got there in 10 days..slower than my mail from California to BC, Canada (7 days).


17 posted on 09/24/2009 11:01:29 AM PDT by max americana (i)
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To: Sir Gawain

No! I had just decided this year even to use email for holiday greetings. Snail mail doesn’t cut it any more.


18 posted on 09/24/2009 11:02:41 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: GSWarrior
Sure it does ~ because, for all intents and purposes FedEx is a freight/express airline and UPS has a very large fleet with plenty of space available.

Both companies use the mail.

19 posted on 09/24/2009 11:04:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: max americana

Could they punish me if I screw my mail box door shut? I will refuse to accept mail; all my bills are paid on line anyway. I mail about two letters per month. I think the country could survive on 3 x per week mail delivery.


20 posted on 09/24/2009 11:04:37 AM PDT by naturalborn
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To: Yaelle

Privatize USPS!


21 posted on 09/24/2009 11:06:33 AM PDT by TexasVoter (No Constituion - No Union!)
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To: naturalborn

I also mail around 3 letters per month (2 to family in Canada) and because I’m a young traditionalist, during Christmas I stick with mailing cards out for the personal touch, so that’s probably the only time I truly give these overpaid hacks my money.


22 posted on 09/24/2009 11:06:52 AM PDT by max americana (i)
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To: 2banana
You are not funding pensions ~ this is a special deal where Congress decided that after OPM made a multi-tens of billions of dollars mistake in OVERCHARGING USPS for future pensions that USPS should pay healthcare costs for future retirees years in advance.

If you think Congress made sense you'll understand this one. If you think Congress (a Dennis Hastert led Congress) was screwed up beyond belief when it did this, then you will be saying "just another bunch of BS trying to cover up mistakes made by their gay friends at OPM".

23 posted on 09/24/2009 11:07:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sir Gawain

The Democrats forced this $4 billion burden on the Post Office as a big fat payout to their union interests, so reversing that isn’t really a bailout, it’s actually removing a government boot from the neck of the post office.


24 posted on 09/24/2009 11:07:56 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Yaelle
...just decided this year even to use email for holiday greetings. Snail mail doesn’t cut it any more.

I concur. Late last January, it really burned me when I got a half-dozen of my Christmas cards back marked "undeliverable" - and the addresses were all 100% correct and perfectly legible.

25 posted on 09/24/2009 11:13:36 AM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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To: Sir Gawain

Bail out newspapers, bail out the Post Office, bail out ...

It’s never ending and our tax liability and dollar inflation will be never ending as well. Time to kick the bums that have enabled this fraud out of their government offices.


26 posted on 09/24/2009 11:16:39 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: jpf

And mangled.


27 posted on 09/24/2009 11:16:41 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Sir Gawain

Holy mother of God, have mercy on us.

Seriously what is next... little kids lemonaid stands?
The Clinton defense fund?
Bail out all girls with tramp stamps?

HOW BOUT BAILING OUT THE MIDDLE CLASS?


28 posted on 09/24/2009 11:46:43 AM PDT by NoObamaFightForConservatives
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To: fujimoh
Experience Scenario: 2 Packages, same dimensions, same price received in Kentucky distribution centers same day/time going to the same address 1 - UPS, 1 - USPS UPS package arrives less than 48 hours after receipt in UPS distribution center
UPSP package has not been received and is not expected to be delivered until 09/30/2009
My questions:

1. Why would anyone want to use USPS?

Because it'll arrive in one piece! Duh. The Post Office doesn't throw first and read "Fragile" stickers later.

In my neck of the woods there's really no difference in time. One thing that PISSES me off as a USPS person is a situation that came up a couple weeks ago:

One guy sends two identically sized large boxes, probably 1'x 3' x 2' roughly. One is sent priority, one is sent Express. Both made it in the same amount of time, but the Express needed a signature before delivery, the Priority didn't. The Priority package is left, the Express is taken back to the Post Office, notice left in mail box.

The Express cost $60-ish to ship, the Priority cost, oh, probably $15. Not sure. This is the kind of stuff that embarasses the USPS.

I figure the reason why it is going to take 7 days longer is that USPS is overstaffed and each person has to justify his/her job and “touch” the process thereby delaying delivery.

You most likely figure wrong. I'd bet it got shove onto the wrong truck and sent for a big ride. Stuff happens. That's not a consistent result of your test.

29 posted on 09/24/2009 12:51:52 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: Sir Gawain

Maybe they shouldn’t keep giving out millions in bonuses.


30 posted on 09/24/2009 12:57:17 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Charles Martel

I received a handmade Christmas card and envelope with a shoe print on the back one year.


31 posted on 09/24/2009 1:00:41 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: max americana

bad use of time. next time weigh it yourself, add one stamp per oz. don’t need to use the postal disservice scale.


32 posted on 09/24/2009 1:12:38 PM PDT by rahbert (When you're hot, you're hot, When you're not, you're not.)
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To: muawiyah

UPS is a trucking company with an airline, FedEx is an airline with a trucking company.

The FedEx fleet of airplanes is quite a bit larger, though the capitalization of FedEx is much smaller than UPS.


33 posted on 09/24/2009 1:29:11 PM PDT by zipper
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To: Crazieman
Fedex it next time.

Be careful, it might wind up like this:

FedEx flunks a mail-delivery test 695 students not pleased their SAT exams were lost

Associated Press Published: Friday, July 16, 1999 12:00 a.m. MDT

TORRANCE, Calif. -- Federal Express is trying to figure out how to compensate 695 high school students after losing their college entrance exams.

But the teenagers say nothing the courier does will compensate them for the time they invested in preparing for the Scholastic Assessment Test."They really leave me no option," Jessica Fleming, a 17-year-old Torrance High School junior, said of having to retake the test. "Everybody has to have the SAT for colleges and stuff. I have to take it."

She and other students from schools in Torrance and neighboring Gardena took the test on June 5. But all the SATs disappeared between the Gardena High School test site and the New Jersey headquarters of the Educational Testing Service, which conducts and scores the tests nationwide.

Jessica's mother, Anita Fleming, said her daughter received mail this week from ETS and mistakenly believed it was her test scores.

"She read the letter, then read the letter again," Anita Fleming said. "She said, 'Mom, there's no score.' "

Carla Boyd, spokeswoman for Federal Express, said a test administrator brought in the package of SATs to a local depot "but that's the last anyone has seen of it."

ETS has scheduled July 24 and Aug. 7 for students to retake the test for free "I was to the point where I thought I was all done and it was taken care of. Now it's just thrown back in my face," Jessica said

There are good and bad employees at UPS, Fedex, and the USPS. There are horror stories and success stories from each. It seems like you only hear about the postal horror stories, but Fedex and UPS aren't perfect either.

34 posted on 09/24/2009 1:30:01 PM PDT by Route797
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To: rahbert

I just throw the extra stamp on and put it in my mailbox with the flag up. The forty odd cents it costs, is not worth the gas to the post office, much less the 20 minutes in line............


35 posted on 09/24/2009 1:30:23 PM PDT by wombtotomb (Equal opportunity does not mean equal OUTCOME!!)
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To: Sir Gawain

Make them cut costs first. In many areas in my town, the carriers take mail to the door. Many of these homes are on half-acre or larger lots. It’s a tremendous misuse of resources having these routes walked. The P.O. should have gone to roadside boxes years ago.


36 posted on 09/24/2009 1:55:49 PM PDT by Palmettomom
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To: Big Giant Head
The one who is sending the Express can ask that no signature is needed and it can be left.
37 posted on 09/24/2009 2:09:11 PM PDT by Ricebug (NKP RTAFB 70/71)
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To: Big Giant Head
This is the kind of stuff that embarasses the USPS.

It should embarrass the guy who spent four times as much as he had to on an Express Mail package in the same zone, and who didn't check the signature waiver box.

Should they delay the Priority Mail delivery just so Express Mail can arrive first?

38 posted on 09/24/2009 2:17:51 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

You guys are correct. But because he did’t waive the signature, I couldn’t leave it.


39 posted on 09/24/2009 2:41:06 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: ridesthemiles
Get the deadwood off the payroll.

I heard that there are rooms at the post offices where there are people who they don't have enough work for go for days, weeks months, years at a time and do nothing to collect their pay. I am friends with someone in the postal service and he says that there are even people in their 20s in those rooms. He says once they get through the first 90 day period, they are on the payroll. The government isn't about to lay anyone off - especially now where they are trying to create more jobs. But, ideally, the post office could shave off a lot of money if they tried. But, it is easier for the government to take the money from us.

40 posted on 11/23/2009 10:37:49 AM PST by Bitsy
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