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White House considers withdrawing from Afghanistan
FOXNews ^ | 09/24/2009 | FOXNews

Posted on 09/24/2009 4:29:33 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

Edited on 09/24/2009 4:37:15 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Just announced by Jennifer Griffith in a live interview, WH has asked Pentagon for a formal assessment of a withdrawal from Afghanistan, that the Afghan War is no longer in our nations interest, blamed the Afghan elections.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; War on Terror
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Since when does he have a problem with voter fraud? That is fricken hillarious.


151 posted on 09/24/2009 5:06:08 PM PDT by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: oldenuff2no
I had the opinion that Obama couldn't do that much damage to our national security in 4 years.

So, did you vote for him?

Your tag would indicate NO

152 posted on 09/24/2009 5:06:13 PM PDT by BARLF
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AQ sees us cutting and running again...what a POS CINC we have!.......Photobucket
153 posted on 09/24/2009 5:06:33 PM PDT by mystery-ak (gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

Nothing on Drudge yet.


154 posted on 09/24/2009 5:07:03 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Just putting this out as a trial balloon is the act of a moron .
What local would even consider aligning with and helping the US troops now ??
The tactical move for the locals now would be to side with the Taliban.
Which will guarantee more US military and coalition deaths.
First the ROEs and now this.
Obama should be in an orange jumpsuit awaiting arraignment on treason charges.
+++++++++++++++++++

GRRRRRRRRRRRRR...what can we say about this if true...I didn’t know how low the moron in the WH could go. ‘aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States.’


155 posted on 09/24/2009 5:07:45 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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To: LucyT

OMG, everyday is getting to be a sad day for America.


156 posted on 09/24/2009 5:08:16 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (I have a Pal in Sarah)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Highest number of deaths per capita from our Canadian allies.


157 posted on 09/24/2009 5:08:19 PM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: stevecmd
Among the many, many unforced errors made by Obama since Jan 20, this has the be the biggest and the worst. And will put him in positive numbers on the next Ras survey..

In the Ras index thingy of plus/minus it will, for a while. But the overall approval will not move much, for a while. When the consequences for such a rash (stupid) move are felt and can perhaps even be measured on the reichter scale for a few concentric miles around the crater, those polls will take a dive.

This is very simple. Gen McChrystal said more troops or I quit. Obama either had to do the right thing or appease his base. He will always appease his base since that is from where his adulation comes. Without that hero worship crap, he cannot even exist for in his mind he has become some sort of hero.

GWB predicted that the weight of the office would alter obama. It did but not in the humbling way that I think W had in mind. Instead, it has turned him into an even crazier person who must be on TV 24/7 and will squash dissent in the way handiest at the moment...which makes him much more dangerous. Clinton at least had an instinct for self preservation politically. obama has nothing like that; he has no since of the middle road or the mindset of independents. He will not fool them twice.

158 posted on 09/24/2009 5:08:27 PM PDT by lovesdogs (9/24/09 - 1102 days left until obama is toast/402 until midterms.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Un-friggen-believable.


159 posted on 09/24/2009 5:08:30 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Bush will never open his mouth... even as our Nation burns... he fiddles.

LLS

160 posted on 09/24/2009 5:08:44 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Fight to win, or get the Hell out.

I guess he's made his decision.

161 posted on 09/24/2009 5:09:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: Michael Barnes

Let ‘em fight and fight to win, or get them the hell out of harm’s way.
________________________________

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


162 posted on 09/24/2009 5:10:01 PM PDT by unkus
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To: 11Bush
They may will have a lot more than that if AQ takes over here and in Pakistan. A lot more.

Yep.

163 posted on 09/24/2009 5:10:13 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Cindy

Aha, I stand corrected. ;-)


164 posted on 09/24/2009 5:11:08 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta
No more wimpy sharks...

.....0bambi jumps the whale...

165 posted on 09/24/2009 5:11:24 PM PDT by spokeshave (Obama can't unjump the shark)
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To: lmr
This was the plan all along. Obama said a few ago that ‘Victory’ wasn’t necessarily the goal in Afghanistan

The Rats used Afghanistan this go around just as they did in the 80's.....as a distraction from their efforts to surrender elsewhere.

Then it was the Central American commies there were looking to assist and used Afghanistan to pretend they weren't soft on Commies.

Now they used Afghanistan during the election to pretend they weren't soft on terrorism while they tried to secure defeat in Iraq.

Now that they no longer need to pretend, they can surrender all day to our enemies.

166 posted on 09/24/2009 5:11:42 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to cry.")
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To: Springman; Velveeta

It may not be true Springman, hold on.
:-)


167 posted on 09/24/2009 5:12:01 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: My Favorite Headache
W. Bush should break his silence on this and start calling out the Kenyan.

Why do you think that? President Bush is the most hated man in this country and abroad. For him to speak out against this so called messiah would cause a you know what storm.

168 posted on 09/24/2009 5:12:12 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

wow. allowing a terrorist homeland is insane


169 posted on 09/24/2009 5:12:38 PM PDT by GeronL (Are you one of those "individual responsibility" people?)
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To: Michael Barnes

I pray for this POS prez to be gone anyway possible as soon as possible. FUBO


170 posted on 09/24/2009 5:12:41 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming and it will be violent)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Obama did say Victory was a bad word.


171 posted on 09/24/2009 5:12:43 PM PDT by MaxMax (Um, Ah, hmm, um, er, ah, achoo, er, um, sneeze, er, BUSH'S FAULT)
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To: fanfan
From www.ft.com:
US reconsiders options in Afghanistan
By Daniel Dombey at the United Nations

Published: September 24 2009 00:03 | Last updated: September 24 2009 00:03

The US said on Wednesday it was rethinking whether to embark on a full-fledged counter-insurgency campaign in Afghanistan, despite calls from top military officials for more troops and President Barack Obama’s past pledges of support.

The White House’s examination of alternative options – such as a scaled-down war effort concentrated on hitting al-Qaeda in Pakistan – comes as the administration grapples with the aftermath of the fraud-stricken Afghan presidential election.

“It may be that counter-insurgency is the ultimate method they can decide to continue to pursue, but there’s going to be discussion about it,” said a Pentagon spokesman on Wednesday, referring to the administration’s deliberations. “I don’t think anybody thinks that’s unreasonable.”

Nevertheless, the debate comes six months after Mr Obama unveiled a wide-ranging strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan and barely a month after he described Afghanistan as a “war of necessity ... fundamental to the defence of our people.”

Just this week a leaked report by Gen Stanley McChrystal, the commander in Afghanistan, called for more resources to help US troops take the initiative in threatened areas. The Pentagon said on Wednesday that Gen McChrystal is expected to make a separate request for thousands more troops to Robert Gates, defence secretary, this week. But Mr Gates is likely to wait before he hands it on to Mr Obama.

Highlighting the consensus among military leaders in favour of reinforcements, Gen David Petraeus, Gen McChrystal’s immediate superior and architect of the “surge” in Iraq, added on Wednesday that he endorsed Gen McChrystal’s assessment of the Afghan war.

The Pentagon spokesman denied that US advocacy of counterinsurgency was “imperilled”, adding that Gen McChrystal was “operating under the assumption that his job is to defeat al-Qaeda and use counter-insurgency to do it.”

But the aftershocks of Afghanistan’s election have left the administration looking at alternatives – including greater efforts to win round Taliban fighters.

Asked on Wednesday about a New York Times report that Joe Biden, US vice-president, was pushing for a smaller effort against extremist safe havens in Pakistan, Susan Rice, US ambassador to the United Nations, said: “All options will be considered,” highlighting the push against al-Qaeda. Mr Biden has worried about an escalating conflict in Afghanistan, a fear increasingly voiced by Democrats in Capitol Hill and the US public.

Expressing the opposite view, Senator John McCain, the former Republican presidential nominee, told CBS it was clear additional troops were needed. “The longer we delay, the more Americans will be at risk because we haven’t implemented a new strategy that will succeed,” he added.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2009.

172 posted on 09/24/2009 5:13:03 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Hey Obama, pulling out is not always a bad thing. If your dad had pulled out of your mom in time we could have avoided the hell of your Presidency.


173 posted on 09/24/2009 5:13:29 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Bureaucratic healthcare is bad medicine.)
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To: Bitter Bierce
Why are you shocked? Has this pos muzzie commie EVER TOLD THE TRUTH?

LLS

174 posted on 09/24/2009 5:13:30 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Dog

“No freaking way......they aren’t that stupid.”

Yes freaking way.... THEY ARE THAT STUPID.

Obama isn’t getting ANYTHING NEAR the Single-Payer, nationalized healthcare he promised the sheeple, he LIED to get the Porkulus passed, he has broken campaign promise after campaign promise, and he STILL isn’t getting any heat from the MSM over it.

Afghanistan is becoming an EMBARRASSMENT to him. And these people could CARE LESS how many will have to die because of it.


175 posted on 09/24/2009 5:14:04 PM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Looks as if Obama was so angered by the health care debacle that he’s decided to put the pedal on the metal turn a hard left at 100 mph and his actions this past week is his revenge against those who don’t agree with him. I suspect Cuba is just around the corner with more extreme antics to come.


176 posted on 09/24/2009 5:14:31 PM PDT by eaglestar
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To: londonfog
Agree with all but the “burning” part. Break out the Agent Orange and do the job right.
177 posted on 09/24/2009 5:15:47 PM PDT by USMA '71 ((Re-elect no one!))
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To: Velveeta
No problem.


178 posted on 09/24/2009 5:15:51 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: unkus
Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball player, the toughest boxer. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans.

Kind of says all it needs to about Democrats and RINO's, anti_American scum along with the voters that put them there.

179 posted on 09/24/2009 5:16:29 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (The synonym decides above the combining remedy.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Shaping up as quite a week for US foreign policy.

Eastern Europe thrown back to the Bear.
Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament on the table.
Afghanistan thrown back to the terrorists.

180 posted on 09/24/2009 5:16:45 PM PDT by AU72
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To: lmr

Anything to get elected by the Sheeple...


181 posted on 09/24/2009 5:17:27 PM PDT by RatsDawg (At least we don't have to worry about riding in Ted Kennedy's car anymore...)
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To: fanfan; LucyT
Obama is considering pulling out of Afghanistan?

Too bad bammies daddy didn't pull out.

Until he changes the ROE, our guys are in for a slaughter, just like Nam.

We pull out though, the Tallywakers take over Pockestun with their nukes, what will India do?

Is this another manufactured crisis that Biden was referring to?

182 posted on 09/24/2009 5:19:36 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Obama's Blackberry, who's on the other end?)
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To: LucyT

Related Vanity Post:

“Just saw on FNC that obama is asking what Afghanistan will look like if we withdraw the troops instead of increasing numbers in response to impending request from General McChrystal!”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2347653/posts


183 posted on 09/24/2009 5:19:42 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: engrpat
This administration clearly cannot handle more than one thing at a time -- and if some "thing" isn't something it cares about (health care, taxes, climate, commie friends), then it's flushed (Israel, Britain, Afghanistan, the economy).

Regime change is needed - before it's too late.

184 posted on 09/24/2009 5:20:00 PM PDT by alancarp (Obama: treat the unborn with AT LEAST as much respect as you do terrorists!!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
We have won the right for most Afghans to have free elections, which they have participated in, and for rights for the downtrodded, and their women.

Now, our enemies will trumpet this betrayal, even the VERY HINT of it as a victory and those who have trusted us will lose trust.

More Americans will die as a result of this...and if he continues with it...hundreds of thousands of Afghans who trusted us will end up dying.

He will have handed Al Quida and the Taliban a victory where there was none.

They are hiding in holes, scared of our UAVs and when they come out, they are defeated every time with large loss of life.

Now they will say they have "won".

Dear God in Heaven, let stalwarts stand against this rash, evil action and prevail.

Some think it is hard to understand Obama's motivation and reasons for doing this. I for one do not. His every action has been to destroy the free market and republican principles of this nation. His every foreign policy move has weakened us.

It is his intent...it is all part of his fundamental change. He is a marxist ideologue and he, his adherants, and his handlers mean to destroy American as we have known it.


OBAMA IS A MARXIST IDEOLOGUE

185 posted on 09/24/2009 5:20:23 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: RonDog
And, from csmonitor.com:
What next in Afghanistan? The five people Obama is asking.
President Obama has said he is reviewing US strategy in Afghanistan. Here are five of the most important people he is listening to – and what they might be telling him.

When he announced his administration’s new strategy for Afghanistan this spring, President Obama added an important asterisk.

“Going forward, we will not blindly stay the course,” he said March 27. “We will review whether we are using the right tools and tactics to make progress towards accomplishing our goals.”

Now, he is making good on that promise.

Mr. Obama has already held one meeting of his top foreign policy and military advisers to discuss the Afghan war, according to news reports. Several more are expected, beginning next week.

What comes out of this high-level review could determine whether tens of thousands more American troops head to Afghanistan or whether America essentially pulls back and focuses on targeted counterterrorism operations against Al Qaeda.

Here is what is known about where the members of the National Security Council might stand.

President Obama

Back in March, Obama said his goal was “to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future.”

He has consistently repeated that goal. But his strategic calculus about how to do that appears to be changing.

b Media reports suggest that Obama has been shaken by the allegations of widespread fraud in Afghanistan’s Aug. 20 presidential elections. The results have sowed doubt about whether President Hamid Karzai is a reliable partner.

Also a factor is the dire battlefield assessment by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who is expected to request as many as 40,000 more troops. At a time when Obama is strained to his political limit by the healthcare debate, the prospect of having to sell an Afghan troop surge is decidedly unpalatable.

The shift in Obama’s outlook was evident Sunday, when Obama told “Meet the Press”: “I’m not interested in just being in Afghanistan for the sake of being in Afghanistan or saving face.”

The comment contrasted strikingly to the tone of an Aug. 17 speech – three days before the Afghan election – when he said that the war in Afghanistan “is fundamental to the defense of our people...”

186 posted on 09/24/2009 5:22:18 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: LucyT

I wonder if Obama cut a deal with Usama?


187 posted on 09/24/2009 5:23:17 PM PDT by azishot
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To: My Favorite Headache; novemberslady; RummyChick
asking networks to clear October 5th for a prime time press conference. Isn’t that when the Supreme Court goes back in session?

Yes, but it is not SCOTUS that is involved in the 10-5 case ... or will they now be dragged in by the DOJ?

novemberslady: October 5th? Isn’t that when a judge hears/decides the motion to dismiss on bambi’s birth certificate?

Yes!

RummyChick: He also did something on another day that was related to that case. I think a live speech. I can’t remember.

It was the September 8th indoctrination speech to our school children.

This link covers 9-8 and 10-5 dates.

188 posted on 09/24/2009 5:24:49 PM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: fanfan

Thanks for the ping fanfan
Disturbing report


189 posted on 09/24/2009 5:25:31 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: RonDog

So he wants to do some M.O.A.Bombing in Pakistan?

Zero really does want to start WW III, doesn’t he?

Thanks for the ping, RonDog.


190 posted on 09/24/2009 5:25:33 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Probably.


191 posted on 09/24/2009 5:26:24 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: kanawa

This is not good news for the Allies of the United States of America.

:-(


192 posted on 09/24/2009 5:27:38 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan

Horrified. I don’t know how to express how horrified I am.


193 posted on 09/24/2009 5:28:11 PM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: fanfan
Is this real? Obama is considering pulling out of Afghanistan?

No, not Obama -- the white house.

For the first time in 8 months they are not using the resident's name, prefaced with a title that does not belong to him. Suddenly it is inanimate object doing the requesting.

194 posted on 09/24/2009 5:28:17 PM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I’m sure there’s a contingency plan for withdrawal, as there is for just about every scenario of world events but this sounds like more than that.


195 posted on 09/24/2009 5:28:21 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I’ve had it with these communist!


196 posted on 09/24/2009 5:29:20 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Obama's Blackberry, who's on the other end?)
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To: kanawa

Quote from The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire says it all:

“The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may often assume the appearance and produce the effects of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy. If (Gothic Invader) Alaric himself had been introduced into the council of Ravenna, he would probably have advised the same measures which were actually pursued by the ministers of Honorius.” [I:XXXI]


197 posted on 09/24/2009 5:30:07 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Just A Nobody

I wonder why? /sarc


198 posted on 09/24/2009 5:30:31 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Bush will never open his mouth... even as our Nation burns... he fiddles.

Why should he? Would you support him then? I doubt it!

Carry on .....

Bush's Fault

199 posted on 09/24/2009 5:31:44 PM PDT by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
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To: Just A Nobody

“asking networks to clear October 5th for a prime time press conference. Isn’t that when the Supreme Court goes back in session?”

It’s probably to announce Ginsberg’s retirement.


200 posted on 09/24/2009 5:32:27 PM PDT by balls (Fight Media Malpractice)
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