Skip to comments.White House considers withdrawing from Afghanistan
Posted on 09/24/2009 4:29:33 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief TourEdited on 09/24/2009 4:37:15 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Just announced by Jennifer Griffith in a live interview, WH has asked Pentagon for a formal assessment of a withdrawal from Afghanistan, that the Afghan War is no longer in our nations interest, blamed the Afghan elections.
Since when does he have a problem with voter fraud? That is fricken hillarious.
So, did you vote for him?
Your tag would indicate NO
Nothing on Drudge yet.
Just putting this out as a trial balloon is the act of a moron .
What local would even consider aligning with and helping the US troops now ??
The tactical move for the locals now would be to side with the Taliban.
Which will guarantee more US military and coalition deaths.
First the ROEs and now this.
Obama should be in an orange jumpsuit awaiting arraignment on treason charges.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRR...what can we say about this if true...I didn’t know how low the moron in the WH could go. ‘aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States.’
OMG, everyday is getting to be a sad day for America.
Highest number of deaths per capita from our Canadian allies.
In the Ras index thingy of plus/minus it will, for a while. But the overall approval will not move much, for a while. When the consequences for such a rash (stupid) move are felt and can perhaps even be measured on the reichter scale for a few concentric miles around the crater, those polls will take a dive.
This is very simple. Gen McChrystal said more troops or I quit. Obama either had to do the right thing or appease his base. He will always appease his base since that is from where his adulation comes. Without that hero worship crap, he cannot even exist for in his mind he has become some sort of hero.
GWB predicted that the weight of the office would alter obama. It did but not in the humbling way that I think W had in mind. Instead, it has turned him into an even crazier person who must be on TV 24/7 and will squash dissent in the way handiest at the moment...which makes him much more dangerous. Clinton at least had an instinct for self preservation politically. obama has nothing like that; he has no since of the middle road or the mindset of independents. He will not fool them twice.
I guess he's made his decision.
Let ‘em fight and fight to win, or get them the hell out of harm’s way.
Aha, I stand corrected. ;-)
.....0bambi jumps the whale...
The Rats used Afghanistan this go around just as they did in the 80's.....as a distraction from their efforts to surrender elsewhere.
Then it was the Central American commies there were looking to assist and used Afghanistan to pretend they weren't soft on Commies.
Now they used Afghanistan during the election to pretend they weren't soft on terrorism while they tried to secure defeat in Iraq.
Now that they no longer need to pretend, they can surrender all day to our enemies.
It may not be true Springman, hold on.
Why do you think that? President Bush is the most hated man in this country and abroad. For him to speak out against this so called messiah would cause a you know what storm.
wow. allowing a terrorist homeland is insane
I pray for this POS prez to be gone anyway possible as soon as possible. FUBO
Obama did say Victory was a bad word.
US reconsiders options in Afghanistan
By Daniel Dombey at the United Nations
Published: September 24 2009 00:03 | Last updated: September 24 2009 00:03The US said on Wednesday it was rethinking whether to embark on a full-fledged counter-insurgency campaign in Afghanistan, despite calls from top military officials for more troops and President Barack Obamas past pledges of support.
The White Houses examination of alternative options such as a scaled-down war effort concentrated on hitting al-Qaeda in Pakistan comes as the administration grapples with the aftermath of the fraud-stricken Afghan presidential election.
It may be that counter-insurgency is the ultimate method they can decide to continue to pursue, but theres going to be discussion about it, said a Pentagon spokesman on Wednesday, referring to the administrations deliberations. I dont think anybody thinks thats unreasonable.
Nevertheless, the debate comes six months after Mr Obama unveiled a wide-ranging strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan and barely a month after he described Afghanistan as a war of necessity ... fundamental to the defence of our people.
Just this week a leaked report by Gen Stanley McChrystal, the commander in Afghanistan, called for more resources to help US troops take the initiative in threatened areas. The Pentagon said on Wednesday that Gen McChrystal is expected to make a separate request for thousands more troops to Robert Gates, defence secretary, this week. But Mr Gates is likely to wait before he hands it on to Mr Obama.
Highlighting the consensus among military leaders in favour of reinforcements, Gen David Petraeus, Gen McChrystals immediate superior and architect of the surge in Iraq, added on Wednesday that he endorsed Gen McChrystals assessment of the Afghan war.
The Pentagon spokesman denied that US advocacy of counterinsurgency was imperilled, adding that Gen McChrystal was operating under the assumption that his job is to defeat al-Qaeda and use counter-insurgency to do it.
But the aftershocks of Afghanistans election have left the administration looking at alternatives including greater efforts to win round Taliban fighters.
Asked on Wednesday about a New York Times report that Joe Biden, US vice-president, was pushing for a smaller effort against extremist safe havens in Pakistan, Susan Rice, US ambassador to the United Nations, said: All options will be considered, highlighting the push against al-Qaeda. Mr Biden has worried about an escalating conflict in Afghanistan, a fear increasingly voiced by Democrats in Capitol Hill and the US public.
Expressing the opposite view, Senator John McCain, the former Republican presidential nominee, told CBS it was clear additional troops were needed. The longer we delay, the more Americans will be at risk because we havent implemented a new strategy that will succeed, he added.
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2009.
Hey Obama, pulling out is not always a bad thing. If your dad had pulled out of your mom in time we could have avoided the hell of your Presidency.
“No freaking way......they aren’t that stupid.”
Yes freaking way.... THEY ARE THAT STUPID.
Obama isn’t getting ANYTHING NEAR the Single-Payer, nationalized healthcare he promised the sheeple, he LIED to get the Porkulus passed, he has broken campaign promise after campaign promise, and he STILL isn’t getting any heat from the MSM over it.
Afghanistan is becoming an EMBARRASSMENT to him. And these people could CARE LESS how many will have to die because of it.
Looks as if Obama was so angered by the health care debacle that he’s decided to put the pedal on the metal turn a hard left at 100 mph and his actions this past week is his revenge against those who don’t agree with him. I suspect Cuba is just around the corner with more extreme antics to come.
Kind of says all it needs to about Democrats and RINO's, anti_American scum along with the voters that put them there.
Eastern Europe thrown back to the Bear.
Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament on the table.
Afghanistan thrown back to the terrorists.
Anything to get elected by the Sheeple...
Too bad bammies daddy didn't pull out.
Until he changes the ROE, our guys are in for a slaughter, just like Nam.
We pull out though, the Tallywakers take over Pockestun with their nukes, what will India do?
Is this another manufactured crisis that Biden was referring to?
Related Vanity Post:
“Just saw on FNC that obama is asking what Afghanistan will look like if we withdraw the troops instead of increasing numbers in response to impending request from General McChrystal!”
Regime change is needed - before it's too late.
Now, our enemies will trumpet this betrayal, even the VERY HINT of it as a victory and those who have trusted us will lose trust.
More Americans will die as a result of this...and if he continues with it...hundreds of thousands of Afghans who trusted us will end up dying.
He will have handed Al Quida and the Taliban a victory where there was none.
They are hiding in holes, scared of our UAVs and when they come out, they are defeated every time with large loss of life.
Now they will say they have "won".
Dear God in Heaven, let stalwarts stand against this rash, evil action and prevail.
Some think it is hard to understand Obama's motivation and reasons for doing this. I for one do not. His every action has been to destroy the free market and republican principles of this nation. His every foreign policy move has weakened us.
It is his intent...it is all part of his fundamental change. He is a marxist ideologue and he, his adherants, and his handlers mean to destroy American as we have known it.
What next in Afghanistan? The five people Obama is asking.
President Obama has said he is reviewing US strategy in Afghanistan. Here are five of the most important people he is listening to and what they might be telling him.
When he announced his administrations new strategy for Afghanistan this spring, President Obama added an important asterisk.
Going forward, we will not blindly stay the course, he said March 27. We will review whether we are using the right tools and tactics to make progress towards accomplishing our goals.
Now, he is making good on that promise.
Mr. Obama has already held one meeting of his top foreign policy and military advisers to discuss the Afghan war, according to news reports. Several more are expected, beginning next week.
What comes out of this high-level review could determine whether tens of thousands more American troops head to Afghanistan or whether America essentially pulls back and focuses on targeted counterterrorism operations against Al Qaeda.
Here is what is known about where the members of the National Security Council might stand.
Back in March, Obama said his goal was to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future.
He has consistently repeated that goal. But his strategic calculus about how to do that appears to be changing.
b Media reports suggest that Obama has been shaken by the allegations of widespread fraud in Afghanistans Aug. 20 presidential elections. The results have sowed doubt about whether President Hamid Karzai is a reliable partner.
Also a factor is the dire battlefield assessment by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who is expected to request as many as 40,000 more troops. At a time when Obama is strained to his political limit by the healthcare debate, the prospect of having to sell an Afghan troop surge is decidedly unpalatable.
The shift in Obamas outlook was evident Sunday, when Obama told Meet the Press: Im not interested in just being in Afghanistan for the sake of being in Afghanistan or saving face.
The comment contrasted strikingly to the tone of an Aug. 17 speech three days before the Afghan election when he said that the war in Afghanistan is fundamental to the defense of our people...
I wonder if Obama cut a deal with Usama?
Yes, but it is not SCOTUS that is involved in the 10-5 case ... or will they now be dragged in by the DOJ?
novemberslady: October 5th? Isnt that when a judge hears/decides the motion to dismiss on bambis birth certificate?
RummyChick: He also did something on another day that was related to that case. I think a live speech. I cant remember.
It was the September 8th indoctrination speech to our school children.
Thanks for the ping fanfan
So he wants to do some M.O.A.Bombing in Pakistan?
Zero really does want to start WW III, doesn’t he?
Thanks for the ping, RonDog.
This is not good news for the Allies of the United States of America.
Horrified. I don’t know how to express how horrified I am.
No, not Obama -- the white house.
For the first time in 8 months they are not using the resident's name, prefaced with a title that does not belong to him. Suddenly it is inanimate object doing the requesting.
I’m sure there’s a contingency plan for withdrawal, as there is for just about every scenario of world events but this sounds like more than that.
I’ve had it with these communist!
Quote from The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire says it all:
“The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may often assume the appearance and produce the effects of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy. If (Gothic Invader) Alaric himself had been introduced into the council of Ravenna, he would probably have advised the same measures which were actually pursued by the ministers of Honorius.” [I:XXXI]
I wonder why? /sarc
Why should he? Would you support him then? I doubt it!
Carry on .....
“asking networks to clear October 5th for a prime time press conference. Isnt that when the Supreme Court goes back in session?”
It’s probably to announce Ginsberg’s retirement.