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JCF Chief: It's Time Women Served On Subs
Military.com ^ | 09/24/2009 | Tom Philpott

Posted on 09/24/2009 4:37:19 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Women should be allowed to serve aboard America's fleet of nuclear submarines, the nation's top military officer, Adm. Michael Mullen, quietly has told the Senate Armed Services Committee.

If the Navy agrees to it, this would be a huge policy change and potentially a significant expansion of career opportunities for female officers and sailors.

Women have been barred by Navy policy from submarines, even as the sea service began 15 years ago to integrate females into other seagoing combat roles including aboard surface warships and in fighter jets.

Mullen, former chief of naval operations and a career surface warfare officer, made his position on submarines known in written responses to questions from the committee to prepare for Mullen's confirmation hearing to serve a second two-year term as chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

"As an advocate for improving the diversity of our force, I believe we should continue to broaden opportunities for women. One policy I would like to see changed is the one barring their service aboard submarines," Mullen told senators.

Opponents of lifting the ban have argued for decades that space is at a premium on submarines. To accommodate privacy needs of females, including separate berthing and "heads" or toilet/shower facilities, would be "prohibitively expensive," Navy has argued. Watch duty, bunk management, extra supplies and incidents of fraternization and harassment would complicate submarine life, according to one study done for the Navy in 1994.

No senator actually raised the female submariner issue with Mullen during his Sept. 15 confirmation hearing. The focus was Afghanistan and Iraq. And Navy officials had no immediate comment on Mullen's position.

(Excerpt) Read more at military.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: departmentofdefense; dod; jcf; jcs; jointchiefofstaff; michaelmullen; military; militarywomen; mullen; pentagon; socialengineering; submarines; usmilitary; usnavy; ussubmarines
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1 posted on 09/24/2009 4:37:20 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

Good Lord....


2 posted on 09/24/2009 4:38:25 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

That was my response


3 posted on 09/24/2009 4:39:02 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

They really should cut this crap out. More social engineering in the military.


4 posted on 09/24/2009 4:39:59 PM PDT by SkipW
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To: sonofstrangelove

I’m at a loss for words.


5 posted on 09/24/2009 4:44:29 PM PDT by DesertConservative
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To: sonofstrangelove

Oh what the heck, let’s give the guys booze too. What an idiotic idea. Can you image the disruptions a woman on a sub full of 19 and 20 something guys would cause. There would be fights, and moral would plummet. Just another seditious ploy to weaken our military. Stupid, stupid, stupid.


6 posted on 09/24/2009 4:44:44 PM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (Liberals will do what they think is best for you, even if it kills you.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Do we have a shortage of men that are volunteering for submarine duty? I’m sure glad my submarining days are over! (USS Scamp SSN-588)


7 posted on 09/24/2009 4:45:53 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Yeah, that'll make things better.
8 posted on 09/24/2009 4:46:41 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You don't have to be ignorant to be a Democrat...but if you are...so what?)
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To: sonofstrangelove
"It's Time Women Served On Subs"

I'm sure that if Senator Kennedy were still alive he would co-sponsor that bill with Senator Dodd. At least until they found out that the plan would be for women to serve aboard submarines, not to serve them as the filling in submarine sandwiches.


9 posted on 09/24/2009 4:48:35 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Absolutely not! The biggest morale bummer ever.


10 posted on 09/24/2009 4:49:10 PM PDT by CaptRon
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11 posted on 09/24/2009 4:49:51 PM PDT by magslinger (Inside every father is a Bryan Mills waiting to get out.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
In exactly what role, morale officer?

That's one happy ship! Of course you'd have about 10,000 men volunteering for each woman.


12 posted on 09/24/2009 4:50:18 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't tell 0bama what comes after a trillion.)
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To: CaptRon
OK who gave Mullen a copy of "Down Periscope"?


13 posted on 09/24/2009 4:51:03 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
the Mile LOW Club???

14 posted on 09/24/2009 4:51:38 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: sonofstrangelove
diversity

A formerly little-used and innocuous word given might by the left wing hijackers of the English language.

15 posted on 09/24/2009 4:51:45 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: sonofstrangelove

What could possibly go wrong?


16 posted on 09/24/2009 4:52:52 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Well, they will need to add a tailor to the ship’s company. Six months at sea, will invariably result in some needed adjustments to the waistlines of some female crew uniforms.

Unless, of course, that said female crewmembers are required to muster every morning with the Pharmicist’s Mate for administration of daily birth control.

Just saying that the sex lamp is never lit while underway will probably not work - even the chief of the boat has some human limitations.


17 posted on 09/24/2009 4:53:05 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: COBOL2Java

Since the subs are away for a long time, will there be room for maternity wards?


18 posted on 09/24/2009 4:53:34 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Isn’t there a lot of seaman on subs? And you don’t have waves under the ocean....


19 posted on 09/24/2009 4:53:51 PM PDT by babygene
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

"Under age 18 the law protects them, after age 65 nature protects them. In between they're fair game."


20 posted on 09/24/2009 4:53:54 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't tell 0bama what comes after a trillion.)
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To: cmj328

Forgot the /s.


21 posted on 09/24/2009 4:53:57 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: TruthBeforeAll

I was a training NCO for a National Guard FA firing battery. No women. I went to a school one time and a guy from Missouri who had a similar job to mine but with an MP company told me that the two biggest problems he had in his unit, I didn’t have either one: women and, errr, “minorities”. Well, he didn’t exactly say “minorities” but you can use your imagination.


22 posted on 09/24/2009 4:54:05 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You don't have to be ignorant to be a Democrat...but if you are...so what?)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Morale gear.


23 posted on 09/24/2009 4:54:31 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: sonofstrangelove
This could make ‘hot racking’ a lot more interesting!

Note: Hot racking is the practice of having 3 sailors share two bunks (racks). It works because one of the 3 is always on duty. It is necessary (at least on older boats) because there are more crew than bunks.

24 posted on 09/24/2009 4:54:34 PM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Women should NOT be on subs as they are usually full of seamen


25 posted on 09/24/2009 4:54:44 PM PDT by clamper1797 (If Obama were a paid Soviet agent he could not do more damage ... Sen Thomas Jordan)
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To: magslinger

They already do Navair. Subs are more than a little different.


26 posted on 09/24/2009 4:55:53 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I'm sure that if Senator Kennedy were still alive he would co-sponsor that bill with Senator Dodd.

Forty years ago, Teddy served briefly in an undersea command off the coast of Martha's Vinyard.

27 posted on 09/24/2009 4:56:12 PM PDT by Castlebar
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To: sonofstrangelove
Operation Petticoat

I say let them have their own sub.


28 posted on 09/24/2009 4:57:45 PM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (Liberals will do what they think is best for you, even if it kills you.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

29 posted on 09/24/2009 4:58:28 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: SkipW

Oh Hell, why not just hire a dozen prostitutes and put them in special quarters on a sub. That would satisfy everyone but NOW.


30 posted on 09/24/2009 4:59:38 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: sonofstrangelove

We all serve on a ladies’ submarine,
Ladies’ submarine,
Ladies’ submarine


31 posted on 09/24/2009 5:00:10 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Operation Petticoat was a great comedy flick. “In confusion there is Profit!” TC and CG had some great lines in that one.
32 posted on 09/24/2009 5:05:19 PM PDT by Shqipo (A whiff of blowback is in the air.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Subs are a tough nut. Morale is very important. I honestly don’t think I’d want to see the male/female dynamic at work in these subs.

Of course career opportunities are every so much more important than military preparedness and national security, so we can look for this in days...


33 posted on 09/24/2009 5:05:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Wearing neck brace in commemoration of Ted Kennedy's contribution to our society.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I agree


34 posted on 09/24/2009 5:07:44 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove
It's Time Women Served On Subs

No it's not.

35 posted on 09/24/2009 5:11:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: sonofstrangelove

Why dont we go to unmanned Subs and staff them with Bunny Rabbits? After each Sub Mission we could feed all of China with the bumper crop of Bunnys coming off the Sub prior to the arrival of the next crew? This idea is Bonkers!


36 posted on 09/24/2009 5:12:40 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

{{{PING}}}

Make a hole! Make it wide! The casserole is done!


37 posted on 09/24/2009 5:12:54 PM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I wonder how that would work? They can barely stuff the food on board for those long trips... how are they going to find space for women washrooms, and sleeping quarters? Some of the beds allow only inches, where boobs won’t fit.


38 posted on 09/24/2009 5:13:46 PM PDT by NotSoModerate (Obama administration: Psycho Justice Crusaders)
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navel gazing buffoon

39 posted on 09/24/2009 5:14:00 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Well, we have love boats on the sea might as well have them underwater.

Pathetic.

They even have naval uniforms for pregnant sailors.


40 posted on 09/24/2009 5:14:41 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Carley
They even have naval uniforms for pregnant sailors

I did not know that
41 posted on 09/24/2009 5:16:10 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one."Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Loose lips sink ships.

Periscope UP!

Fire torpedo Tube One. "Ohhh!"

"She's going down!"

I wonder what Admiral Rickover would've thought of this...?

Cheers!

42 posted on 09/24/2009 5:17:05 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: NotSoModerate
. . . where boobs won’t fit.

I can think of some female candidates who qualify in that respect.

43 posted on 09/24/2009 5:20:20 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes, way too close and cramped for that to work out well. The sub is likely to come back from a cruise with more people than it launched with.

I could see a ladies’ submarine, but not coed.


44 posted on 09/24/2009 5:21:59 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Contour bunks.


45 posted on 09/24/2009 5:23:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Oh you’re on a roll...


46 posted on 09/24/2009 5:23:55 PM PDT by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: farlander
Oh you’re on a roll...

Not me, NOT ME!!!!

Cheers!

47 posted on 09/24/2009 5:25:49 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I can think of some female candidates who qualify in that respect.

LOLOL!!! Imagine the jokes....

48 posted on 09/24/2009 5:26:42 PM PDT by NotSoModerate (Obama administration: Psycho Justice Crusaders)
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To: TruthBeforeAll
There would be fights, and moral would plummet.

Morale, too.

49 posted on 09/24/2009 5:27:36 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

and dont forget morals.....


50 posted on 09/24/2009 5:31:59 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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